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Feb 5, 2019 16:59:01   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: The Mass

The writer of Hebrews is inescapably clear about the singular nature of Christ’s sacrifice.

For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him. (Hebrews 9:24-28, emphasis added)

Scripture does not waver on the finality of Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf. He came to make a one-time offering for sin, never to be repeated. It was a contrast to the Mosaic covenant, which necessitated a system of near-constant sacrifices. But none of the Old Testament sacrifices could actually atone for sin. They could only serve as a reminder of God’s promised deliverance and foreshadow Christ’s final sacrifice which would conquer sin.

In the practice of the mass, the Roman Catholic Church has reinstituted an unbiblical system of repeated sacrifices, blaspheming Christ by denying and perverting His completed work on the cross.

How important is the mass to Catholicism? The Catechism of the Catholic Church refers to it as “the origin and the high point of the Catholic faith.” Rather than peripheral—it is the source and summit of the Christian life; the heart and soul of their entire system.

In "The Faith of Millions," Catholic priest, John O’Brien, explains the procedure of the mass.

When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man. It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors: it is greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man—not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest’s command.

Put quite simply, the Catholic Church won’t allow Christ off the cross. In the mass, the substance of the bread and the wine are supposedly transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus, rendering Him as a repeated, incomplete sacrifice for sins. He’s not Lord and Savior—He’s the eternal Victim, perpetually bound to the altar by the power claimed by the priest, visibly and ubiquitously symbolized in the Roman Catholic crucifix.

That’s a direct contradiction to Paul’s teaching in Romans 6:8-10.

Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God (emphasis added).

By denying the singular sacrifice of Christ, Catholicism imbues its illegitimate priesthood with artificial power and authority, enslaving its followers to a repetitious system of ineffective, ungodly offerings for sin. It’s essentially paganism sprinkled with enough Christian terminology to deceive and delude souls, convincing them Christ’s death on the cross was not enough to accomplish their salvation. In effect, the mass cancels out the real meaning of the cross.

In Light from Old Times, J.C. Ryle explained the theological and spiritual implications—and imperfections—of the Catholic mass.

Whatever men please to think or say, the Romish doctrine of the real presence, if pursued to its legitimate consequences, obscures every leading doctrine of the gospel, and damages and interferes with the whole system of Christ’s truth. Grant for a moment that the Lord’s Supper is a sacrifice, and not a sacrament—grant that every time the words of the consecration are used the natural body and blood of Christ are present on the communion table under the forms of bread and wine—grant that every one who eats that consecrated bread and drinks that consecrated wine does really eat and drink the natural body and blood of Christ—grant for a moment these things, and then see what momentous consequences result from these premises. You spoil the blessed doctrine of Christ’s finished work when He died on the cross. A sacrifice that needs to be repeated is not a perfect and complete thing.

You spoil the priestly office of Christ. If there are priests that can offer an acceptable sacrifice to God besides Him, the great High Priest is robbed of His glory. You spoil the scriptural doctrine of the Christian ministry. You exalt sinful men into the position of mediators between God and man. You give to the sacramental elements of bread and wine an honour and veneration they were never meant to receive, and produce an idolatry to be abhorred by faithful Christians.

Last, but not least, you overthrow the true doctrine of Christ’s human nature. If the body born of the Virgin Mary can be in more places than one at the same time, it is not a body like our own, and Jesus was not “the last Adam” in the truth of our nature.

In simple terms, the mass has nothing to do with the Christian gospel, nothing to do with the Christian life, and nothing to do with the Christian church. It rejects the true, biblical nature of God, Christ, sin, salvation, atonement, and forgiveness. It robs the cross of its meaning and replaces it with superficial, man-centered idolatry.

It’s a lie, a fraud, and a damning fabrication that enslaves hearts and ushers people to hell.


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Feb 5, 2019 17:12:22   #
bahmer
 
Zemirah wrote:
Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: The Mass

The writer of Hebrews is inescapably clear about the singular nature of Christ’s sacrifice.

For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him. (Hebrews 9:24-28, emphasis added)

Scripture does not waver on the finality of Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf. He came to make a one-time offering for sin, never to be repeated. It was a contrast to the Mosaic covenant, which necessitated a system of near-constant sacrifices. But none of the Old Testament sacrifices could actually atone for sin. They could only serve as a reminder of God’s promised deliverance and foreshadow Christ’s final sacrifice which would conquer sin.

In the practice of the mass, the Roman Catholic Church has reinstituted an unbiblical system of repeated sacrifices, blaspheming Christ by denying and perverting His completed work on the cross.

