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Jul 9, 2015 02:29:12   #
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I know this isn't politically correct but I just could not stop myself. http://youtu.be/MYpnINrZM_M


Far more of this is needed. Funny. Protests against the "Confederate F**g" will not change a thing. Laughing at ourselves will. Though I have not tried the cereal yet, dems c*****rs is alls I et.
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Jul 9, 2015 02:22:44   #
BearK wrote:
THE POWER OF PRAYER


PHILIPPIANS 4:13


"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."

Have you ever been so tired you thought you just could not keep going, yet, you had to go on. How do you think a soldier feels when he's in the heat of battle? There are no rest breaks when the enemy is firing weapons at you. Right now there is a post on OPP, that refers to such a man who refused to stop. It is entitled "for nam vets." It's about Captain Ed Freeman, a Medal of Honor Recipient. It had to be by the grace of God he was able to keep flying back to rescue the wounded. It's worth the read. It's also worth your time to keep our military in your prayers.

Chances are, you will not be in a life or death situation, but there may be a time when someone else is depending on you. It could be you are caring for a dying relative, and you feel you just can't keep going. You can always turn to God, and remember this short verse - "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." It just may surprise you how far you can push yourself.

May God bless our nation once again with Christians leaders
May He keep our military in His gracious care.
May He open the eyes of our people.
May He bless your day. Amen.
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Curious. This is becoming a very popular quote. I was at a meeting in a recovery house and at a detention center where several in the crowd at both started to lecture on what this verse meant. To them, it was almost like a prosperity incantation to grant their every wish and desire. A spell to defeat failure and all obstacles to their intended goals. Case dismissed, get my children back, get hired, pass this test, don't go to jail, and so forth. Christ may find a way to do all those things...if it is for the best, to the working of his kingdom and that person's soul. But this is not what that verse is talking about. If read in context, Paul is talking about spiritual matters, remaining faithful and true despite both failures and successes. What is possible is to remain true to Christ who strengthens us no matter what the outcome, not that he will make things all better and easy if we believe. "All things" are of his will and design, not of my desires and needs. It is not a Cadillac or even a bicycle.
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Jul 9, 2015 02:06:23   #
eagleye13 wrote:
Time For Civil Disobedience, Christians
By J. Matt Barber
http://rense.com/general96/timeforcvil.html
“Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.”
- John 15:20

The push back has begun. Christian business owners, lawyers, parents, judges, county clerks, organizations, universities, hospitals, adoption agencies and other individuals and groups have been given an ultimatum by five unelected, unaccountable liberals in Washington, D.C.: “You must now obey us and disobey God. You must pretend, with us, that sin-based same-sex ‘marriage’ is an actual thing.”

To which we say, “Not on your life.”
“Or our own.”

Absolute truth is a stubborn thing. Attempts at marital alchemy notwithstanding, the highly contentious, wholly contemptible 5-4 “gay marriage” opinion (and that’s all it is, an opinion) released last week by five pagan extremists in black robes is altogether illegitimate and should be treated as such.

From a moral, biological and legal standpoint, the court’s majority opinion in Obergefell v. Hodges is a complete farce. It’s an absurd missive, a bohemian word salad that was roundly, and rightly, condemned by the court’s four dissenting justices. “The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie,” mocked Justice Scalia.

These “five lawyers,” as Chief Justice John Roberts called them, can no more suspend the laws of natural marriage, than can they suspend the laws of gravity. “[D]o not celebrate the Constitution,” wrote Roberts. “It had nothing to do with it.”

This opinion, which has been branded “the Dred Scott of marriage,” has not changed, one iota, the fixed and immovable reality that the institution of marriage, an institution as old as mankind itself, is, and shall forever remain, centrally defined by its binary male-female requirement.

