Lonewolf,

Take it all into context, only the facts, "Verbal Abuse is Abuse.

This name-calling, hatred and abuse has been going on for well over a year.

As independent administrator of the FRS, PennyLynn, has had two notifications within the past year to sensor and clean the despicable verbal abuse on the Religious FRS forum.

I bowed out of the OPP FRS forum since December 22, 2018.

What we see here is a trend and a pattern by some individuals here on the OPP FRS forum to demagog and dictate their religious and personal bigotry and prejudices to others.

By pontificating, bloviating lies, mis-t***hs and spreading objectionable hatred, with personal bigoted comments and anti-Catholic prejudicial religious deceit on a Christian religious forum.

Is this acceptable... No it isn't.

And nor should you tolerate the evil action by a few rouge religious prejudicial bigots

And the inaction of the FRS forum Protectors and Administration to do nothing.

I thought the OnePoliticalPlaza.com - Forum IDF International Technologies, Inc. were cleaning up the verbal abuse and disingenuous personal actions of others.

Know you know the real rest of the story...
As Paul Harvey, radio pundit and commentator, once said.

Amen, Amen.
I Believe, Let it be, Let it be so. Amen

Doc110

It's time to take some FRS Administrative actions on the FRS Religious forum...!!!

PennyLynn, You have been given enough time to correct the anti-Catholic sentiments injustices on the the Religious FRS forum and need to censor those individuals who verbally abuse others the OnePoliticalPlaza - Forum guidelines.

Clearly these article posts, comments and personal Protestant opinions are objectionable.

Sorry PennyLynn,

"The Mob" is back... Zemirah, Rose42 and others are continuing to "religiously proselytizing their Protestant Faith, criticizing and condemning all other opposing religious faiths and beliefs.

The religious anti-Catholic rhetoric "Hatred Bigotry" and religious Intolerance and prejudice is way out of control, once again... Here on the FRS Religious Forum...

(See the 8 multiple FRS Posts below that need censuring).
Or does Admin and the owners IDF International Technologies, Inc. need to be notified again ?

Or to shut down the FRS Religious forum, altogether.

Amen, Amen.
I Believe, Let it be, Let it be so. Amen


PennyLynn, I'm trying to make a point to you, and to take point against, these ignorant gullible people, who continually post evil salacious prejudicial articles, religious bigoted anti-Catholic opinions, and numerous un-factual comments here on the FRS Religious forum.

I knew that it was just a matter of time, before this was going to happen again.

I told you so...

It's only man's-woman's human nature and to sin and to continue on sining.

"You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. ... "Go in through the narrow gate, because the gate to hell is wide.
Matthew 7:13

Do you see why I didn't want the FRS forum job.

And so tell me where is Rose42 is on this latest anti-Catholic outrage ? Crickets...

Posting anti-Catholic comments and deleting FRS posts ?


How naive and cynical. What an abuse of authority... on rose42's part.

Can she, Rose42, be held accountable as an FRS proctor? is she reliable? is she objectionable ? and or neutral in a decision making process ? Apparently not !!!

How very Sad... and predictable... She has become, and deleting topics on the FRS Forum.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-152265-1.html

We'll see, won't we.


So PennyLynn, let the bigoted religious outrage, and the prejudicial backsliding begin, against my Catholic faith, and other peoples faiths, once again on the FRS Forum.

I should not have to stand for these ignorant insults, against the Catholic Church and my Catholic Faith.

Either it be through ignorance, subliminal or overt actionable words by certain Protestant members.

e.g. Peewee, Zemirah, Rose42, and Balmer in this latest posts. What a bunch of ignoramuses...

"Who founded and owns Washington D.C."
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-149039-1.html

Please remove these anti-Catholic post and comments...

1. An Itemized List of the False Teachings by the Roman Catholic Church
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-145822-1.html

2. The Catholic Church quite simply refuses to allow Christ off the Cross
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-152267-1.html

3. Where is Jesus Christ's Church, Where are the Cults, and Which is Which?
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-144318-1.html

4. Ecumenism Updated in Today's World: Christianity Run Amok
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-149726-1.html

5. Modern Roman Catholic Apologetics and Sola Scriptura
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-146516-1.html

6. The Historical Lying Documents and Forgeries of Roman Catholicism
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-147556-1.html

7. Roman Catholicism - It threw Christianity Out the Window!
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-145430-49.html

You still have not removed Balmer and Rose42 comments on me rape-ing little boys.
Get-er-done-PennyLynn...

It's now been two months plus, of me complaining to you and Radiance3 post.


You should get a better get a handle on these individuals fast, or your pet FRS project may be shut down.

I've stayed away, for a reason, but I'm still observant to see and observe these sly and sneaky nasty individuals backslide with their personal bigotry and religious intolerant prejudices.

The rotten fruit, doesn't fall far away from the tree.


PennyLynn, I was thinking of my response to Balmer, Rose42, Zemirah and Peewee post.

"Who founded and owns Washington D.C.."
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-149039-1.html

But they are not worth it, but for humor's sake, I should posted it to you what I wrote and did not send.

I'm trying not to sin against others, and bear false witness against others which is a Catholic venial sin.

Yes PennyLynn, I'm sarcastic, and pithy, at times in my word usage.

I don't like being around mean spirited evil people, but I am taking the Catholic High Road on this objectionable issue and not posting a crude, rude bodacious Catholic reply.

PennyLynn, If you want to read more about the 1,987 years old the Catholic Christian church you have to read, read, read and understand the very nature of what the Old Testament books and the Fulfillment of the New Testament books and writings, from pope's, theologian and Doctors of the Catholic Church.

The Protestant Bible Alone theory is only a shell, to hide a "Man-Made theology and a Man-Made Protestant tradition which started in 1517 A.D.

All Catholic history, and historical writings have no basis for beliefs, practices and thought.

Thrown-out is Catholic Sacred Oral Traditions, Sacred Church Traditions and the Biblical Cannon from 33 A.D. to the edict of Milan in 313 A.D. when Jesus's Christ emerged Publicly from underground Roman persecution.

In 397 A.D. the Bible was finally codified 73 books in all, and for 1,120 all Christendom all believed in the Greek and Latin Bible.

In 1517 the reformation began, by Luther, Calvin, Zwinlley and other Protestant theologians, and kings such as the King of England, Henry the VII and the Anglican Church of England.

And the 1617 A.D version of the King James version of the Bible minus the Apocryphal 7 books and numerous verses and chapters. Martin Luthers insatiable mental appetite to remove all things Catholic.

These books chapters and verses were to removed and actions were to justify Protestantism Man-Made theology and denigrate the True Church founded by Jesus Christ.

Thus we have the removal of the 7 Sacraments, removal of prayerful Spirituality, disregard of Sacred Church Traditions and ageless historical writings, by the Early Church Fathers, Church Council writings.

And many Protestant removal of the Ancient Church historical writings by countless theologians over the 20 centuries in the Catholic Church.

If it ain't in the Bible their is no acceptance by Protestants.

My suggestion to the Protestant faiths and people who believe in a Man-Made Modernist religious tradition theology.

is to go to this website, The Church Fathers:
https://www.churchfathers.org/the-sacrifice-of-the-mass/

See what the Early Church Fathers, the Church spoke and wrote down from Jesus Christ, to the Apostles from generation to generation to our present Modernistic times.

And only then, can a person of religious Christian Faith look and examen the historical facts as to look at the practicing Catholic faith remains the same as Jesus Christ instituted and taught His Church.


Really,... How disingenuous and Protestant Naive to throw out 1,987 years of Christian History.

Sola Scriptura is a Scape-Goat term for Protestantism.

The removal of Papal encyclicals, and countless writings by the Doctors of the Catholic Church and Lay Catholic writers and theologians.

You can't assume historical factual writings and knowledge or anything, or it makes an ass out of you.

That is what is now occurring on the FRS OPP religious forum unadulterated religious disingenuous Protestant false proselytizing.

And the repeat offenders which I call them the "5 horsemen-horsewomen of the Apocalypse," e.g. Balmer, Rose42, Zemirah, jack sequim wa, TexaCan, Peewee and mwdegutis will not, and haven't stoped.


PennyLynn, The Jewish people never threw out 6,000 years of history in the Bible from creation to the present day, as the Protestant faith has done with Jesus's Church, that he founded in A.D. 33 and 1,466 years of oral and biblical church history.

Add 502 years to the (Luther's) man-made Protestant church creation, and we get 1,987 years of the Catholic Church writing and teaching founded by Jesus Christ, the Apostles and the Early Church Fathers to the present day.

As theologian Cardinal Newman said, "To be Deep in History, is to cease being Protestant.
Anglican Bishop, convert to Catholicism

For Example; How does the Jewish Torah teach 6,000 years of creation from Adam to the Present day ?
With, Facts...
https://creation.com/6000-years

If you want to know more about one-another faith, read, read, read, that's how you stop religious ignorance, personal bigotry and prejudicial intolerance.

Currently I'm reading, the Introduction to the Devout Life, by Saint Francis de Sales, you would be very surprised on Catholic spirituality and getting closer to God the Christian Trinity Father-Son and the Holy Spirit - Yahweh-Elohim
https://www.catholicity.com/devoutlife/

Read the preface by Saint Francis de Sales and see the true depths of prayerful Spirituality of Catholicism.
https://www.catholicity.com/devoutlife/preface.html

Here is also some other writings by St. Thomas Aquinas, Of the Sacramental principal effects, Which is Grace (Six Articles) http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/aquinas/summa/sum514.htm

Summa Theologica, by St. Thomas Aquinas, [1947], at
www.sacred-texts.com


So it's either a warning, or time to kick off certain people off the FRS Forum.

