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Dec 9, 2018 19:06:54   #
A bit long but worth the read. Bottom line - it's not Biblical.

https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/80-264/the-scandal-of-the-catholic-priesthood
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Dec 9, 2018 19:00:41   #
tNotMyPrez wrote:
No it does not - - I can understand how, in your narrow christian outlook, you might believe that you can relegate me to that cubbyhole, but you can't...


I've been using it wrong. I'll use non-Christian instead.
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Dec 9, 2018 18:52:42   #
padremike wrote:
Odd that you claim that Rome split away from what you call the Church when history accurately records that Luther became schismatic from Rome.


Luther and others exposed a lot of Catholic false doctrine. There were those who criticized it before him, he just brought it into prominence. In response to the Reformation the Catholics added 6 more books to the Bible in an effort to justify that false doctrine.

The Catholic church believes a perfect God didn't give us everything we needed in His word even though He tells us His word is perfect. For example, Mary's mythical ascension wasn't "proclaimed" until 1854. Reading Catholic fabricated dogma on Mary is an eye opener into how Satan operates. The Mormons too have taken one verse and use that in their claim Jesus went to America.

Here's a chronological list of some of the lies of the Catholic church -
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-147250-1.html

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There may be many denominations but the Bible makes it plain that there is only one Church and you do not possess the knowledge, authority, and love of Christ to say who is not incorporated into that One Church. You do, however, spend an inordinate amount of time damning those who, in your personal "opinion" are not welcome and cannot belong.


Yes the Bible is very plain in many things that you choose to ignore. It's abundantly clear that the one church is not Catholic. You have no more authority than anyone else. You certainly have no authority when you follow false doctrine. Even Peter never put himself above anyone else. The entire Catholic clergy system isn't even Biblical.

You don't know anyone's heart. Its quite arrogant and p***eful of you to say someone doesn't possess the love of Christ.

I damn no one but I am critical of false doctrine. I also have never once said no one was welcome. That speaks to a lack of integrity on your part that you have so often tried to twist people's words. I want everyone to be Christian no matter what they've done.

As to the Catholic "unity", Muslims and Mormons have unity too and they also follow false doctrine.
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Dec 9, 2018 18:12:09   #
tNotMyPrez wrote:

I simply do not accept your belief system that the authors of the bible were inspired by god or the holy spirit


Thats what makes you secular.
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Dec 9, 2018 17:04:52   #
Correction - it's God's word vs men's word.
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Dec 9, 2018 17:00:59   #
byronglimish wrote:
Thanks, do you have a preference or should I ask, can you name a specific preacher, who you feel is bible based only?


Charles Spurgeon, R.C. Sproul, John MacArthur, Ravi Zacharias, Paul Washer and Tim Challies are all ones I like. I can't pick just one.
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Dec 9, 2018 15:25:48   #
If it were Biblical as Catholics claim then why was it not "revealed" until 1854? Why would God not make something that would have been so important not explicitly known? It defies logic.
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Dec 9, 2018 15:05:02   #
byronglimish wrote:
Who is the true body?


Of Christians? In a nutshell - those who put their faith and trust in Christ alone for salvation. They obey His word.
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Dec 9, 2018 13:51:07   #
padremike wrote:
That's a distinction you've made in your own prejudiced and biased mind in which you have probably condemn we who are Orthodox also. Yet both Churches pray the Nicene Creed in their liturgy every Sunday and you do not. For example, before we can say together, "Our Father" first we have to say, "Credo" - "I" Believe! An affirmation of Who and what we believe together in one Body, the Church.. That Creed was crafted by the early Christian hierarchy because of different and growing heresies and it stated, unequivocably, that these things you must believe to be a Christian. Do you believe, as stated in the Creed, in "one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church?"
That's a distinction you've made in your own preju... (show quote)


The "Our Father" was a guide on how to pray. That's pretty clear. If one wants to use it as a prayer nothing needs to be said before it.