Indeed, as the four dissenting justices noted, the majority failed, at every level, from a precedential, historical, moral and, perhaps most importantly, a constitutional standpoint, to make the case for redefining marriage ­ something no man can do.
So how should we Christians react to this haughtiness ­ to this rebellion against God?
God’s word tells us how to react: “But Peter and the apostles answered, ‘We must obey God rather than men.’” (Acts 5:29)

Many of us have long warned that this day would come, and it has arrived. In the Spirit of Daniel the prophet and MLK the reverend, we Christians must now engage, as relates our peaceful response to the imposition of counterfeit same-sex “marriage,” in widespread civil disobedience. It’s the right thing to do. In fact, it’s a sin if we don’t. “So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.” (James 4:17)

There are those who will prefer the path of least resistance and will cite, out of context, various Scriptures in order to avoid the possible persecution that may come as a result of obedience to God. For example: “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.” (Romans 13:1)

To be clear, under our constitutional republican form of government, “We the People” are “the governing authorities,” and our elected officials in Congress and the White House are the hired help. They are subject to us, and we are all subject to God, Who is the Final Authority.

These nine unelected, unaccountable justices on the U.S. Supreme Court are appointed and confirmed by the elected officials we hire to represent us. Five of the nine have now presumed to defy both the sovereign will of tens of millions of “We the People” who engaged the constitutional process and voted to defend the immutable definition of marriage, as well as, and more importantly, the sovereign will of God Almighty, the very Author of marriage itself.

Central to Christianity, and clearly delineated throughout both the Old and New Testaments, is the unambiguous and timeless proposition that any sexual practice outside the bonds of true man-woman marriage constitutes sexual immorality and results in separation from God. This, of course, includes sexual acting out between members of the same sex, whether or not such acting out is tied to the novel notion of so-called “same-sex marriage.”

So let’s see if we can make this abundantly clear. Christians, true Christians, ­ regenerate, Bible-believing Christians, who strive their level best to maintain fidelity to the word of God and honor His commands ­ will not, indeed cannot, participate in, approve of, facilitate or encourage certain behaviors deemed by the Holy Scriptures to be immoral or sinful. This is both our constitutionally affirmed human right and our Christian duty.

It is not so much that Christians wish, willy-nilly, to call homosexual behavior, polyamory, fornication, adultery, bestiality, incest or any other disordered sexual proclivity “sinful.” It is, rather, that we must. For the true Christian, God’s objective truths will always trump man’s subjective desires.

And so this opinion, let’s call it “Kennedy’s folly,” will result in, must necessarily result in, widespread civil disobedience ­ disobedience of the sort we haven’t seen since the civil rights struggles of the 1950s and ’60s.

For 2,000 years, whenever such conflicts have arisen, Christians have placed the laws of God above the laws of man.

What makes you think we’re about to change now?

As many in the early church refused to bow a knee to Caesar in worship, so, too, will many modern Christians refuse, under any circumstances, to obey any court opinion or man-made law that presumes to make sin obligatory.

If the ancient church, through the power of the Holy Spirit, was able to face the lions in hopeful anticipation of joining Jesus, then we, too, under the same Spirit, will face anything today’s pagan left can threaten.

In the ongoing culture war, it seems there are no rules of engagement. The secular left will accept nothing short of unconditional surrender. That is to say, the pagans demand that we Christians abandon the biblical worldview altogether, and adopt their own.

This will never happen.

In his “letter from the Birmingham jail,” Martin Luther King Jr. famously declared, “One has not only a legal, but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”

“A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God,” he explained. “An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law.”

An unjust law is, in point of fact, lawlessness.

One can imagine nothing more “out of harmony with the moral law,” than the twisted and oxymoronic notion of so-called “same-sex marriage.”

And so, Mr. Kennedy, our answer is no.

Come what may, we will not obey your unjust lawlessness.
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There are very strict guidelines for true civil disobedience. The primary principle is that it is not directed against anyone or thing and looks for full restoration of community with those promulgating an injustice. It is not a fight, there is no enemy; it is a surrender to God to bring about the needed change. As there is no enemy but only a commitment to his loving care and the restoration of good, it is non-violent. No expressions or acts of hate or disrespect or provocation are to be contemplated or carried out.
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Jul 9, 2015 01:54:00   #
Theo wrote:
Wikipedia defines "Bigotry" as follows -

In British English it refers to a state of mind where a person is obstinately, irrationally, or unfairly intolerant of ideas, opinions, or beliefs that differ from their own, and intolerant of the people who hold them.

In American English, the term can be used similarly; however, it can also be used to refer to intolerance towards a group of people in general based on their group characteristics such as race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, and socioeconomic status. Their humanity was lost.