Or is it the "Three strikes" warning method and you're out, suspension, or removal from the FRS Forum ?


Crunch time...

PennyLynn, I would take bold actions, to people that are mean spirited and religiously objectionable people.

I tell you something, My Father served as Colonel in the U.S. Army from a buck Private for 38 years.

Dad was a mentor and had honor that he instilled to the people he commanded and to myself, from cooks to officers.

My Dad said, don't take "compost" from anyone, but be fair.

In my Catholic Christian faith, this is where I have to draw the line on the FRS forum and I question his actions and sayings by following through with actions, by hanging tough, when things get bad.

It's Interesting that I see your Protestant leanings with the New Testament Bible, and on the other hand I also see your Jewish leanings. Sort of a conundrum, don't you think ?

Jewish people are very close to the roots of Judaism and Catholicism, and I want you to know I've read the Pentateuch and the Midrash-Talmud and commentary on the Jewish faith which I respect and honor.

In my life I come to know many jewish friends and families in the Boston area.

So PennyLynn, I hate to say it... It's now time to "Put-Up" or to "Fold," with your FRS administrative card playing hand...

There is no honor or do they have respect with these FRS Protestant people.

They are the "Mob" as Padre-Mike would say.

Sincerely,
Doc110


You Know that Radiance3 is only defending herself from the continual anti-Catholic on-slot and religious denigration from these people.


Just the actual contextual "fact's" it's so easy to look up and verify Protestant Freemasonry, and the Catholic counter to Freemasonry, is "The Knights of Columbus."

And to disprove Balmer, Rose42, Zemirah and Peewee post and salacious ignorant protestant hear-say, anti-Catholic information and religious fake-facts.

All kidding aside, PennyLynn, either censor this bigoted maniacal anti-Catholic hate speech, or there will be consequences.

And how wrong "Who founded and owns Washington D.C.."
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-149039-1.html

These are simple, worldly and knowledgeable factual terms on Protestant Freemasonry, found on the internet, PennyLynn.

"Momma said, stupid is, as stupid does." "Smiles."
Motion Picture, Forrest Gump, 1994, Tom Hanks.

Humanum Genus, Freemasonry is purely Protestant and the Facts Prove it . . .
a. http://www.papalencyclicals.net/leo13/l13human.htm
b. http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18840420_humanum-genus.html
c. https://books.google.com/books?id=Bw8IAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=%22A+good+tree+cannot+produce+bad+fruit,+nor+a+bad+tree+produce+good+fruit.

ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII. ... We have several times already, as occasion served, attacked certain chief points of teaching which showed in a special manner the perverse influence of Masonic opinions. ... “A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor a bad tree produce good fruit.”

Now, the masonic sect produces fruits that are pernicious and of the bitterest savour. Apr 3, 2016
https://forums.catholic.com/t/freemasonry-and-naturalism/419968

Papal ban of Freemasonry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_ban_of_Freemasonry

The Catholic Church first prohibited Catholics from membership in Masonic organizations and other secret societies in 1738.

Since then, at least eleven popes have made pronouncements about the incompatibility of Catholic doctrines and Freemasonry.

From 1738 until 1983, Catholics who publicly associated with, or publicly supported, Masonic organizations were censured with automatic excommunication.

Since 1983, the prohibition on membership exists in a different form.

Although there was some confusion about membership following the 1965 Second Vatican Council (Vatican II), the Church continues to prohibit membership in Freemasonry because it concluded that Masonic principles and rituals are irreconcilable with Catholic doctrines.

The current norm, the 1983 Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith's (CDF) Declaration on Masonic associations, states that "faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion" and membership in Masonic associations is prohibited.

The most recent CDF document about the "incompatibility of Freemasonry with the Catholic faith" was issued in 1985.


So when your wrong, your dead wrong, PennyLynn.

Censor the Article and this anti-Catholic barbaric protestant hatred...

Do something about this ongoing bigoted and religious prejudicial travesty.

I'm very disgusted at these intolerant people, it only took 65 days to name calling and insults once again.

Amen, Amen.
I Believe, Let it be, Let it be so. Amen

Doc110

It's time to take some FRS Administrative actions on the FRS Religious forum...!!!


Sorry PennyLynn,

"The Mob" is back... Zemirah, Rose42 and others are continuing to "religiously proselytizing their Protestant Faith and condemning all other faiths and beliefs.

The religious anti-Catholic rhetoric "Hatred Bigotry" and religiousiIntolerance and prejudice is way out of control, once again... Here on the FRS Religious Forum...

(See the 8 multiple FRS Posts below that need censuring).
Or does Admin and the owners IDF International Technologies, Inc. need to be notified again ?

Or to shut down the FRS Religious forum, altogether.

Amen, Amen.
I Believe, Let it be, Let it be so. Amen


PennyLynn, I'm trying to make a point to you, and to take point against, these ignorant gullible people, who continually post evil salacious prejudicial articles, religious bigoted anti-Catholic opinions, and numerous un-factual comments here on the FRS Religious forum.

I knew that it was just a matter of time, before this was going to happen again.

I told you so...

It's only man's-woman's human nature and to sin and to continue on sining.

"You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. ... "Go in through the narrow gate, because the gate to hell is wide.
Matthew 7:13

Do you see why I didn't want the FRS forum job.

And so tell me where is Rose42 is on this latest anti-Catholic outrage ? Crickets...

Posting anti-Catholic comments and deleting FRS posts ?


How naive and cynical. What an abuse of authority... on rose42's part.

Can she, Rose42, be held accountable as an FRS proctor? is she reliable? is she objectionable ? and or neutral in a decision making process ? Apparently not !!!

How very Sad... and predictable... She has become, and deleting topics on the FRS Forum.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-152265-1.html

We'll see, won't we.


So PennyLynn, let the bigoted religious outrage, and the prejudicial backsliding begin, against my Catholic faith, and other peoples faiths, once again on the FRS Forum.

I should not have to stand for these ignorant insults, against the Catholic Church and my Catholic Faith.

Either it be through ignorance, subliminal or overt actionable words by certain Protestant members.

e.g. Peewee, Zemirah, Rose42, and Balmer in this latest posts. What a bunch of ignoramuses...

"Who founded and owns Washington D.C."
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-149039-1.html

Please remove these anti-Catholic post and comments...

1. An Itemized List of the False Teachings by the Roman Catholic Church
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-145822-1.html

2. The Catholic Church quite simply refuses to allow Christ off the Cross
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-152267-1.html

3. Where is Jesus Christ's Church, Where are the Cults, and Which is Which?
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-144318-1.html

4. Ecumenism Updated in Today's World: Christianity Run Amok
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-149726-1.html

5. Modern Roman Catholic Apologetics and Sola Scriptura
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-146516-1.html

6. The Historical Lying Documents and Forgeries of Roman Catholicism
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-147556-1.html

7. Roman Catholicism - It threw Christianity Out the Window!
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-145430-49.html

You still have not removed Balmer and Rose42 comments on me rape-ing little boys.
Get-er-done-PennyLynn...

It's now been two months plus, of me complaining to you and Radiance3 post.


You should get a better get a handle on these individuals fast, or your pet FRS project may be shut down.

I've stayed away, for a reason, but I'm still observant to see and observe these sly and sneaky nasty individuals backslide with their personal bigotry and religious intolerant prejudices.

The rotten fruit, doesn't fall far away from the tree.


PennyLynn, I was thinking of my response to Balmer, Rose42, Zemirah and Peewee post.

"Who founded and owns Washington D.C.."
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-149039-1.html

But they are not worth it, but for humor's sake, I should posted it to you what I wrote and did not send.

I'm trying not to sin against others, and bear false witness against others which is a Catholic venial sin.

Yes PennyLynn, I'm sarcastic, and pithy, at times in my word usage.

I don't like being around mean spirited evil people, but I am taking the Catholic High Road on this objectionable issue and not posting a crude, rude bodacious Catholic reply.

PennyLynn, If you want to read more about the 1,987 years old the Catholic Christian church you have to read, read, read and understand the very nature of what the Old Testament books and the Fulfillment of the New Testament books and writings, from pope's, theologian and Doctors of the Catholic Church.

The Protestant Bible Alone theory is only a shell, to hide a "Man-Made theology and a Man-Made Protestant tradition which started in 1517 A.D.

All Catholic history, and historical writings have no basis for beliefs, practices and thought.

Thrown-out is Catholic Sacred Oral Traditions, Sacred Church Traditions and the Biblical Cannon from 33 A.D. to the edict of Milan in 313 A.D. when Jesus's Christ emerged Publicly from underground Roman persecution.

In 397 A.D. the Bible was finally codified 73 books in all, and for 1,120 all Christendom all believed in the Greek and Latin Bible.

In 1517 the reformation began, by Luther, Calvin, Zwinlley and other Protestant theologians, and kings such as the King of England, Henry the VII and the Anglican Church of England.

And the 1617 A.D version of the King James version of the Bible minus the Apocryphal 7 books and numerous verses and chapters. Martin Luthers insatiable mental appetite to remove all things Catholic.

These books chapters and verses were to removed and actions were to justify Protestantism Man-Made theology and denigrate the True Church founded by Jesus Christ.

Thus we have the removal of the 7 Sacraments, removal of prayerful Spirituality, disregard of Sacred Church Traditions and ageless historical writings, by the Early Church Fathers, Church Council writings.

And many Protestant removal of the Ancient Church historical writings by countless theologians over the 20 centuries in the Catholic Church.

