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Are Roman Catholicism and Christianity the same thing? - Not according to the Bible
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Dec 5, 2018 15:06:07   #
Rose42
 
No, Roman Catholicism and Christianity are not the same thing. Christianity is properly defined by certain doctrines that are revealed in the Bible. It is not defined by simply saying that as long as you believe in Jesus, you're a Christian. Mormons believe in Jesus, but their Jesus is a brother of the devil in the pre-existence. The Jesus of the Jehovah's Witnesses is Michael the Archangel. So, just saying you believe in Jesus doesn't make you a Christian. This is why the Bible tells us who Jesus really is--God in flesh, creator of the universe. Likewise, there are essential doctrines; and if any of those essential doctrines are violated, then a church would only appear to be Christian but not really be Christian. What are those doctrines? The Bible tells us. Let's take a look.

There is only one God, and you are to serve no other gods (Exodus 20:3; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8).
Jesus is both God and man (John 1:1, 14; 8:24; Col. 2:9; 1 John 4:1-4).
Jesus rose from the dead physically (John 2:19-21; 1 Cor. 15:14).
Salvation is by grace through faith (Rom. 5:1; Eph. 2:8-9; Gal. 3:1-2; 5:1-4).
The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus according to the scriptures (1 Cor. 15:1-4; Gal. 1:8-9).
God is a Trinity (Matt. 28:19; 1 Cor. 12:4-6; 2 Cor. 13:14).
Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (Matt. 1:25).

So, someone who is a true Christian will believe these things and not violate them. Roman Catholicism violates two of them (#1 and #4). First of all, by its practice of promoting Mary (and the Saints) to the level of God-like capabilities, they break the commandment to have no other gods before the true and living God. In Roman Catholicism, they say that Mary is the mediatrix (Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 969); Mary made atonement for the sins of man (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, page 213); Mary is the subject of preaching and worship (Vatican Council II, p. 420); etc.

Also, Catholicism violates the biblical doctrine of salvation by grace through faith alone. Paul the Apostle, for example, tells us in Romans 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness." But Roman Catholicism denies that and says, " . . . so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments," (CCC, par 2068). Also, consider this:

"If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema" (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 9).

So, even though Roman Catholicism claims to be Christian and that it is the one true church, it violates the essentials of the Christian faith. It goes beyond what is written in God's word (1 Cor. 4:6). It denies the sole and true sovereignty of the living God by promoting prayer to and the worship of Mary. Also, it denies justification by faith alone in Christ alone. It is not a Christian church.

https://carm.org/is-catholicism-christian

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Dec 5, 2018 16:34:02   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
This is an excellent explanation, Rose,

The basic insurmountable differences are as clear as can be,

...and you accomplished it with six paragraphs.


Rose42 wrote:
No, Roman Catholicism and Christianity are not the same thing. Christianity is properly defined by certain doctrines that are revealed in the Bible. It is not defined by simply saying that as long as you believe in Jesus, you're a Christian. Mormons believe in Jesus, but their Jesus is a brother of the devil in the pre-existence. The Jesus of the Jehovah's Witnesses is Michael the Archangel. So, just saying you believe in Jesus doesn't make you a Christian. This is why the Bible tells us who Jesus really is--God in flesh, creator of the universe. Likewise, there are essential doctrines; and if any of those essential doctrines are violated, then a church would only appear to be Christian but not really be Christian. What are those doctrines? The Bible tells us. Let's take a look.

There is only one God, and you are to serve no other gods (Exodus 20:3; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8).
Jesus is both God and man (John 1:1, 14; 8:24; Col. 2:9; 1 John 4:1-4).
Jesus rose from the dead physically (John 2:19-21; 1 Cor. 15:14).
Salvation is by grace through faith (Rom. 5:1; Eph. 2:8-9; Gal. 3:1-2; 5:1-4).
The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus according to the scriptures (1 Cor. 15:1-4; Gal. 1:8-9).
God is a Trinity (Matt. 28:19; 1 Cor. 12:4-6; 2 Cor. 13:14).
Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (Matt. 1:25).