I agree 100% with that definition. And the key phrase in that definition is "obstinately, irrationally, or unfairly intolerant." "Obstinate" is defined as "perversely adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasion <obstinate resistance to change>" - and "Perversely" is defined as " showing a deliberate and obstinate desire to behave in a way that is unreasonable or unacceptable."

Unreasonable is not the same as unacceptable. The Supreme Court is certainly unreasonable but will expect everyone to accept their foolishness anyway. So the definitions seem to mean opposing things.

And "Obstinate" uses "Perverse" in its definition, which in turn "perversely" uses" "obstinate" in its definition. So it is circular defining at best. Does that make me unreasonable if I do not accept the circular definitions of the prevailing scholarship as to what the terms mean?

It seems to me that the term "Bigot" has been stolen for use that is not within the purview of its original meaning.

It used to reference one who against reason and consensus considers something to be unacceptable. The key to
"bigotry" seems to be some degree of
"unreasonableness" which is contrary to right thinking.

By that standard, there is nothing about "bigotry" involved in denying queers the power to take over the moral status of a nation. In fact, it is unreasonable to allow it, because it goes against consensus and most certainly is not reasonable. Why would a nation adopt something as a moral value if God destroys nations because of the practice thereof?

No, I will continue to join the battle as long as God gives me breath. And I will use reason, love, and consensus and
persuasion as my ammunition.
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Very interesting argument. And many times in exchanges this is thrown back and forth like ping-pong for those who disagree with each other. A little like the playground of our youth: "You are ___." No, I'm not, you are ___." "No, I'm not, you are ___."

Yet there are people who are clearly and sadly bigots. I would have to add hate and fear to the definition of bigot, though this may be so buried only a walled indignation or anger can be seen on the surface. Reason or mercy or forgiveness cannot penetrate. Bigots naturally condemn. They judge the objects of their scorn as thoroughly "other" and of no worth. This is the fuel of genocide. High octane. This is what the Nazis made of the Jews. Their clever and persistent debasing of these people gradually inculcated a distrust in, then a dislike for, and then a disgust at this race and religion.
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Jul 9, 2015 01:38:39   #
BearK wrote:
STEP OVER REASON


NAHUM 1:7 (KJV)


"The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble: and He knoweth them that trust in Him."

When everything seems to be caving in around you, and you feel you have nowhere to go, then it is time to stop spinning your wheels, you will only dig deeper ruts and still not have the answers. Sit down, take a deep breath and turn it all over to God. Sounds too simple, right! Well, tell me, have you ever tried it? Have you ever said, "Lord, I'm at wits end, I can't go any farther, help me! Then, just keep doing what you have to do as though you have the answer. When your thoughts go to fear, brush them aside and keep saying, "Thank You, Lord, for Your faithfulness. My faith may be weak, I need Your strength to boost it, help me."

Remember the father who brought his child to Jesus to ask He heal him? Jesus asks him, "IF YOU CAN BELIEVE, all things are possible to him who believes." The father replies, "Lord, I believe, HELP MY UNBELIEF." Unbelief, that is where most of us become mired in doubts. We give it to Jesus and then keep taking it back as though we alone have the ability to bring about the answers. This is the point where you learn to step over the line of reason, and let go of your problem and just keep THANKING THE LORD FOR HIS ANSWER. It will come!
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The implied end to that verse is "...and they who trust know him." I see a reference to the NT where Jesus is saying, "You will say, 'Lord, Lord,' but I will not know you." Trust in him is all the knowledge we need of God, and all he needs of us.
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Jul 9, 2015 01:33:51   #
WARRIOR wrote:
That all Republican and Democrat politicians in DC, as well as the Supreme Court and the corporate elitists are Godless?
They obviously believe that their senior positions and wealth will save them from the consequences of their lawless actions.
Along with the homosexual community, do they really believe God is on their side, He is NOT! " God will not be mocked "
There will be a price to pay for all of us. Us, because we let it happen, we don't fight back,we are complacent, lack luster, ready to accommodate evil in our midst.
God established this great nation, we have turned our back on Him and will reap the reward, but I do not think it is to late if we Christians, I mean all of us ,make a stand for our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
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I agree about taking a stand but would like to have your ideas about how, where, and when? Okay when is answered: Now! Yet some suggestions would be good for how and where.
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Jul 9, 2015 01:30:23   #
Logosadore wrote:
Depends on your definition of church. If it is the brick and mortar, God tells us the tares are there and leave em alone and go yourself and don't count the hypocrites. Granted not all in any group have that relationship with Christ that indwelling that gives your life the appearance of His life to a lost an dying world.