If it ain't in the Bible their is no acceptance by Protestants.

My suggestion to the Protestant faiths and people who believe in a Man-Made Modernist religious tradition theology.

is to go to this website, The Church Fathers:
https://www.churchfathers.org/the-sacrifice-of-the-mass/

See what the Early Church Fathers, the Church spoke and wrote down from Jesus Christ, to the Apostles from generation to generation to our present Modernistic times.

And only then, can a person of religious Christian Faith look and examen the historical facts as to look at the practicing Catholic faith remains the same as Jesus Christ instituted and taught His Church.


Really,... How disingenuous and Protestant Naive to throw out 1,987 years of Christian History.

Sola Scriptura is a Scape-Goat term for Protestantism.

The removal of Papal encyclicals, and countless writings by the Doctors of the Catholic Church and Lay Catholic writers and theologians.

You can't assume historical factual writings and knowledge or anything, or it makes an ass out of you.

That is what is now occurring on the FRS OPP religious forum unadulterated religious disingenuous Protestant false proselytizing.

And the repeat offenders which I call them the "5 horsemen-horsewomen of the Apocalypse," e.g. Balmer, Rose42, Zemirah, jack sequim wa, TexaCan, Peewee and mwdegutis will not, and haven't stoped.


PennyLynn, The Jewish people never threw out 6,000 years of history in the Bible from creation to the present day, as the Protestant faith has done with Jesus's Church, that he founded in A.D. 33 and 1,466 years of oral and biblical church history.

Add 502 years to the (Luther's) man-made Protestant church creation, and we get 1,987 years of the Catholic Church writing and teaching founded by Jesus Christ, the Apostles and the Early Church Fathers to the present day.

As theologian Cardinal Newman said, "To be Deep in History, is to cease being Protestant.
Anglican Bishop, convert to Catholicism

For Example; How does the Jewish Torah teach 6,000 years of creation from Adam to the Present day ?
With, Facts...
https://creation.com/6000-years

If you want to know more about one-another faith, read, read, read, that's how you stop religious ignorance, personal bigotry and prejudicial intolerance.

Currently I'm reading, the Introduction to the Devout Life, by Saint Francis de Sales, you would be very surprised on Catholic spirituality and getting closer to God the Christian Trinity Father-Son and the Holy Spirit - Yahweh-Elohim
https://www.catholicity.com/devoutlife/

Read the preface by Saint Francis de Sales and see the true depths of prayerful Spirituality of Catholicism.
https://www.catholicity.com/devoutlife/preface.html

Here is also some other writings by St. Thomas Aquinas, Of the Sacramental principal effects, Which is Grace (Six Articles) http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/aquinas/summa/sum514.htm

Summa Theologica, by St. Thomas Aquinas, [1947], at
www.sacred-texts.com


So it's either a warning, or time to kick off certain people off the FRS Forum.

Or is it the "Three strikes" warning method and you're out, suspension, or removal from the FRS Forum ?


Crunch time...

PennyLynn, I would take bold actions, to people that are mean spirited and religiously objectionable people.

I tell you something, My Father served as Colonel in the U.S. Army from a buck Private for 38 years.

Dad was a mentor and had honor that he instilled to the people he commanded and to myself, from cooks to officers.

My Dad said, don't take "compost" from anyone, but be fair.

In my Catholic Christian faith, this is where I have to draw the line on the FRS forum and I question his actions and sayings by following through with actions, by h*****g tough, when things get bad.

It's Interesting that I see your Protestant leanings with the New Testament Bible, and on the other hand I also see your Jewish leanings. Sort of a conundrum, don't you think ?

Jewish people are very close to the roots of Judaism and Catholicism, and I want you to know I've read the Pentateuch and the Midrash-Talmud and commentary on the Jewish faith which I respect and honor.

In my life I come to know many jewish friends and families in the Boston area.

So PennyLynn, I h**e to say it... It's now time to "Put-Up" or to "Fold," with your FRS administrative card playing hand...

There is no honor or do they have respect with these FRS Protestant people.

They are the "Mob" as Padre-Mike would say.

Sincerely,
Doc110


You Know that Radiance3 is only defending herself from the continual anti-Catholic on-slot and religious denigration from these people.


Just the actual contextual "fact's" it's so easy to look up and verify Protestant Freemasonry, and the Catholic counter to Freemasonry, is "The Knights of Columbus."

And to disprove Balmer, Rose42, Zemirah and Peewee post and salacious ignorant protestant hear-say, anti-Catholic information and religious f**e-facts.

All kidding aside, PennyLynn, either censor this bigoted maniacal anti-Catholic h**e speech, or there will be consequences.

And how wrong "Who founded and owns Washington D.C.."
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-149039-1.html

These are simple, worldly and knowledgeable factual terms on Protestant Freemasonry, found on the internet, PennyLynn.

"Momma said, stupid is, as stupid does." "Smiles."
Motion Picture, Forrest Gump, 1994, Tom Hanks.

Humanum Genus, Freemasonry is purely Protestant and the Facts Prove it . . .
a. http://www.papalencyclicals.net/leo13/l13human.htm
b. http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18840420_humanum-genus.html
c. https://books.google.com/books?id=Bw8IAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=%22A+good+tree+cannot+produce+bad+fruit,+nor+a+bad+tree+produce+good+fruit.

ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII. ... We have several times already, as occasion served, attacked certain chief points of teaching which showed in a special manner the perverse influence of Masonic opinions. ... “A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor a bad tree produce good fruit.”

Now, the masonic sect produces fruits that are pernicious and of the bitterest savour. Apr 3, 2016
https://forums.catholic.com/t/freemasonry-and-naturalism/419968

Papal ban of Freemasonry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_ban_of_Freemasonry

The Catholic Church first prohibited Catholics from membership in Masonic organizations and other secret societies in 1738.

Since then, at least eleven popes have made pronouncements about the incompatibility of Catholic doctrines and Freemasonry.

From 1738 until 1983, Catholics who publicly associated with, or publicly supported, Masonic organizations were censured with automatic excommunication.

Since 1983, the prohibition on membership exists in a different form.

Although there was some confusion about membership following the 1965 Second Vatican Council (Vatican II), the Church continues to prohibit membership in Freemasonry because it concluded that Masonic principles and rituals are irreconcilable with Catholic doctrines.

The current norm, the 1983 Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith's (CDF) Declaration on Masonic associations, states that "faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion" and membership in Masonic associations is prohibited.

The most recent CDF document about the "incompatibility of Freemasonry with the Catholic faith" was issued in 1985.


So when your wrong, your dead wrong, PennyLynn.

Censor the Article and this anti-Catholic barbaric protestant hatred...

Do something about this ongoing bigoted and religious prejudicial travesty.

I'm very disgusted at these intolerant people, it only took 65 days to name calling and insults once again.

Amen, Amen.
I Believe, Let it be, Let it be so. Amen

Doc110

The Democrat socialist l*****t, always cower and hide from political reality and constantly push their progressive agenda.

Look at the Governor of Virginia and all the want-a-bees P**********l lying hopefuls, they are all Coward And Liars, whats changed since Andrew Jackson's presidency, the Civil war Hypocrisy to our present day.

Spending, and out of control spending and more and more taxes...

Sicilianthing,

Here is the most important thing. . . to remember.

She Hillary lost two P**********l e******ns. . . . RIP.

And all of Trumps 2017-2019 successes, has trumped Obama's, Clinton's and the Left's democratic swamp agenda, there advancements are for not.

MAGA, Make America Great Again !

Doc110

RT friend,

Hillary was her own worst enemy. . . in both e******n cycles in 08, and 16.

Assange, Wikileaks just helped put the nails in the Clinton's coffin. RIP...

And who do you think hacked the Democratic National Party, and posted it on the Wikileaks website ?

And who do you think hacked Hillary's Campaign Chairman John Podesta and posted it on the Wikileaks website ?

Hillary Clintons campaign was hacked, the FBI never did an investigation, they the DNC hired an outside Democratic IT firm, they never conclusively could still not stick it on the Russians.

1. Hillary Clinton compares Russian interference in 2016 to 9/11 attacks
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-compares-russian-interference-in-2016-to-911-attacks/2018/10/02/6197a226-c674-11e8-9b1c-a90f1daae309_story.html?noredirect=on

2. DNC Seth Rich Murder, Many have speculated that DNC IT staffer Seth Rich, whose murder is still unsolved, was the source of the emails provided to WikiLeaks. New Research Shows Guccifer 2.0 DNC Files Were Copied Locally, Not Hacked
https://disobedientmedia.com/2017/07/new-research-shows-guccifer-2-0-files-were-copied-locally-not-hacked/

And BuzzFeed Suing DNC For Proof They Were Hacked
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-14/buzzfeed-suing-dnc-proof-they-were-hacked

3. Sen.Chuck Grassley Connects Dossier Dots, Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, lobbyist, Adam Waldman and Russian aluminum oligarch Oleg Deripaska.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/26/chuck-grassley-dossier-interview/

4. Why Isn't Mueller Probing Clinton, DNC Collusion With Russia?
www.newsmax.com/politics/pat-buchanan-robert-mueller-investigate-hillary-clinton/2018/02/21/id/844712/

5. Still Lacking Evidence Of Collusion, Democrats Move The Goalposts
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/20/collusion-democrats-move-goalposts/

6. With Indictments of Russians on Facebook, the Groundwork Is in Place to Criminally Charge Hillary
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/16/watch_live_deputy_ag_rod_rosenstein_announcement.html

7. The US-UK Deep State Empire Strikes Back: ‘It’s Russia! Russia! Russia!’
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/02/18/us-uk-deep-state-empire-strikes-back-its-russia-russia-russia.html

8. Obama DOJ Official Actively Hid Fusion GPS Payments
https://conservativetribune.com/doj-official-hid-fusion-payments/

9.Here are the 8 dirtiest scandals of Robert Mueller that no one is talking about. 'He actively participated in the plot'
http://www.wnd.com/2017/08/the-8-dirtiest-scandals-of-robert-mueller-no-one-is-talking-about/

woodguru,

Wh**ever...