How important is the mass to Catholicism? The Catechism of the Catholic Church refers to it as “the origin and the high point of the Catholic faith.” Rather than peripheral—it is the source and summit of the Christian life; the heart and soul of their entire system.

In "The Faith of Millions," Catholic priest, John O’Brien, explains the procedure of the mass.

When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man. It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors: it is greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man—not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest’s command.

Put quite simply, the Catholic Church won’t allow Christ off the cross. In the mass, the substance of the bread and the wine are supposedly transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus, rendering Him as a repeated, incomplete sacrifice for sins. He’s not Lord and Savior—He’s the eternal Victim, perpetually bound to the altar by the power claimed by the priest, visibly and ubiquitously symbolized in the Roman Catholic crucifix.

That’s a direct contradiction to Paul’s teaching in Romans 6:8-10.

Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God (emphasis added).

By denying the singular sacrifice of Christ, Catholicism imbues its illegitimate priesthood with artificial power and authority, enslaving its followers to a repetitious system of ineffective, ungodly offerings for sin. It’s essentially paganism sprinkled with enough Christian terminology to deceive and delude souls, convincing them Christ’s death on the cross was not enough to accomplish their salvation. In effect, the mass cancels out the real meaning of the cross.

In Light from Old Times, J.C. Ryle explained the theological and spiritual implications—and imperfections—of the Catholic mass.

Whatever men please to think or say, the Romish doctrine of the real presence, if pursued to its legitimate consequences, obscures every leading doctrine of the gospel, and damages and interferes with the whole system of Christ’s truth. Grant for a moment that the Lord’s Supper is a sacrifice, and not a sacrament—grant that every time the words of the consecration are used the natural body and blood of Christ are present on the communion table under the forms of bread and wine—grant that every one who eats that consecrated bread and drinks that consecrated wine does really eat and drink the natural body and blood of Christ—grant for a moment these things, and then see what momentous consequences result from these premises. You spoil the blessed doctrine of Christ’s finished work when He died on the cross. A sacrifice that needs to be repeated is not a perfect and complete thing.

You spoil the priestly office of Christ. If there are priests that can offer an acceptable sacrifice to God besides Him, the great High Priest is robbed of His glory. You spoil the scriptural doctrine of the Christian ministry. You exalt sinful men into the position of mediators between God and man. You give to the sacramental elements of bread and wine an honour and veneration they were never meant to receive, and produce an idolatry to be abhorred by faithful Christians.

Last, but not least, you overthrow the true doctrine of Christ’s human nature. If the body born of the Virgin Mary can be in more places than one at the same time, it is not a body like our own, and Jesus was not “the last Adam” in the truth of our nature.

In simple terms, the mass has nothing to do with the Christian gospel, nothing to do with the Christian life, and nothing to do with the Christian church. It rejects the true, biblical nature of God, Christ, sin, salvation, atonement, and forgiveness. It robs the cross of its meaning and replaces it with superficial, man-centered idolatry.

It’s a lie, a fraud, and a damning fabrication that enslaves hearts and ushers people to hell.


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Feb 5, 2019 17:19:02   #
bahmer
 
Zemirah wrote:
Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: The Mass

The writer of Hebrews is inescapably clear about the singular nature of Christ’s sacrifice.

For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him. (Hebrews 9:24-28, emphasis added)

Scripture does not waver on the finality of Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf. He came to make a one-time offering for sin, never to be repeated. It was a contrast to the Mosaic covenant, which necessitated a system of near-constant sacrifices. But none of the Old Testament sacrifices could actually atone for sin. They could only serve as a reminder of God’s promised deliverance and foreshadow Christ’s final sacrifice which would conquer sin.

In the practice of the mass, the Roman Catholic Church has reinstituted an unbiblical system of repeated sacrifices, blaspheming Christ by denying and perverting His completed work on the cross.

How important is the mass to Catholicism? The Catechism of the Catholic Church refers to it as “the origin and the high point of the Catholic faith.” Rather than peripheral—it is the source and summit of the Christian life; the heart and soul of their entire system.

In "The Faith of Millions," Catholic priest, John O’Brien, explains the procedure of the mass.

When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man. It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors: it is greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man—not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest’s command.

Put quite simply, the Catholic Church won’t allow Christ off the cross. In the mass, the substance of the bread and the wine are supposedly transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus, rendering Him as a repeated, incomplete sacrifice for sins. He’s not Lord and Savior—He’s the eternal Victim, perpetually bound to the altar by the power claimed by the priest, visibly and ubiquitously symbolized in the Roman Catholic crucifix.

That’s a direct contradiction to Paul’s teaching in Romans 6:8-10.

Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God (emphasis added).

By denying the singular sacrifice of Christ, Catholicism imbues its illegitimate priesthood with artificial power and authority, enslaving its followers to a repetitious system of ineffective, ungodly offerings for sin. It’s essentially paganism sprinkled with enough Christian terminology to deceive and delude souls, convincing them Christ’s death on the cross was not enough to accomplish their salvation. In effect, the mass cancels out the real meaning of the cross.

In Light from Old Times, J.C. Ryle explained the theological and spiritual implications—and imperfections—of the Catholic mass.

Whatever men please to think or say, the Romish doctrine of the real presence, if pursued to its legitimate consequences, obscures every leading doctrine of the gospel, and damages and interferes with the whole system of Christ’s truth. Grant for a moment that the Lord’s Supper is a sacrifice, and not a sacrament—grant that every time the words of the consecration are used the natural body and blood of Christ are present on the communion table under the forms of bread and wine—grant that every one who eats that consecrated bread and drinks that consecrated wine does really eat and drink the natural body and blood of Christ—grant for a moment these things, and then see what momentous consequences result from these premises. You spoil the blessed doctrine of Christ’s finished work when He died on the cross. A sacrifice that needs to be repeated is not a perfect and complete thing.

You spoil the priestly office of Christ. If there are priests that can offer an acceptable sacrifice to God besides Him, the great High Priest is robbed of His glory. You spoil the scriptural doctrine of the Christian ministry. You exalt sinful men into the position of mediators between God and man. You give to the sacramental elements of bread and wine an honour and veneration they were never meant to receive, and produce an idolatry to be abhorred by faithful Christians.

Last, but not least, you overthrow the true doctrine of Christ’s human nature. If the body born of the Virgin Mary can be in more places than one at the same time, it is not a body like our own, and Jesus was not “the last Adam” in the truth of our nature.

In simple terms, the mass has nothing to do with the Christian gospel, nothing to do with the Christian life, and nothing to do with the Christian church. It rejects the true, biblical nature of God, Christ, sin, salvation, atonement, and forgiveness. It robs the cross of its meaning and replaces it with superficial, man-centered idolatry.

It’s a lie, a fraud, and a damning fabrication that enslaves hearts and ushers people to hell.


ESV Study Bible
Got Questions?
John MacArthur
Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: The ... (show quote)


Zemirah how are you doing and are you home from your convalescence yet? Here are some youtube recordings from Dr.Michael Heiser on the Supernatural Seminar if you are interested you can listen at your leisure.

https://youtu.be/bZ-OwSH7IYM

https://youtu.be/M4pOF5oEHCE

https://youtu.be/sSFOZfqFcx4

https://youtu.be/2QBz3KsUp4U

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Feb 5, 2019 18:37:56   #
Rose42
 
Zemirah wrote:
Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: The Mass

The writer of Hebrews is inescapably clear about the singular nature of Christ’s sacrifice.

For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him. (Hebrews 9:24-28, emphasis added)

Scripture does not waver on the finality of Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf. He came to make a one-time offering for sin, never to be repeated. It was a contrast to the Mosaic covenant, which necessitated a system of near-constant sacrifices. But none of the Old Testament sacrifices could actually atone for sin. They could only serve as a reminder of God’s promised deliverance and foreshadow Christ’s final sacrifice which would conquer sin.

In the practice of the mass, the Roman Catholic Church has reinstituted an unbiblical system of repeated sacrifices, blaspheming Christ by denying and perverting His completed work on the cross.

How important is the mass to Catholicism? The Catechism of the Catholic Church refers to it as “the origin and the high point of the Catholic faith.” Rather than peripheral—it is the source and summit of the Christian life; the heart and soul of their entire system.

In "The Faith of Millions," Catholic priest, John O’Brien, explains the procedure of the mass.

When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man. It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors: it is greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man—not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest’s command.

Put quite simply, the Catholic Church won’t allow Christ off the cross. In the mass, the substance of the bread and the wine are supposedly transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus, rendering Him as a repeated, incomplete sacrifice for sins. He’s not Lord and Savior—He’s the eternal Victim, perpetually bound to the altar by the power claimed by the priest, visibly and ubiquitously symbolized in the Roman Catholic crucifix.

That’s a direct contradiction to Paul’s teaching in Romans 6:8-10.

Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God (emphasis added).

By denying the singular sacrifice of Christ, Catholicism imbues its illegitimate priesthood with artificial power and authority, enslaving its followers to a repetitious system of ineffective, ungodly offerings for sin. It’s essentially paganism sprinkled with enough Christian terminology to deceive and delude souls, convincing them Christ’s death on the cross was not enough to accomplish their salvation. In effect, the mass cancels out the real meaning of the cross.