If you mean Church in the spiritual sense, the only ticket in is that relationship with Him.


Agreed!
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Jul 9, 2015 01:29:39   #
Searching wrote:
Well, you certainly have a way with words. I had NO idea what to expect as I read the words 'looking to put everyone...' You made me look. :lol: That said, welcome.
Just a suggestion, but you 'might' want to have a look/see at others' posts. They will give you valuable insight.


I see that your are a good person. Thank you.
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Jul 9, 2015 01:28:38   #
mcmlx wrote:
I suppose the key phrase is "church going".
Doesn't make them a follower of Jesus.
MCMLX


True...and insightful.
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Jul 9, 2015 01:27:04   #
mcmlx wrote:
Oh, gee, cold drink. My GOD is the only thing big in my life. I am a follower of Jesus and yes, His teachings are radical and unseemly to those who don't have the Holy Spirit.
I live in SC, and am disappointed with the big deal being made (as a distraction by government) about a f**g.
During this time, Obeyme has not only pushed the trade act through, but the NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORITY ACT.
The NDAA allows my government to "disappear" me because it doesn't like what I say, think, or do.
My freedom is of utmost importance, not any piece of cloth which people decide to be offended.
Is the general public so stupid to let themselves be distracted by false f**gs created by the NWO government?
SMH
MCMLX
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I am with you. Though I do rankle at some of the sordid and h**eful attacks on the president, filled with lies and innuendo, Obama does seem out of touch with the basics of a democracy. And more d******eness at making an issue over the "Confederate F**g." Much more prayer is the answer.
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Jul 9, 2015 01:22:35   #
Logosadore wrote:
Hi Cold Drink and welcome to the forum from a recent member. A couple of ground rules that helped me. Look past the front of fiscal 'conservatism' for the real conservatives that join fiscal conservatism with the moral aspect also. A great big f**g for the false front 'fiscal' conservatives are those who resort to insult and injury on a personal level first rattle out of the hat. Any rattle out of the hat for that matter. As a Christian, we realize that Love is the power, not h**e. There are a few 'conservatives' on here as well as liberals that haven't grasped that basic tenet yet. The other would be to do ten times more at a community level than you do in here. Just my two 'sense'.
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Good advice and very well put. Thank you. Look forward to good talks with you.
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Jul 9, 2015 01:20:38   #
Ox wrote:
ColdDrink?

I'm a bit puzzled. Just where do you think the Republicans are "against the message of God"? I suspect an overwhelming majority of church-going people in this country are Republicans.


Yes, sorry, that was a most unfortunate over-statement. There are a few issues close to my heart that I feel are in keeping with the way of Christ that Republicans oppose. They are not, as mis-stated, "against the message of God." I will strive to be more careful in my speech.
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Jul 9, 2015 01:17:10   #
She Wolf wrote:
Welcome. On this site you will get many points of reference to investigate. Some you will find contain t***h others total propaganda. I find the fact that you are interested in learning, refreshing, many of us are to closed minded and see only our point of view. In your search for t***h, you just may help us all.


Wow, very refreshing and encouraging, thank you. I will probably disappoint but right now I am glad I came.
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Jul 9, 2015 01:15:35   #
JimMe wrote:
This isn't the place to "find firm ground"... You need to go elsewhere - do your research before coming here - and inform us here on what you've found...


Thank you for the welcome. It must be nice to come here all knowing, research all done, t's and i's properly festooned. I will take your advice under advisement.
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Jul 7, 2015 04:40:02   #
Elwood wrote:
Going the e-mail rounds. :-D
http://vimeo.com/8898059#at=

Some profound thoughts and, if you are not religious, the scenery is astounding. Enjoy.


Thank you, I needed that.
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