Rose42

Sadly you are defending demonic doctrine not the truth of Christ. If you would read the Bible and pray for discernment you'd see the truth.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Time is short for anyone of our age! Your works are done for YOUR purpose, your selfish purpose! You must do WORKS, yes? This is what you believe! So you continually Bragg and announce it to all! At the same time , you tell us that the poor people that you help, are beneath you!!!! You would never actually associate with them as a friend, because they are not worthy! They are not financially secure or educated, such as you and all your other wealthy and educated friends!

Mathew 6:2. Thus when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and n the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly I say to you, they have received their reward.

We believe that works are the fruit of our Faith, not required for salvation!

For it by Grace you have been saved, through faith- and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

And yet you continue to boast! You have no idea what we do for others, and you will never find us Bragging about it!

bahmer

Amen and Amen

Radiance3

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Reciting your Sola Scriptures does not mean anything but God will justify it as hypocrisy.
It is the contents of your heart, and the results of your good works to men, and the weaker children of God.

Without those, even if you recite the Solas everyday, you'll not reach the first step of heaven.

Radiance3

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Bragging? For what purpose? I am proving that faith and works are necessary for salvation.
I am giving examples, not bragging about it. Because you have nothing to present, you consider these examples provided as bragging. For what? The works were done for God, serving the least of my brothers.

https://biblehub.com/matthew/25-40.htm
"The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'

Here I have another example, and you'll call it bragging.
On Dec. 16th, I will prepare and cook food for 35 homeless families in our community.
I will gather the children and mothers feed them and shelter them for 3 nights at the Church compound. Presents or gifts will also be distributed. This is the essence of Christmas, It is about loving, especially those who need most. This is Faith and works for the glory of God.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

I see you are taking full credit for this! Shouldn't you have said WE and not Just I? That's bragging!

Radiance3

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Sola Scriptura has taken over the entire business enterprise for making money how to be multi-millionaires and multi-billionaires.

http://pleasuresmagazine.com.ng/2016/09/top-50-ludicrously-wealthy-pastors/

Rose42

Some are corrupt but they don't speak for Christians just like the Catholic church doesn't speak for Christians.

You said "multi-billionaires" but there is only one billionaire on that list and his net worth is 1.2 billion. The one below that is 760 million. You don't need to lie about corrupt preachers too. There are enough of them that you don't need to lie.

But if you want to talk about corruption. These are just a few. All of the below are verifiable with God's word

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-145430-1.html - Roman Catholicism threw Christianity out the window

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-145822-1.html - Itemized listing of the false teachings of the Catholic church

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-146310-1.html - Heresies of the Catholic mass

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-147148-1.html - Heresies of the pope and the papacy

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-146569-1.html - The false hope of purgatory

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-146484-1.html - Popery is contrary to Christ's gospel

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-146458-1.html - Debunking apostolic tradition

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-146404-1.html - Exposing heresies of the Catholic church - Mary worship/veneration

Radiance3

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Those are all the justifications of the Sola Scriptura to take a world stage seat of the Gospel of Christ. But the fact is Sola Scriptura is unlawful, and with no LICENSE to preach. Thus the 47,000 denominations are now using it for business enterprise. The loudest mouth Pastor gets the highest share. Right now, it has earned $1.1 billion dollars.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

That’s nothing compared to the Pope’s haul!

Radiance3

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TexaCan, Sola Scriptura is not authorized by Christ.

4. Christ tells us to submit to the Authority of the Church

5 Scripture itself states that it is insufficient of itself as a teacher, but rather needs an interpreter.
The Bible says in 2 Tim. 3:17 that the man of God is "perfect, furnished to every good work." As we noted above, this verse means only that the man of God is fully supplied with Scripture; it is not a guarantee that he automatically knows how to interpret it properly. This verse at most argues only for the material sufficiency of Scripture, a position which is held by some Catholic thinkers today.

6. The first Christians did not have a Bible
Biblical scholars tell us that the last book of the New Testament was not written until the end of the 1stcentury A.D., that is, until around the year 100 A.D. (9) This fact would leave roughly a 65-year gap between Our Lord’s Ascension into Heaven and the completion of the Bible as we know it. The question that begs to be asked, therefore, is this: "Who or what served as the final, infallible authority during that time?"

7. The Church produced the Bible not vice-versa
The doctrine of Sola Scriptura overlooks – or at least grossly underemphasizes – the fact that the Church came before the Bible, and not the other way around. It was the Church, in effect, which wrote the Bible under the inspiration of Almighty God: the Israelites as the Old Testament Church (or "pre-Catholics") and the early Catholics as the New Testament Church.