Wh**ever...
Tell me something, are you always this ambiguous, in you're reply to a serious article post ?

Is this a setup or something, or "Wh**ever ... ... ...

It must be a possibly non-verbal bleeding brain hemorrhage reply... ? "Wh**ever ... ... ...

Yes, No, or Indifferent ? "Wh**ever ... ... ...

You probably got caught up in the moment... Right !!! "Wh**ever ... ... ...


woodguru,
Could you Respond with facts, Facts, FACTs,
No Supposition's,
No Innuendo's,
No Exaggeration's of your own Personal Emotional Belief's,
No Hypocritical T***h's,
No Empty Rhetoric devoid of Real Factual Substance which is full of Regurgitated Dendrite Compost Opinions...


Your motto, I believe woodguru is,

You Can't argue or debate with a person's religious beliefs,
When you can no longer argue politics they are in fact based on beliefs, not fact.

So obviously, your comment... "Wh**ever..." means exactly that... Right !!! "Wh**ever ... ... ...

Its's a not an argument, nor is it a debate, "Wh**ever ... ... ...
Neither is it a religious belief, "Wh**ever ... ... ...
Nor is it, facts based on belief's, and are not actual facts."Wh**ever ... ... ...
Just a single response word... "Wh**ever..."


So in the future, would you, or should you, please provide a more communicative dingbat reply comment, and do it to someone else, that could care less on what you comment on... Wh**ever...

woodguru,
Just, who do you think I represent; The Right, The Left, The Independent or The Constitutionalist's?

Seriously, try and put a complete sentence together, give an opinion, or just don't comment at all in the future. "Wh**ever ... ... ...

Please don't make me laugh, after I viewed your, 586 article postings, and 6221 comment replies, there is really nothing very remarkable about you, and what I've read. "Wh**ever ... ... ...

It seems to me, you are politically "neutral" and lean "Right" most of the time on most political and social subjects. "Wh**ever ... ... ...


woodguru,

What I posted, a most important topic on the current evils of the Federal Government, in this so-called "Witch-hunt" by Special Council Mueller's FBI probe investigation, which has gone... terribly amuck.

Mueller has spent and wasted millions of taxpayers dollars on President Donald Trump and our Country's time and understanding of the distorted l*****t political machinations facts.

Here is the current present danger and warning...

"Because if you don’t concern yourself, with the Bill of Rights and the Constitution it will be thrown out the door and you will have no freedoms and or national rights."

So what’s to keep the next Robert Mueller from going after you, or someone you like or someone you love?

It’s in everyone’s interest to demand that these proceedings – like all legal proceedings - are conducted according to the Rule of Law, but in Mueller’s hands, they are not.

Ever read George Orwells Book, 1984 ?


So tell me how many FBI "G" men have been fired ? or retired with their tails between their legs...

For 2 years now, the Muller Probe has continued to no avail...

And with Hillary Clinton losing two p**********l e******ns cycles now, and potentially a third time.

The Clintons paid and provided the f**e Trump Russian papers, from a former British spy, paid by the Obama's, Clinton's, and Democratic political operatives, and the compounding of the non-factual continual salacious reporting of L*****t Swamp "F**e-News" Main-stream Left Media.

The Clintons and the Democrats are sore losers...

And the result is that Trump has reversed the 8 years of the l*****t Obama Administration.

It's all Trump, because the Republicans can't step up, and have a Two $Trillion spending Continuing Resolution budget.

Let alone, the so called "Resistance-Snowflakes" e.g. John Q public, the radicalized Democrat i***t's and socialist left minded sycophants on the OPP Political forum.

Oh...

And lets not forget about the malicious criminal FBI Democratic hacks and the Justice Department Democratic hacks trying to bring down the President of the United States, Donald Trump and our American country down to ruin's.

woodguru,
There was NO Russian Collusion. Ever...

All this Special Council investigation is political theatre, all "Smoke and Mirrors", the cesspool politics of the Democratic Left-wing swamp from Washington D.C..


woodguru,
Wh**ever... is a great response, and or a non-response reply.

Keep up the thinking hard work, and keep repeating the same old regurgitated "Dendrite" compost opinions...

The difficult hard words... Wh**ever...

Stand up and take a bow, for everyone... "Wh**ever...

Doc110

02/05/2019 Robert Mueller Is A Coward And A Liar (Part 2)

Raúl Ilargi Meijer
https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2019/02/robert-mueller-is-a-coward-and-a-liar/

Tyler Durden
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-04/ilargi-meijer-robert-mueller-coward-and-liar

And if he doesn’t have to prove what he accuses Assange of, he can accuse anyone of being in touch with Assange and conspiring to enact all sorts of collusion.


It’s a pity that America is so divided into a pro-Trump and anti-Trump side, and never the twain shall meet, because the perversion of the justice system exemplified by the Mueller investigation is very real; It’s rotting from the inside.

This has not about Trump, if anything it’s about the justice system granting someone the right to defend themselves, which is being violated by Robert Mueller on a daily basis.

In early 2017, the DOJ attempted to set up meetings with Assange.
https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2018/07/the-true-meaning-of-collusion/

Who in the process offered evidence that there was no Russian involvement in the files WikiLeaks published in 2016.

Those attempts, when near completion, were halted by Mueller’s very good friend James Comey and Senator Mark Warner (D-Va.).


Warner last week in his capacity as Senate Intelligence Committee Vice Chairman said about the Stone indictment: 

“It is clear from this indictment that those contacts [between Stone and WikiLeaks] happened at least with the full knowledge of, and appear to have been encouraged by, the highest levels of the Trump campaign.” 

No, Mr. Warner, that is sort of the exact point here.
It is not clear. Nor is it true. And you know that, sir.

A year and a half later, in July 2018.

Senator Rand Paul said that if Assange would agree to testify in the US. 

“I think that he should be given immunity from prosecution in exchange for coming to the United States and testifying” Nothing came from that either.

Where was Mueller?


Every single American should be alarmed by this perversion of justice. Nothing to do with what you think of Trump, or of Assange.

The very principles of the system are being perverted, including, but certainly not limited to, its deepest core, that of every individual’s right to defend themselves.

Just so Robert Mueller can continue his already failed investigation into collusion that has shown no such thing, and which wouldn’t have been started 20 months ago if we knew then what we know now.


Get off your Trump collusion hobby-horse, that quest has already died regardless, and start defending the legal system and the Constitution.

Because if you don’t, what’s to keep the next Robert Mueller from going after you, or someone you like or love?

It’s in everyone’s interest to demand that these proceedings – like all legal proceedings- are conducted according to the law, but in Mueller’s hands, they are not.

And that should be a much bigger worry than whether or not you like or dislike a former game-show host.

02/05/2019 Robert Mueller Is A Coward And A Liar

Raúl Ilargi Meijer
https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2019/02/robert-mueller-is-a-coward-and-a-liar/

Tyler Durden
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-04/ilargi-meijer-robert-mueller-coward-and-liar

That statement is going to make me real popular, right?

Any criticism of Robert Mueller for many people equals support for President Trump. But it doesn’t, and Mueller really is a coward and a liar, and it’s not hard to make that case.

It’s even easier than how he makes his cases, because we can actually prove ours.

We also don’t have to pervert the law, but he does.

Robert Mueller is a coward because he again, in his indictment of Roger Stone last week, makes claims against people who can’t defend themselves.

And who moreover have in at least one case, that of Julian Assange, previously and repeatedly denied those claims.

And Robert Mueller’s a liar because many of his claims are evidently not true;

But though he will never be able to prove them, and he knows it, he still makes his ‘case’ based on them.

It’s also public knowledge that Mueller has lied since at least the WMD facade.

On February 11 2003, then FBI director Mueller testified before Congress: 
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4719428/mueller-testifies-iraqs-wmds

“..As Director Tenet has pointed out, Secretary Powell presented evidence last week that Baghdad has failed to disarm its weapons of mass destruction, willfully attempting to evade and deceive the international community.

Our particular concern is that Saddam Hussein may supply terrorists with biological, chemical, or radiological material.”

We know today he was lying, as was Colin Powell (and the entire Bush administration).

Which is also interesting because a number of Mueller’s accusations against various ‘suspects’ are basically just that: someone has lied to Congress and must be punished for it.

This is again the case in Roger Stone’s indictment, which would ring awfully hollow without it.

And we don’t have to know how true that accusation is to realize that it’s being brought by someone who himself lied to Congress, but was never indicted for it.

That is curious no matter how you look at it.

So what would happen if Mueller takes any of his present indictments into a courtroom?

Note: As long as he treats those he indicts the same way he treated Paul Manafort and others, he’ll probably never have to present anything in a court;

Every ‘suspect’ will sign a plea deal because he threatens to destroy them, their freedom, their finances, their families.

But what IF he did, purely hypothetically?

What proof - not allegations - could he present to a judge about Russians hacking US-based servers or computers?

And what evidence of Julian Assange working with Russians, or with the Trump campaign?
He has none.

All there is is US intelligence agencies making claims without providing evidence.

And they are a party to the whole story, they are not mere observers, so no judge worth his/her salt can accept their word on anything just because it’s them saying it.