The Catholic church split from the catholic (Christian) church quite early. There is one Christian church but its got nothing to do with Catholicism.
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Dec 9, 2018 13:43:43   #
Never one to mince words...

False gods, attempts to represent the true God, and indeed, all material things which are worshipped, are so much filth upon the face of the earth, whether they be crosses, crucifixes, virgins, wafers, relics, or even the Pope himself. We are by far too mealy mouthed about these infamous abominations: God abhors them, and so should we. To renounce the glory of spiritual worship for outward pomp and show is the height of folly, and deserves to be treated as such.” (C.H. Spurgeon, The Treasury of David, Psalm 106:20)

“It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against Antichrist, and as to what Antichrist is no sane man ought to raise a question. If it be not the popery in the Church of Rome there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name. If there were to be issued a hue and cry for Antichrist, we should certainly take up this church on suspicion, and it would certainly not be let loose again, for it so exactly answers the description.” (C.H. Spurgeon)

Popery is contrary to Christ’s Gospel, and is the Antichrist, and we ought to pray against it. It should be the daily prayer of every believer that Antichrist might be hurled like a millstone into the flood and for Christ, because it wounds Christ, because it robs Christ of His glory, because it puts sacramental efficacy in the place of His atonement, and lifts a piece of bread into the place of the Saviour, and a few drops of water into the place of the Holy Ghost, and puts a mere fallible man like ourselves up as the vicar of Christ on earth; if we pray against it, because it is against Him, we shall love the persons though we hate their errors: we shall love their souls though we loath and detest their dogmas, and so the breath of our prayers will be sweetened, because we turn our faces towards Christ when we pray.” (C.H. Spurgeon)
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Dec 9, 2018 13:30:00   #
I just read some of that article by Dave Armstrong that is an excellent example of how Satan can twist scripture. All one has to do is read the Bible to see that this nonsense about Mary being the "ark of the new covenant" is ridiculous. Why don't more people just read it?

We should ask of Catholics why a perfect God would have left us an incomplete church (brought up earlier by Jack) and why it would take 2000 years for important doctrine to be revealed? It can't be logically explained in light of God's perfection.

The word overshadow in Luke 1:35 can not logically be used to justify this latest heresy. The verse isn't a vague allusion to some unrevealed mystery. This is similar to how the Mormons twist a verse to mean Jesus went to America. This is the verse - "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd." John 10:16. Satan is at work in both churches.
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Dec 9, 2018 10:16:47   #
Wrong as usual Radiance. Why do you continue to deny the word of God?

Christ is the rock. There's a thread that proves it with scripture of course. Peter himself called Christ the rock. Peter was never even in Rome. If he had been Paul would have referred to him and greeted him in Romans. You believe a lie.

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-147167-1.html
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Dec 9, 2018 10:09:46   #
No worries TexaCan. Radiance is being convicted and is fighting it tooth and nail. Her pride won't let her submit to the Spirit and that is why she just tosses out random statements. If she would submit to that conviction I would be so happy to be called every nasty name in the book!
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Dec 9, 2018 09:52:16   #
Radiance3 wrote:
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That was the reason why Christ ordered Saint Peter to put all His teachings to keep and to hold at His Catholic Church for ONE SOLID INTERPRETATION.


Time again to prove it Radiance. But you can't because you know in your heart that never happened.
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Dec 9, 2018 09:44:04   #
" God had made Mary the 2nd to Christ, and the most important saint. "

That is an out and out lie. God never did any such thing.

You don't know scripture. In her magnificat she said " and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior". She was in need of a Savior just like everyone else. That couldn't be any clearer. If, as Catholicism claims, she was sinless why would she say that? If, as they claim, she was born in an immaculate conception why would she say that?

Did we receive an incomplete gospel? Would God, in His perfection have done that to us? Why would the Catholic church wait so long for these "revelations"?
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