So, someone who is a true Christian will believe these things and not violate them. Roman Catholicism violates two of them (#1 and #4). First of all, by its practice of promoting Mary (and the Saints) to the level of God-like capabilities, they break the commandment to have no other gods before the true and living God. In Roman Catholicism, they say that Mary is the mediatrix (Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 969); Mary made atonement for the sins of man (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, page 213); Mary is the subject of preaching and worship (Vatican Council II, p. 420); etc.

Also, Catholicism violates the biblical doctrine of salvation by grace through faith alone. Paul the Apostle, for example, tells us in Romans 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness." But Roman Catholicism denies that and says, " . . . so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments," (CCC, par 2068). Also, consider this:

"If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema" (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 9).

So, even though Roman Catholicism claims to be Christian and that it is the one true church, it violates the essentials of the Christian faith. It goes beyond what is written in God's word (1 Cor. 4:6). It denies the sole and true sovereignty of the living God by promoting prayer to and the worship of Mary. Also, it denies justification by faith alone in Christ alone. It is not a Christian church.

https://carm.org/is-catholicism-christian
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Dec 5, 2018 16:36:36   #
Rose42
 
Zemirah wrote:
This is an excellent explanation, Rose,

The basic insurmountable differences are as clear as can be,

...and you accomplished it with six paragraphs.


I sure didn't write that. But I agree - it's very good.

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Dec 5, 2018 17:09:34   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
In a Business Writing course, years ago, they taught "Eliminate all unnecessary words."

The writing is succinct without eliminating necessary information, whoever wrote it.

You posted it. Thank you, that is what counts.


Rose42 wrote:
I sure didn't write that. But I agree - it's very good.

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Dec 5, 2018 17:47:02   #
Rose42
 
Zemirah wrote:
In a Business Writing course, years ago, they taught "Eliminate all unnecessary words."

The writing is succinct without eliminating necessary information, whoever wrote it.

You posted it. Thank you, that is what counts.


Scripture can be defended with unnecessary words can't it. In reacquainting myself with Catholic heresies I see a lot more words from its doctrines and apologists with no meat.

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Dec 6, 2018 00:53:43   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
It's much like the writing of the masters of Freemasonry. It takes you around and around, without beginning or end.

Unlike the Bible, which has a beginning and end, allowing you to know exactly where you are, spiritually, theologically and historically.

If you read the Catholic Encyclopedia, for example, or the Catechism, you can easily lose yourself in the maze.



Rose42 wrote:
Scripture can be defended with unnecessary words can't it. In reacquainting myself with Catholic heresies I see a lot more words from its doctrines and apologists with no meat.

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Dec 6, 2018 06:32:25   #
Radiance3
 
Zemirah wrote:
It's much like the writing of the masters of Freemasonry. It takes you around and around, without beginning or end.

Unlike the Bible, which has a beginning and end, allowing you to know exactly where you are, spiritually, theologically and historically.

If you read the Catholic Encyclopedia, for example, or the Catechism, you can easily lose yourself in the maze.

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Exposing the fake and criminal Sola Scriptura Business Enterprise all over the world.
The 47,000 denominations with 47,000 interpretations, run by multi-millionaire and multi-billionaires by Pastors of Sola Scriptura is an abomination to God for His words used as merchandise to make money.
All over the world, the Pastors who run this Sola Fide Enterprise becomes so rich quickly.

https://www.pulse.com.gh/lifestyle/richest-pastors-in-the-world-and-their-net-worth-forbes-id7838919.html

http://pleasuresmagazine.com.ng/2016/09/top-50-ludicrously-wealthy-pastors/

Their power is money. Not God. God's words are used as their merchandise. What a shame!!


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Dec 6, 2018 09:45:30   #
Rose42
 
Zemirah wrote:
It's much like the writing of the masters of Freemasonry. It takes you around and around, without beginning or end.

Unlike the Bible, which has a beginning and end, allowing you to know exactly where you are, spiritually, theologically and historically.

If you read the Catholic Encyclopedia, for example, or the Catechism, you can easily lose yourself in the maze.


Yes you can. I think its purposeful so people never really get it and need someone with 'special training' to explain it. Yet if they look they could see it doesn't stand.

The older I get the more I think a pope will be the antichrist.

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Dec 6, 2018 10:17:58   #
Radiance3
 
Rose42 wrote:
Yes you can. I think its purposeful so people never really get it and need someone with 'special training' to explain it. Yet if they look they could see it doesn't stand.