Even the FBI has to present evidence.

In court, that is.

In the meantime, in the absence of a courtroom, Robert Mueller has been free to accuse people for 20 months now, without proof.

And what those 20 months have shown us culminates in the Roger Stone indictment, which makes clear - once more - that there was no collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign.


Given his legal status, Mueller should be invested with the power to demand he gets the opportunity to talk to Assange.

And in the unlikely event that he’s not provided with that opportunity by his superiors, at the very least he must stop talking about Assange.

Can’t talk TO him, then stop talking ABOUT him.

Sure, he never mentions his name, but that’s just more cowardice.

We all know who Organization 1 is in Mueller’s indictments.

And we all know who spoke for Organization 1 before he was muzzled.

Mueller could for instance travel to the Ecuadorian embassy in London, after negotiating, both with the man himself and with ‘authorities’ from Ecuador, UK and US, to have a meeting with Assange.

Considering his importance as head of an investigation into collusion that might topple a president and start a new cold war with Russia, that should be easy to do.

But Mueller hasn’t talked to Assange. Nor has he indicated that he tried.

Mueller accusing Assange without talking to him should raise suspicions that he is not interested in finding the t***h, but has other goals.

And that shines a dark light on his entire investigation.

Because of the fact itself, but also because Assange is a pivotal person in the entire Russia collusion narrative. 

Mueller can’t make his case without accusing, defaming Assange.

Assange is crucial in the Mueller indictment of 12 Russians issued conveniently three days before the Trump-Putin summit in Helsinki, he’s crucial in the case made against Paul Manafort.

And he’s again crucial in the indictment of Roger Stone.

Without Assange, Mueller’s hands are empty.

ulian is presented as the conduit between Trump and Russia.

No conduit, no connection.

And Assange has always denied the entire thing, all of it.



People who have been accused of, let alone indicted in, a crime, must be given their day in court, says American law, to be able to defend themselves against their accusers.

But Assange is not, which means Robert Mueller is no less than a grave threat to the entire American justice system.

Not Mueller alone, for sure, but he, along with the Attorney General and Deputy AG (and believe it or not, the President), are immediately responsible for the way the justice system is being perverted.

That is very serious business.

As I said above, Mueller first, supposedly accidentally, d**gged Assange into his investigation three days before the July 16 2018 Trump/Putin meeting in Helsinki, when he indicted 12 Russians and ‘1’Organization.

That indictment is here. 
https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

It was arguably the first tangible thing that came out of the investigation, and while it was heralded as gospel by everyone who wants Trump to hang, it was shot so full of holes by others in no time that the term ‘tangible’ perhaps needs to be replaced.

That first indictment was not based on facts, it was based on faith (in US intelligence).

12 Russians who can’t defend themselves were grouped together as Guccifer 2, whose Russian lineage was also shot to smithereens within hours, and then there was Assange.

Last week’s indictment, that of Roger Stone, perhaps - we can’t even be sure - alludes to Stone colluding with either Russians or Assange, but it carries no evidence of any collusion.

As WikiLeaks tweeted: 
“The indictment doesn’t have any reference to Stone talking to Assange, or Assange talking to Stone, or anyone at WikiLeaks telling him anything, whatsoever. 

It’s literally old men reading the news and wishing for things.

The job of a Special Counsel, his/her mandate, is to gather evidence of those crimes she has been tasked with investigating.

That mandate can be wide, but certainly not unlimited.

The job at hand is not to suggest that things MIGHT have happened.

It is not to blindly follow everything US intelligence may or may not claim is true, because all accusations will eventually have to be proven in a courtroom.

And it is not to point fingers at people for things the Special Counsel can’t prove they’ve done.

Or to accuse people who cannot defend themselves against wh**ever it is he or she might say (because then (s)he might say anything).

Mueller has never charged Assange with anything, despite the fact that Julian is all over all of his indictments.

Mueller also refuses to talk to Assange, ostensibly because that way he can continue to accuse him of all manner of unproven ‘crimes’.

(End Part 1)

02/04/2019 Judge Napolitano: Courts Would Block “emergency” Wall Funding.

Trump says 'good chance' he will bypass Congress
https://mobile.wnd.com/2019/02/judge-napolitano-courts-would-block-emergency-wall-funding/

President Trump said last week there’s a “good chance” he will declare a national emergency to obtain (Border-Wall Funding,) but Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has advised against it.

Now Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano predicts courts would block the move anyway.

The problem, Napolitano said Monday on the program “America’s Newsroom,” is that much of the land where the wall would be built is held privately.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/428405-napolitano-predicts-courts-would-reject-trump-emergency-declaration-for-wall

Courts would not allow Trump to use federal funds to acquire private property and build the wall without congressional approval, he argued.

“I think the law is very clear, and I think the president has been advised of it, that if he signs an executive order declaring a national emergency and directing the military to spend money that has not been expressly appropriated for the wall or that has not been expressly appropriated for eminent domain –

Since much of the real estate where they want to build the wall is privately owned –

I think it’s pretty clear that court will stop him from doing that,” Napolitano said.

McConnell, according to the Washington Post, told Trump last week that such action could lead to a resolution of disapproval by Congress, dividing the Republican Party.

Under the National Emergencies Act, Congress has the power to pass a joint resolution to terminate a p**********l declaration.


A Democratic House leadership aide told ABC News in a statement Monday that the president “has failed to convince the American people and Congress that there is a crisis on our Southern border.”

“The House of Representatives will vigorously challenge any declaration that seeks an end run around Congress’s power of the purse.”

Congressional negotiators must reach a legislative solution by Feb. 15 or risk another partial government shutdown.
‘Political win’:

Napolitano acknowledged that declaring an emergency could provide Trump with a political win, fulfilling a major campaign promise.

Nevertheless, it’s almost certain the president ultimately will lose, the former judge said, because the law “is very clear.”

Trump warned in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS’ “Face the Nation” Sunday he could declare a national emergency if Congress doesn’t fund the wall.

“I don’t take anything off the table,” Trump said.


Trump told reporters in the Cabinet Room of the White House last Friday, “I think there’s a good chance we’ll have to” declare an emergency.

Senate Majority Whip John Thune, R-S.D., told reporters last week that he and many of his colleagues are “uncomfortable” with an emergency declaration “for different reasons, some of which are constitutional and separation of powers.”

“We prefer that not be the direction that the administration chooses to go. But the Democrats have to be willing to play ball here if we’re going to get a deal,” he said.

Rep. Roger Marshall, R-Kan., emphasized Sunday on the Fox News Channel he has no doubt that there’s a “crisis” on the border in need of immediate attention.

“I’ve been to the border, and I know a crisis when I see it,” Marshall said.
“We need to build the wall.

That’s the first step in solving the crisis.

Once we secure that border, then we can move on to the many other problems we have that include housing 40,000 people and feeding them every night.”

Special Guests for President Trump’s Second State of the Union Address

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/special-guests-president-trumps-second-state-union-address/

Here are the special guests who will join the President and First Lady at the U.S. Capitol when President Donald J. Trump delivers the second State of the Union Address of his presidency.

This year’s guests come from all different walks of life, and each has an incredible story to tell. No matter their background, each one has something important in common: They represent the very best of America.

Meet the special people who will join the First Lady and President Trump:


Debra Bissell, Heather Armstrong, and Madison Armstrong

Gerald and Sharon David of Reno, Nevada, were tragically murdered in their home in Nevada by an i*****l i*******t in January 2019. The terrible loss has devastated both their community and three generations of their family who will be represented at the State of the Union: the Davids’ daughter Debra, granddaughter Heather, and great-granddaughter Madison.


Matthew Charles

Matthew Charles’s life is a story of redemption. In 1996, he was sentenced to 35 years in prison for selling crack cocaine and other related offenses. While in prison, Matthew found God, completed more than 30 bible studies, became a law clerk, taught GED classes, and mentored fellow inmates. On January 3, 2019, Matthew was the first prisoner released as a result of the First Step Act.


Grace Eline

Everyone who knows Grace would tell you that she has always been special. Wherever she goes, she brightens the room with her kind heart and infectious smile. At an early age, she decided that she wanted to forgo gifts at her birthday parties, and instead ask for charity donations. At 9 years old, Grace was diagnosed with Germinoma, a germ-cell brain tumor, and in May 2018, Grace started cancer treatment. Throughout the rest of the year, Grace stayed positive and strong, making the rounds in the hospital, cheering up other patients, and always having a smile for the many caring medical professionals who treated her. Grace recently finished chemotherapy and today shows no evidence of the disease. She is determined to help other children who are fighting cancer.


Ashley Evans

Ashley Evans has struggled with opioid and substance abuse for much of her life. In 2017, she was pregnant and suffered a relapse. Her recovery began with the birth of her daughter along with the help of Brigid’s Path, a medical care facility in Kettering, Ohio. Ashley has persevered and overcome many obstacles to maintain her sobriety. She is passionate about sharing her story of hope. On February 9, 2019, Ashley will celebrate 1 year and 1 month in recovery and on February 15, 2019, she will be reunited with her daughter full-time.


Elvin Hernandez

Elvin Hernandez is a Special Agent with the Trafficking in Persons Unit of the Department of Homeland Security’s Homeland Security Investigations division. He has more than 18 years of Federal law enforcement experience investigating narcotics, gangs, and human trafficking. During his current 7-year assignment, Elvin has conducted numerous successful international human trafficking investigations involving t***snational organized crime groups.