In Light from Old Times, J.C. Ryle explained the theological and spiritual implications—and imperfections—of the Catholic mass.

Whatever men please to think or say, the Romish doctrine of the real presence, if pursued to its legitimate consequences, obscures every leading doctrine of the gospel, and damages and interferes with the whole system of Christ’s truth. Grant for a moment that the Lord’s Supper is a sacrifice, and not a sacrament—grant that every time the words of the consecration are used the natural body and blood of Christ are present on the communion table under the forms of bread and wine—grant that every one who eats that consecrated bread and drinks that consecrated wine does really eat and drink the natural body and blood of Christ—grant for a moment these things, and then see what momentous consequences result from these premises. You spoil the blessed doctrine of Christ’s finished work when He died on the cross. A sacrifice that needs to be repeated is not a perfect and complete thing.

You spoil the priestly office of Christ. If there are priests that can offer an acceptable sacrifice to God besides Him, the great High Priest is robbed of His glory. You spoil the scriptural doctrine of the Christian ministry. You exalt sinful men into the position of mediators between God and man. You give to the sacramental elements of bread and wine an honour and veneration they were never meant to receive, and produce an idolatry to be abhorred by faithful Christians.

Last, but not least, you overthrow the true doctrine of Christ’s human nature. If the body born of the Virgin Mary can be in more places than one at the same time, it is not a body like our own, and Jesus was not “the last Adam” in the truth of our nature.

In simple terms, the mass has nothing to do with the Christian gospel, nothing to do with the Christian life, and nothing to do with the Christian church. It rejects the true, biblical nature of God, Christ, sin, salvation, atonement, and forgiveness. It robs the cross of its meaning and replaces it with superficial, man-centered idolatry.

It’s a lie, a fraud, and a damning fabrication that enslaves hearts and ushers people to hell.


ESV Study Bible
Got Questions?
John MacArthur
Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: The ... (show quote)


Another slam dunk by John MacArthur. Every Catholic should be encouraged to read the bible for themselves.

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Feb 5, 2019 19:03:38   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Hi bahmer,

That's a complicated question as there is a point at which holding one's own and not "deteriorating" further could be interpreted as successful convalescence...

Having been "Iffy" for survival when my ambulance reached the hospital in December, I'm good, through God's grace.

Moving from the convalescence center with their five-star chefs to my in-town home away from home, where I heat my own soup or make my own sandwich, and am deprived of my home Apologetics library could be considered a real comedown in the world.

I have a "team" of nurses and therapists coming and going, at least one daily for an hour or so. I had no idea there was such a cottage industry being supported by we senior citizens.

I don't readily do videos, but have forced myself to watch half of Dr. Heiser's 1st video thus far, after convincing myself the man had some evangelical qualifications.

He also writes science fiction novels, you know.

Sorry, Peewee, you know I'm kidding about his qualifications (but not about the science fiction).

His "divine counsel" propositions line up well with Alfred Edersheim's 19th century writings about the Sanhedrin's sense of self-deity for a starter, to say nothing of their ability, centuries later, to become convinced they had possessed an oral Torah without ever recording it.


bahmer wrote:
Zemirah how are you doing and are you home from your convalescence yet? Here are some youtube recordings from Dr.Michael Heiser on the Supernatural Seminar if you are interested you can listen at your leisure.

https://youtu.be/bZ-OwSH7IYM

https://youtu.be/M4pOF5oEHCE

https://youtu.be/sSFOZfqFcx4

https://youtu.be/2QBz3KsUp4U

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Feb 5, 2019 19:11:03   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Rose, I'd extend that to every Christian, and every spiritual seeker for God's truth.


Rose42 wrote:
Another slam dunk by John MacArthur. Every Catholic should be encouraged to read the bible for themselves.

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Feb 5, 2019 19:22:07   #
Rose42
 
Zemirah wrote:
Rose, I'd extend that to every Christian, and every spiritual seeker for God's truth.


You're right of course. I was zeroing in on Catholics because I know so many and it breaks my heart they believe a lie.

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Feb 6, 2019 08:56:04   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
In all of the states, cities and neighborhoods in which I have resided, Rose, I have felt that sense of impending loss over the souls of individuals with whom I have been co-workers or neighbors; who have eyes to see, but will not see..." and how much more so when they are family or close friends.

Still, after the gospel is told, it is God who will give the increase, and each individual that will choose their own path, and in the case of some:

Matthew 13:14-16:
14 "In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled:
‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.