The older I get the more I think a pope will be the antichrist.

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Those Sola Merchants will give you training how to become one of them. It is a lucrative business you know. Just recite all the Sola Fide Scriptures, which you already do, and people listen, give you lots of money. That's how the 47,000 denominations worldwide multiplied so fast.

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Dec 6, 2018 13:04:43   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
You are blinded to the truth.

Wherever the true church of Jesus Christ increases, it is the work of the Holy Spirit, not any man.


Radiance3 wrote:
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Those Sola Merchants will give you training how to become one of them. It is a lucrative business you know. Just recite all the Sola Fide Scriptures, which you already do, and people listen, give you lots of money. That's how the 47,000 denominations worldwide multiplied so fast.

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Dec 6, 2018 14:13:07   #
Rose42
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Those Sola Merchants will give you training how to become one of them. It is a lucrative business you know. Just recite all the Sola Fide Scriptures, which you already do, and people listen, give you lots of money. That's how the 47,000 denominations worldwide multiplied so fast.


Look what you just typed Radiance. It shows another very casual disregard for God's word. Those verses can also be found in the Catholic version of the Bible. I'll echo what Zemirah said. You should read 1 John. Read it carefully.

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Dec 6, 2018 14:30:58   #
Radiance3
 
Rose42 wrote:
Look what you just typed Radiance. It shows another very casual disregard for God's word. Those verses can also be found in the Catholic version of the Bible. I'll echo what Zemirah said. You should read 1 John. Read it carefully.


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I told you many times. The Scriptures are NOT the problem. The problem is your DEBUNK Sola Scriptura source. If you take the source there it is unlawful to use the Sola Fide. Not authorized by Christ. The only VALID source is Christ Holy Catholic Church, where the full authority was bestowed upon.

Anymore complaints?

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Dec 7, 2018 10:17:29   #
Rose42
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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I told you many times. The Scriptures are NOT the problem. The problem is your DEBUNK Sola Scriptura source. If you take the source there it is unlawful to use the Sola Fide. Not authorized by Christ. The only VALID source is Christ Holy Catholic Church, where the full authority was bestowed upon.

Anymore complaints?


The source of Sola Scriptura is the Bible which is God's word. How can it be invalid unless you deny the word of God?

Christ's church isn't the "Catholic" church its the "catholic" church.

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Dec 7, 2018 14:15:54   #
Radiance3
 
Rose42 wrote:
The source of Sola Scriptura is the Bible which is God's word. How can it be invalid unless you deny the word of God?

Christ's church isn't the "Catholic" church its the "catholic" church.


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You still could not understand? There must only have ONE (1) source for teaching the Gospel of Christ. That is the Catholic Bible which Christ created thru Saint Peter who was given the authority to keep, to teach, to continue, and to proclaim the Scriptures to the world. Matthew 16:18-19.

Your 500 year old Sola Scriptura was NOT authorized by Christ. Now, your Sola Scriptura has been interpreted by about 47,000 pastors, which are all CONTRARY TO THE ORDER OF CHRIST. You have so many interpretations AGAINST the Gospel which Christ had passed on to Peter.

It is hard to teach a dumb.

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Dec 8, 2018 06:20:31   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Radiance3 wrote:
It is hard to teach a dumb.



Radiance, It is even more difficult to read meaningless comments by one.

There is only one church of Jesus Christ. It is not a building.

We are the only church of Jesus Christ, the little "c" catholic/universal church, for the Holy Spirit has taken up permanent residence within each believer who has publicly confessed their faith in Jesus, His death, and resurrection.

That is a truth you need to accept.



Radiance3 wrote:
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You still could not understand? There must only have ONE (1) source for teaching the Gospel of Christ. That is the Catholic Bible which Christ created thru Saint Peter who was given the authority to keep, to teach, to continue, and to proclaim the Scriptures to the world. Matthew 16:18-19.

Your 500 year old Sola Scriptura was NOT authorized by Christ. Now, your Sola Scriptura has been interpreted by about 47,000 pastors, which are all CONTRARY TO THE ORDER OF CHRIST. You have so many interpretations AGAINST the Gospel which Christ had passed on to Peter.

It is hard to teach a dumb.
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