Roy James

Roy James is the Plant Manager of the Vicksburg Forest Products lumber facility. He had worked at the sawmill for 26 years and become Vice President of Operations when he was told that the facility would close its doors. Thankfully, last year, Vicksburg was designated an Opportunity Zone through provisions in the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. The plant soon reopened and Roy was hired to oversee the entire facility.


Timothy Matson

Timothy Matson joined the Pittsburgh Police Department in 2005 and made the SWAT team in 2016. As a key member of the SWAT team, he would breach the entrance during raids, a very dangerous task. In October 2018, Tim responded to the mass shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue. He suffered multiple gunshot wounds and saved countless lives in that heinous, anti-Semitic attack.


Judah Samet

Judah Samet is a member of the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh. In October 2018, he survived the horrific shooting that k**led 11 members of his community. Judah is also a survivor of the Holocaust. Judah immigrated to Israel after the war and was present for the declaration of the Israeli State in 1948. He served as a paratrooper and radio man in the Israeli Defense Forces and moved to the United States in the 1960s.


Joshua Trump

Joshua Trump is a 6th grade student in Wilmington, Delaware. He appreciates science, art, and history. He also loves animals and hopes to pursue a related career in the future. His hero and best friend is his Uncle Cody, who serves in the United States Air Force. Unfortunately, Joshua has been bullied in school due to his last name. He is thankful to the First Lady and the Trump family for their support.


Tom Wibberley

Tom Wibberley is the father of Navy Seaman Craig Wibberley, a Seaman k**led on the U.S.S. Cole. Craig grew up in Williamsport, Maryland, and enjoyed fly fishing, snow skiing, and working with his father on old Corvettes. He had a passion for computer science and decided to join the Navy to serve his country and pursue an opportunity to further his training in computers. Craig served aboard the U.S.S. Cole with distinction and was accepted to the Navy Information Technician School. His commander planned to recommend him for Officer Candidate School. However, on October 12, 2000, Craig and 16 fellow members of the crew were k**led in a terrorist attack. Craig was only 19. After Craig’s death, a scholarship fund was created that gives out four $1,000 scholarships each year to students studying computer science.


Alice Johnson

President Trump granted Alice Johnson clemency on June 6, 2018. Alice had been serving a mandatory life sentence without parole for charges associated with a nonviolent drug case. During her nearly 22 years of incarceration, Alice accomplished what has been called an “extraordinary rehabilitation.” After her release, she was overjoyed to be reunited with her family. She has now dedicated her life to helping those who are in a similar position as she was and giving a voice to the criminal justice reform movement.

Kazudy

Could you or would provide, any real factual information to the false laughable claims that you provided ?

Kazudy, Could I get any clearer than this, in your statement, as to the fable easter bunny Article Post reply;

Your opinion is a: farce, absurdity, mis-caricature, comedy, joke, mockery, sham, slapstick, travesty, buffoonery, mockery, and ridiculousness.

I guess that say's it all.


My Personal motto, is no conjecture, or inaccurate personal diatribe opinions;

Kazudy, Please respond and provide statements with actual references and historical background in your replies.
a. provide facts, Facts, FACTs,
b. no Supposition's,
c. no Innuendo's,
d. no Exaggeration's of your own Personal Emotional Belief's,
e. no Hypocritical T***h's,
f. no Empty Rhetoric devoid of any Real Factual Substance and
g. no full of Regurgitated Dendrite Compost Opinions.



You failed totally in your response to me and as to the facts in the article Post;
"Here’s a Defense of the Traditional Date for Christmas . . . December 25 . . ."
But what the hey . . . it's ok with your present day modern inaccurate relativism. . . . Hey, "Believe in what ever you want" . . .


Kazudy, The facts are staring you in the face, You have two options;

a. Either you can accept the facts presented or challenge your own moralistic beliefs by doing the actual historical research as Dr. Marshal did.
b. And or, not blindly follow, someone's else's viewpoint or criticism, that you have heard and or have passed on these facts to others.



My answers to your personal objections will be in bold from Dr. Marshals Article will be in Bold


Kazudy


1. Jesus was not born on December 25th.

My suggestion is to re-read the article again;

"Here’s a Defense of the Traditional Date for Christmas . . . December 25" . . .
However, it is (“Commonly alleged”) that our Lord Jesus Christ was not born on December 25.
For the sake of simplicity, let us set out the usual objections to the date of December 25 and counter each of them.

The article presents John the Baptist conception date September the 28, his 40 week gestation period and birth of John the Baptist as June 24.
Do the math, back up three months before, Mary was conceived in March, and a 40 week gestation period, and Jesus Christ was born December 25-25.
Just follow the biblical accounts Apostles narrative and the Early Church fathers writings.



2. He was born in the spring time.

John the Baptist conception date September the 28, his 40 week gestation period and birth of John the Baptist as June 24.

Do the math, back up three months before, Mary was conceived in March, and a 40 week gestation period, and Jesus Christ was born December 25-25.
Just follow the biblical accounts Apostles narrative and the Early Church fathers writings.
Thus your assumption it cant be possible for Jesus to be born in the springtime.
That would mean it took 52 weeks, a year for his birth.



3. It is possible that He was conceived on December 25th.

Your absolutely correct that Jesus was not conceived on December 25th. Or is this a grammatical writing mistake ?

The English monk Bede, argued that even the word Easter derived from a pagan fertility goddess named “Eostre” in English and Germanic cultures.

Scholars have since noted that there is little to no evidence of such a goddess outside of Bede’s writings.

What Are the Real Origins of Easter?
https://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/what-are-the-real-origins-of-easter

If Easter doesn’t come from the Bible, and wasn’t practiced by the apostles and early Church, where did it come from?
The King James Version says Easter once . .


4. The emperor Constantine at the time wanting to unit his subjects merged his pagan religion (he worshiped the sun) with Christendom.

Wow thats a really big illogical stretch of the imagination, which is completely and historically inaccurate . . .

Could you provide any real factual information the false claims that you provided.

a. Emperor Constantine life, February 27, 272 AD, Died: May 22, 337, who ruled between 306 and 337 AD.

b. Constantine should have sought divine help for his claim for power and divine justification for his acquisition of it.
What is remarkable is Constantine’s subsequent development of his new religious allegiance to a strong personal commitment.
Christian clergy should not be distracted by secular offices from their religious duties “…
for when they are free to render supreme service to the Divinity, it is evident that they confer great benefit upon the affairs of state.”
Emperor Constantine was a political opportunist.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Constantine-I-Roman-emperor

c. Constantine stated in his opinion that the dispute was fostered only by excessive leisure and academic contention, that the point at issue was trivial and could be resolved without difficulty. His optimism was not justified: Indeed, for more than 40 years after the death of Constantine, Arianism was actually the official orthodoxy of the Eastern Empire. Despite
what the letter nor the Council of Nicaea said. As a child he worshiped the sun gods.
Earlier I said Emperor Constantine was a political opportunist. He didn't mean these political comments or did he act Christian in name only . . . He became a Christian at his death.
d. He was eventually baptized in 337 by the bishop Eusebius of Nicomedia, in that city. Constantine died soon after at a suburban villa called Achyron.



5. He chose Dec.25 because that's when he celebrated his god Sol Invicus or Mirthas.

Reply to Objection 2:

Let us examine first the cult of the Unconquered Sun.
The Emperor Aurelian introduced the cult of the Sol Invictus or Unconquered Sunto Rome in A.D. 274.
Aurelian found political traction with this cult, because his own name Aurelian derives from the Latin word aurora denoting “sunrise.”
Coins reveal that Emperor Aurelian called himself the Pontifex Solis or Pontiff of the Sun.
Thus, Aurelian simply accommodated a generic solar cult and identified his name with it at the end of the third century.
Most importantly, there is no historical record for a celebration Natalis Sol Invictus on December 25 prior to A.D. 354.
Within an illuminated manuscript for the year A.D. 354, there is an entry for December 25 reading “N INVICTI CM XXX.”
Here N means “nativity.” INVICTI means “of the Unconquered.”
CM signifies “circenses missus” or “games ordered.”
The Roman numeral XXX equals thirty.
Thus, the inscription means that thirty games were order for the nativity of the Unconquered for December 25th.
Note that the word “sun” is not present.
Moreover, the very same codex also lists “natus Christus in Betleem Iudeae” for the day of December 25.

Yet this was less an expression of religious megalomania than of Constantine’s literal conviction that he was the successor of the evangelists, having dev**ed his life and office to the spreading of Christianity.

Constantine was totally ruthless toward his political enemies, while his legislation, apart from its concessions to Christianity, is notable mainly for a brutality that became characteristic of late Roman enforcement of law.
Constantine could expect little popularity, was his institution of a new tax, the collatio lustralis.
It was levied every five years upon trade and business and seems to have become genuinely oppressive.
Constantine's generosity was only made possible by his l**ting of the treasures of the pagan temples as well as by his confiscations and new taxes;
I'd say Emperor Constantine was a political and social opportunist. Follow the money trail.



6. Thus Christmas, then Easter was Constatine's god of fertility that he merged with Jesus Resurrection.

Easter is about the pagan celebration of the Vernal Equinox (Ostara) The Germanic goddess Ēostre or Ostara (Old English: Ēastre, West Saxon dialect (Old English) Ēostre;

A goddess associated with spring and not fertility. Venus of Willendorf is the ancient goddess of fertility. Christmas festivals were celebrated around the winter solstice by pagan populations.