15 For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear."


Rose42 wrote:
You're right of course. I was zeroing in on Catholics because I know so many and it breaks my heart they believe a lie.

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Feb 6, 2019 09:56:25   #
bahmer
 
Zemirah wrote:
In all of the states, cities and neighborhoods in which I have resided, Rose, I have felt that sense of impending loss over the souls of individuals with whom I have been co-workers or neighbors; who have eyes to see, but will not see..." and how much more so when they are family or close friends.

Still, after the gospel is told, it is God who will give the increase, and each individual that will choose their own path, and in the case of some:

Matthew 13:14-16:
14 "In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled:
‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.

15 For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear."
In all of the states, cities and neighborhoods in ... (show quote)


That describes Radiance3 to a tee. If she could only listen without taking offense and the same for Doc110 but the see everything as a personnel attack as opposed to being offered a hand up.

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Feb 6, 2019 11:43:49   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Zemirah wrote:
Hi bahmer,

That's a complicated question as there is a point at which holding one's own and not "deteriorating" further could be interpreted as successful convalescence...

Having been "Iffy" for survival when my ambulance reached the hospital in December, I'm good, through God's grace.

Moving from the convalescence center with their five-star chefs to my in-town home away from home, where I heat my own soup or make my own sandwich, and am deprived of my home Apologetics library could be considered a real comedown in the world.

I have a "team" of nurses and therapists coming and going, at least one daily for an hour or so. I had no idea there was such a cottage industry being supported by we senior citizens.

I don't readily do videos, but have forced myself to watch half of Dr. Heiser's 1st video thus far, after convincing myself the man had some evangelical qualifications.

He also writes science fiction novels, you know.

Sorry, Peewee, you know I'm kidding about his qualifications (but not about the science fiction).

His "divine counsel" propositions line up well with Alfred Edersheim's 19th century writings about the Sanhedrin's sense of self-deity for a starter, to say nothing of their ability, centuries later, to become convinced they had possessed an oral Torah without ever recording it.
Hi bahmer, br br That's a complicated question as... (show quote)


Nothing to be sorry about. Just proves he has an outlet from his studies and has another income stream from his teaching salary. May have to see if he writes good science fiction.


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Feb 6, 2019 19:03:00   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Peewee, while you check out the good doctor's Science Fiction, remember this:

Acts 17:11: "Now the Bereans were more noble-minded than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if these teachings were true."

I'm sure you're familiar with L. Ron Hubbard, writer of Science Fiction and founder of Scientology, one of the most virulent cults on earth. He wrote Science Fiction as he developed his own religion.

Peewee wrote:
Nothing to be sorry about. Just proves he has an outlet from his studies and has another income stream from his teaching salary. May have to see if he writes good science fiction.


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Feb 6, 2019 19:09:46   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Zemirah wrote:
Peewee, while you check out the good doctor's Science Fiction, remember this:

Acts 17:11: "Now the Bereans were more noble-minded than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if these teachings were true."

I'm sure you're familiar with L. Ron Hubbard, writer of Science Fiction and founder of Scientology, one of the most virulent cults on earth. He wrote Science Fiction as he developed his own religion.
Peewee, while you check out the good doctor's Scie... (show quote)


Thanks for the heads up. I don't think he would fall into that camp, but it's a strange new world out there. What is bugging me today is will there soon be six Roman Catholics on the Supreme Court? In the entire USA, Trump can't find one legally qualified protestant to appoint?

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Feb 6, 2019 21:10:13   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
That has been going on for a few years now, the only other possibility is for a candidate to be Jewish and female.

WASPS need not apply.


Peewee wrote:
Thanks for the heads up. I don't think he would fall into that camp, but it's a strange new world out there. What is bugging me today is will there soon be six Roman Catholics on the Supreme Court? In the entire USA, Trump can't find one legally qualified protestant to appoint?

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Feb 6, 2019 21:24:09   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Those who see themselves as superior can't possibly accept a "hand up" from the ignorant, impoverished and possibly hygienically impure.

There are those who invite offense, and others who demand it. One of the greatest lessons we can absorb from life is the ability to walk away unoffended.


bahmer wrote:
That describes Radiance3 to a tee. If she could only listen without taking offense and the same for Doc110 but the see everything as a personnel attack as opposed to being offered a hand up.

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Feb 7, 2019 10:09:02   #
bahmer
 
Zemirah wrote:
Those who see themselves as superior can't possibly accept a "hand up" from the ignorant, impoverished and possibly hygienically impure.

There are those who invite offense, and others who demand it. One of the greatest lessons we can absorb from life is the ability to walk away unoffended.


Amen and Amen

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