Christians today owe a tremendous debt to the Roman emperor Constantine.
The three most important things the church owed to Constantine were a roadmap for reuniting communities split by persecution, a universal definition of the Church’s teaching, and He a fixed date for the celebration of Easter.

a. He changed the place of the Church in the Roman World, moving it through his own conversion from the persecuted fringe of the empire’s religious landscape to the center of the empire’s system of belief.
b. He also tackled huge problems with the way Christians understood in their community.
The three most important things the church owed to Constantine were a roadmap for reuniting communities split by persecution, a universal definition of the Church’s teaching, and c. He a fixed date for the celebration of Easter.

His solutions to the second and third issues remain in place to this day. Whether it was accurate is the present day accuracy problem.

The Easter question had been festering for centuries,
And the problems were inextricably tied up with the fact that no one recorded the actual day of the Crucifixion.
All that people could know on the basis of Christian Scripture was that the crucifixion was linked to the celebration of Passover, which meant that it should come at some point in the spring. But when?
Since the date of Passover, then as now, is celebrated in accordance with the Jewish calendar, the correlation with the Julian calendar used by Christians according to the Jewish calendar and the letter of the Council of Nicaea.



7. That's why the hiding of eggs on Easter.

In many cultures around the world, the egg is a symbol of new life, fertility and rebirth.

For thousands of years, Iranians and others have decorated eggs on Nowruz, the Iranian New Year that falls on the spring equinox.
Some claim that the Easter egg has pagan roots.
Brightly decorated eggs, Easter egg rolling and Easter egg hunts have ... Bede argued that even the word Easter derived from a pagan fertility ...

Easter, also called Pascha (Greek, Latin) or Resurrection Sunday,
It is a festival and holiday celebrating the resurrection of Jesus from the dead, described in the New Testament as having occurred on the third day of his burial after his crucifixion by the Romans at Calvary c. 30 AD.

For Christians, the Easter egg is symbolic of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The egg is seen by followers of Christianity as a symbol of resurrection: while being dormant it contains a new life sealed within it.
An egg hunt involves hiding eggs outside for children to run around and find on Easter morning. ...
Eggs are rolled as a symbolic re-enactment of the rolling away of the stone from Christ's tomb.

According to some sources, the Easter bunny first arrived in America in the 1700s with German immigrants who settled in Pennsylvania and t***sported their tradition of an egg-laying hare called “Osterhase” or “Oschter Haws.”
Their children made nests in which this creature could lay its colored eggs.
In the Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Churches, Easter eggs are dyed red to represent the blood of Christ, with further symbolism being found in the hard shell of the egg symbolizing the sealed Tomb of Christ — the cracking of which symbolized his resurrection from the dead.



8. He also changed the Sabboth to SUNday.

Sunday was another work day in the Roman Empire.

On March 7, 321, however, Roman Emperor Constantine I issued a civil decree making Sunday a day of rest from labor, stating: All judges and city people and the craftsmen shall rest upon the venerable day of the sun.

Origins of Sunday worship. ...
In the 2nd century the church of Rome lacked jurisdictional authority to impose a novel universal change of Sabbath rest from the seventh day to the first, or to obtain universal Sunday worship had it been introduced after the Christian church had spread throughout the known world.
In Eastern Christianity, the Sabbath is considered still to be on Saturday, the seventh day, in remembrance of the Hebrew Sabbath.
In Catholicism and most sects of Protestantism, the "Lord's Day" (Greek Κυριακή) is considered to be on Sunday, the first day (and "eighth day").

The Sabbath therefore coincides with what the Gregorian calendar identifies as Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.
Similarly, the first day of the week ("Sunday") coincides with Gregorian Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset.
The Sabbath continued to be observed on the seventh day in the early Christian church.

Sunday is a day of rest in most Western countries, as a part of the weekend and weeknight.
For most observant Christians, Sunday is observed as a day of worship and rest, holding it as the Lord's Day and the day of Christ's resurrection.
Old English was the language of the Anglo-Saxons. In Germanic mythology the sun is personified as a goddess variously named Sunna or Sól (Sun in Old Norse).
The name of the day is also related to the Latin name dies Martis, "Day of Mars".

The name "Sunday",
The day of the Sun, is derived from Hellenistic astrology, where the seven planets, known in English as Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, the Sun, Venus, Mercury and the Moon, each had an hour of the day assigned to them, and the planet which was regent during the first hour of any day of the week gave its name
In some Muslim countries and Israel, Sunday is the first work day of the week.

And this is reflected in the Old English name for Sunday, Sunnandæg, meaning "day of the sun."
The Lord's Day in Christianity is generally Sunday, the principal day of communal worship.
It is observed by most Christians as the weekly memorial of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is said in the canonical Gospels to have been witnessed alive from the dead early on the first day of the week.


The Lord of the Sabbath,

Is an expression describing Jesus which appears in all three Synoptic Gospels,
Matthew 12:1-8, Mark 2:23-28 and Luke 6:1-5.

These sections each relate an encounter between Jesus, his Apostles and the Pharisees, the first of the four "Sabbath controversies".
Quakers traditionally referred to Sunday as "First Day" eschewing the pagan origin of the English name, while referring to Saturday as the "Seventh day".
The Russian word for Sunday is "Voskresenie," meaning "Resurrection day."
The Greek word for Sunday is "Kyriake" (the "Lord's Day").


We have not been willing or able to change things back.

Don't panic people, as long as you accept and confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you're good.

Pennylynn,

Lets look at your two personal attacks on me, publicly.

You and only you chose to cast the first stone, you attached and attacked, first publicly in your two replies.

I don't like bullies, that can't speak openly and honestly . . .

Are we clear on this fact, or do you want to play the salaciousness game further.

Stop it Pennylyn,
I'm tired of this the deceit, or is this your attempt to make me and force me to leave the OPP forum.

Which appears to be the case of sour grapes . . .

Doc110

Pennylynn,


My safe-room,
Is not to have further discussions with particular people who you defend and support.

I didn't cast the first stone, . . . so get your facts correct here and stop denying and deflecting the t***h.

With your particular personal biasses that many have posed as a severe inability, to listen to one another's viewpoints.

And then taking on the (sensationalism,) by allowing others to attacking another belief, and then doing nothing for six months.


Pennylynn, Those are the facts, if you haven't received my Private Message already.

So stew on those facts, . . .
You didn't change your opinion of me three years ago plus, . . .

When I probably predicted this outcome with you and your inability to handle the present situation and salacious public responses to me.

Just look at your response to me in your two replies in this thread which you can't distinguish from facts or fiction.


Then and your present day FRS forum debacle. What would your papa say now to the present day facts presented ?

It's all your doing, take responsibility, ownership and blame . . . It's all yours . . .

I don't play games, and am not your games, my personal suggestion is stop it, . . . and grow up and not being a self-centered person.

It's only a suggestion because, I h**e to be balamed in other people's dirty laundry.


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"Internetting Trolls :
a. Sea-Lioning Troll's, Self-Appointed "Good Cop"
b. Concern Troll's, Pseudo-Displays of "Constructive Criticism"
c. Gish Galloping Troll's, Falsehoods nitpicking arguments unrelated details
d. Impersonation Troll's, create h**x impersonation accounts in your name
e. Dog-Piling Troll's, Online silencing, Cyber Mob to discredit a target
g. Gas-Lighting Troll's, Giving false information to cause self-doubt.



Pennylynn, moving onto the article at hand. "Here’s a Defense of the Traditional Date for Christmas . . . December 25."

Don't you find this article even remotely intriguing ?

The article is word for word, by Dr. Taylor Marshall.

My reply is a mostly a cut and paste response. ? to make it more simplistic, I still don't understand your rational argument opinion?

Pennylynn,
Question you read it mostly ? Please stop being disingenuous.

Concentration on the article issues ? Or do you have an inability to reply, because of your education and religious theology ?


Nobody is trying lecturing anybody here Pennylynn.

Here is a question, or do you just have a pre-disposition of anti-Catholic biasses ?

In your inability to his approach or to react or respond to Dr. Marshalls article ?

Pennylynn,
I just have a differences of perspective and take on Religion, history, people and their personal motives.

Which are the Facts, T***h and Wisdom . . . to accept facts and knowledge.


My Papa was my mentor,
He raised 14 children, he lost both his parents at a young age of five before the depression era.

He rose through the enlisted ranks in War World II, and was decorated with the Bronze Star and numerous Army citation's.

He became an officer the top in his class of 100 in Massachusetts Boston Latin, and had a 38 year military service, retiring as a General in the US Army and Massachusetts Army National guard.

I took care of both of my Parents before their deaths and had many detailed conversations with them.

Yeah Pennylynn,
My Father taught me that you can do anything, in your mind, body, soul and with the blessings of Jesus Christ, the Father and the Holy Spirit.


The only limiting factor my Father-Dad taught me, is the people that respond with the word, . . . "NO in a discussion or conversation."


Reflect on that . . .
And reflect on the Bible narratives and the simplistic question, human conception date?

And the human gestation period? And the ability just do the simple math . . . found in the Bible

God the Father and the Holy Spirit is the cause of this beautiful wonderful miraculous event and of birth of the absolute greatest person alive, Jesus Christ.

A man and a God that changed world history, Theology, and Philosophy of people, and our faithfulness to his words and instructions to His church for 1,987 years.

"To be deep in history, is to cease being Protestant, and quite possibly Judaism."
Cardinal John Henry Newman, Anglican 19th century theologian convert to Catholicism.


Pennylynn,
All that is presented is a biblical timeline? And a human timeline? Conception time-line and birth a 40 week gestation period.

And deducing accurately by using that to predict the Birth of Jesus, which is found in the Bible New Testament.


Imagine that,
Where Theologians, Philosophers, Historians to this present day.

So for 1,987 years these Educated-Thinkers could not even fathom this simplistic article. Defense of the Traditional Date for Christmas . . . December 25


And you say this is too complicated for anyone to understand.

What a sham what a false reply . . .


I have a human Health Biology Medical degree;
With 20 years worth history in the medical field, a degree in telecommunications and in Motion Film Production field and a 15 years work history, and a degree in Occupational Safety and Industrial Hygiene work related 5 years history.

Among countless jobs that I've worked in, so please don't give me that Education malarkey, . . . and blowing your holy smoke education attitude.

Pennylynn
So you think your superior in knowledge and with university degrees, than the rest of us less common folk.

How nice, . . . and isn't that special how superior you are . . .

Pennylynn,
Please stop limiting others, for the capacity to learn and to enjoy Life, and their Christian knowledge and understanding.


If I must say, . . .
I have a 50 year personal degree, in reading the Bible, Christian manuscripts literature, and world-wide historical accounts of world history.

I have a numinous collection of books on history, and have read Will Durant's books Story of Civilization.

And especially enjoy the volume "Christ and Cesar," and commentary.


Here are some of Will Durant's quotation's on education and life; They are fascinating . . . . and is very insightful about the arrogance and hubris of some people.

a. Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.
b. Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice.
c. One of the lessons of history is that nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say.
d. Inquiry is fatal to certainty.
e. Education is the t***smission of civilization.
f. History is mostly guessing; the rest is prejudice.
g. Every science begins as philosophy and ends as art.
h. The trouble with most people is that they think with their hopes or fears or wishes rather than with their minds.
I. The family is the nucleus of civilization.
J. It may be true that you can't fool all the people all the time, but you can fool enough of them to rule a large country.


Pennylynn,
Take your pick to your opposition's to Dr. Taylor Marshal, "Here’s a Defense of the Traditional Date for Christmas . . . December 25"

1. Dr. Marshal's 2754 word two page article.
Arguably, It could be the most simplistic accounting as the Jewish priest biblical record.

2. And of human gestation birth period and 40 week accounting, from the of the Day of Atonement, which lands on the tenth day of the Hebrew month of Tishri (roughly the end of our September).

Immediately after this entry into the temple and message of the Archangel Gabriel, Zacharias and Elizabeth conception of John the Baptist.

Allowing for forty weeks of gestation, this places the birth of John the Baptist at the end of June—

Once again confirming the Catholic and Orthodoxy Church faiths date for the “Nativity of Saint John the Baptist” on June 24.


3. The rest of the dating is rather simple.

We read that just after the Immaculate Virgin Mary conceived Christ, she went to visit her cousin Elizabeth who was six months pregnant with John the Baptist.

This means that John the Baptist was six months older that our Lord Jesus Christ.
(Luke 1:24-27, 36).

4. If you add six months to June 24 you get December 24-25 as the birthday of Christ.

Then, if you subtract nine months from December 25 you get that the Annunciation was March 25.

All the dates match up perfectly.



Pennylynn,
So then, if John the Baptist was conceived shortly after the Jewish Day of the Atonement, then the traditional Catholic dates are essentially correct.

If this article is two long for you, for simple a 2,754 word two page article, it's just an excuse and an inability to participate in a logical discussion on your part.


Right now I am participating in an 365 day online-course on Saint Thomas Aquinas "Suma Theologica", This article is simplistic than the "Suma Theologica."

There is no comparison to this article by Dr. Marshal to Saint Thomas Aquinas "Suma Theologica"


I do believe also, that any person has the mental capacity and Christian ability, just to use their mind as God gave them to use it.

I have three college university degrees against your educational biases rational argument.


Pennylynn,
"Which "Does not compute with this stance and position of defense argumentation."

All you posed and replied back to me is a fallacy argumentation, take your pick on which literary fallacy argument you have chosen, or do you need me to list the idom's for you.

The human mind can grasp any theory, or educational doctrine, . . . than what you present in discussion on the, Defense of the Traditional Date for Christmas . . . December 25.


Pennylynn you have made it difficult to discuss the option of "Defense of the Traditional Date for Christmas . . . December 25."

By hiding behind your limiting position of an education and knowledgeable people of higher degrees in religious applied learning.


Is this what your papa told you ?

You took a cop-out position because you don't want to talk about a simplistic assessment of what the Bible says in facts, knowledge and of t***h.


1. Look at the historical jewish facts about;

Since your have a rabbinical background, and have been educated, with many advanced degrees.

Who here does not want to discuss the article issues, rather than participating in an on-line degree program where someone lectures on issues.


Pennylynn words
"Discussions leave room for differing ideas (which do not requiring a degree of personal insight, intellect, and reasoning) whereas a lecture is a one sided.

In every lecture there is a Question and answer section, I believed Dr. Marshal answered those objections right away in the article.

So we are now talking about, Biblical facts, Facts, FACTs. . . .

What does that mean in a discussion comment by you. Please explain ?
Quote "Believe as I tell you, command." More educational gibberish educational talk.

Pennylynn,
Could your educated opinion, be wrong ?

In its' is simplistically approach of looking at the Biblical narratives and that easy to answer the biblical account of Zacharias, as he served in the “course of Abias.”

And Elezabeth's 40 week gestation and birth of her son, John the Baptist.

The most important words of of John's mouth were, "He must increase, but I must decrease.”
John3:30


I believe that your education and probably in your Jewish roots and quite your possibility of protestant conversion, or leanings, e.g.

With many an advanced degrees and who is not participating in the discussion, and not here to discuss issues, but only to dispute Dr. Marshal's findings with an education degree. Oh my how sad, how disingenuous . . .


Pennylynn
a. All one has to do is look at the biblical facts, the human factor of conception and 40 week birth gestation period and the rest is so very simple . . .

"To be deep in history, is to cease being Protestant, and or of Judaism for that matter.


Doc110

Pennylynn,

Did you read the article ? My suggestion is to re-read the articles footnotes and Zacharias and Elizabeth narratives, in the article and to their son birth of John the Baptist.
This is the key to your doubts as to Traditional Date for Christmas . . . December 25.


1. Here is the problem (Commonly Alleged) objections, re-look at 1, 2, and 3 again.

a. Roman Pagan festival of Saturnalla
b. Roman holiday of Natalis Solis Invicti Unconquered Son.
c. The latitude of Bethlehem 31.7 in relation to earthly evelation of northern countries.


As stated previously and to answered Blade runner and to JRuss.


2. The Julian and Gregorian calendar (has noting to do with) the Birth of Jesus Christ or the Death of Jesus Christ in this Article post and research that Dr.Marshal wrote.
It has no bearing and is is further conjecture to the article posted.


3. The Old and New Testament Bible is highly accurate in the biblical and historical narratives, of Birth of Jesus Christ or in the Death of Jesus Christ.



Here is the problem that many Protestants and Jewish faiths have with the Holy Bible, Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ, The Apostles, and early Church Fathers. etc.

1. They are not historians.

2. They are Christians first, their message was evangelizing to others the message of Jesus Christ through there politic and priestly preaching message.

Although through the 1,987 years of Catholic Traditions, they are still accurate in historical time-writing as Dr Marshall has accurately posted the Jewish timeline in the Bible.

3. The Christian Jews Apostle, priests and further documents are accurate in the documentation as we see in; The Birth of Jesus Christ or in the Death of Jesus Christ.

Nehemiah 12:17 and the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans and the protoevangelliun A.D. 145 writings of James apocryphal gospel expand backward to Mathews and Luke infancy stories.


Many of these doubt's cloud and clutter the average present day person's to the speculation and objections of many.

This article looks at the Christian Bible, the Apocrypha and the Early Church father authors and does not interpret, them any differently.

The Biblical facts are accurately correct, the Jewish time line is also correct.

So what is the problem here ?

That from a Catholic perspective it is wrong . . . that Dr. Marshall is wrong looking at the Bible for the history to explain the Birth of Jesus Christ or the Death of Jesus Christ.


Here is you're misunderstanding and problem of (Commonly Alleged) objections, from JRuss, and Blade Runner; Re-look at objections, 1, 2, and 3 again.

a. Roman Pagan festival of Saturnalla
b. Roman holiday of Natalis Solis Invicti Unconquered Son.
c. The latitude of Bethlehem 31.7 in relation to earthly evelation of northern countries.

1. The author looked at sacred scripture and the (Early Church Fathers) writings, they would know more about the actual written and oral traditions then this YouTube video.

2. We are talking 2,000 years here Blade Runner, JRuss and yourself;

Most of these early church fathers knew the Apostles or were once removed from the people that actually know of the evidence of the birth of Jesus, they went to Mary.

a. The birth of John the Baptist and the gestation period. And the Jewish priestly duties at the temple “courseof abias” for the conception and birth of John the Baptist.

b. This is the key of finding the traditional birth of Jesus.


1. There was no need or any mention of these two calendars Julian and Gregorian calendar, in the article nor does your conjecture have any bearing on the article.

And the YouTube video is irrelevant to article post and the biblical and historical event of Jesus's birth day.

2. The article only deals with the biblical narrative in the historical Jewish timeline, Mary's testimonials to the Apostles and the Early Church Fathers writings.
Yes or no ?

You are confused ? still . . . with the non-relevance of the calendars . . . to the article subject.

a. The Julian calendar B.C. 46
b. Gregorian calendar A.D. 1582

The above two calanders {have nothing to do with} the biblical narratives.


The key of bible and Common sense, of actual the biblical narrative is the only logical historical answer to (Commonly Alledged Beliefs) such as yours.

Re-read the article again.

Do some more research, just because it is posted on youTube docent mean it is accurate and is correct.

Doc110