8. The idea of the Scripture's Authority existing apart from the authority of the Teacher Church is utterly foreign to the Early Church.
If you look at the writings of the Early Church Fathers, you will see references to the Apostolic Succession, (10) to the bishops as guardians of the Deposit of Faith, (11) and to the primacy and the authority of Rome. (12) The collective weight of these references makes clear the fact that the early Church understood itself has having a hierarchy which was central to maintaining the integrity of the Faith. Nowhere do we see any indication that the early followers of Christ

9. Heresiarchs and heretical movements based their doctrines on Scripture interpreted apart from Tradition and the Magisterium.
If you look at the history of the early Church, you will see that it continually struggled against heresies and those who promoted them. We also see the Church responding to those threats again and again by convening Councils (15) and turning to Rome to settle disputes in matters of

10. The Canon of the Bible was not settled until the 4th Century.
One historical fact which proves extremely convenient for the Protestant is the fact that the canon of the Bible – the authoritative list of exactly which books are part of inspired Scripture –

11. An "Extra-Biblical" Authority Identified the Canon of the Bible.
Since the Bible did not come with an inspired table of contents, the doctrine of Sola Scriptura creates yet another dilemma: How can one know with certainty which books belong in the Bible – specifically, in the New Testament? The unadulterated fact is that one cannot know unless there is an authority outside the Bible which can tell him. Moreover, this authority must.

12. The Belief that Scripture is "Self-Authenticating" Does Not Hold Up under Examination
Lacking a satisfactory answer to the question of how the canon of the Bible was determined, Protestants often resort to the notion that Scripture is "self-authenticating," that is, the books of the Bible witness to themselves that they are inspired of God. The major problem with such an assertion is simply that even a cursory examination of ecclesial history will demonstrate it to be utterly untrue.

13. None of the Original Biblical Manuscripts is Extant.
A sobering consideration – and one which is fatal to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura – is that we do not possess a single original manuscript of any book of the Bible. Now it is true that there are thousands of manuscripts extant which are copies of the originals – and more likely than not they are copies of copies – but this fact does not help the Sola Scriptura position for the simple reason that without original manuscripts, one cannot know with certainty if he actually possesses the real Bible, whole and entire.

14. The Biblical Manuscripts Contain Thousands of Variations
It has just been noted that there are thousands of Biblical manuscripts in existence; these manuscripts contain thousands of variations in the text; one writer estimates that there are over 200,000 variations. (25) Whereas the majority of these deal with minor concerns – such as spelling, word order and the like – there are also variations of a more important nature: a) the manuscript evidence shows that scribes sometimes modified

15. There Are Hundreds of Bible Versions.
As mentioned in Point 14 above, there are thousands and thousands of variations in the Biblical manuscripts. This problem is compounded by the fact that history has known hundreds of Bible versions, which vary in translation as well as textual sources. The question which begs to be asked is, "Which version is the correct one?" or "Which version is closest to the original manuscripts?" One possible answer will depend on which side of the Catholic/Protestant issue you situate yourself. Another possible answer will depend upon which Bible scholars you consider to be trustworthy and reputable.

16. The Bible Was Not Available to Individual Believers until the 15th Century.
Essential to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura is the idea that the Holy Spirit will enlighten each believer as to the correct interpretation for a given Bible passage. This idea presupposes that each believer possesses a Bible or at least has access to a Bible. The difficulty with such a presumption is that the Bible was not able to be mass-produced and readily available to individual believers until the advent of the printing press in the 15th century. (34) Even then, it would have taken quite some time for large numbers of Bibles to be printed and disseminated to the general population.

17. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Did Not Exist Prior to the 14thCentury.
As difficult a reality as it may be for some to face, this foundational doctrine of Protestantism did not originate until the 14th century and did not become widespread until the 16h century – a far, far cry time-wise from the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Apostles. This simple fact is conveniently overlooked or ignored by Protestants, but it can stand alone as sufficient reason to discard the doctrine of Sola Scriptura. The truth that the doctrine of Sola Scriptura did not exist before John Wycliffe (forerunner of Protestantism) in the 14th century and did not become widespread until Martin Luther came along in the 16th century and began setting up his own "traditions of men" in place of authentic

18. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Produces Bad Fruit, Namely, Division and Disunity.
If the doctrine of Sola Scriptura were true, then it should be expected that Protestants would all be in agreement in terms of doctrine, as the Bible could not simultaneously teach contradictory beliefs. And yet the reality is that there are literally thousands (35) of Protestant sects and denominations, each of which claims to have the Bible as its only guide, each of which claims to be preaching the truth, yet each of which teaches something different from the others. Protestants claim that they differ only in non-essential or peripheral matters, but the fact is that they cannot even agree on major doctrinal issues such as the Eucharist, salvation, and justification – to name a few.

19. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Does Not Allow for a Final, Definitive Interpretation of any given Passage of Scripture.
As we have seen above, the doctrine of Sola Scriptura maintains that the individual believer needs only the Bible as a rule of faith and that he can obtain a true interpretation of a given Scripture passage simply by comparing it with what the rest of the Bible teaches. In practice, however, this approach creates more problems than it solves, and it ultimately prevents the believer from knowing definitively and with certainty how any given passage from the Bible should be interpreted.

20. The Protestant Bible Is Missing 7 Entire Books
Much to their chagrin, Protestants are actually guilty of violating their own doctrine. The doctrine of Sola Scriptura prohibits anyone from adding to or deleting from the Bible, but Protestants have, in fact, deleted seven entire books from the Old Testament, as well as portions of two others. The books in question, which are wrongly termed "the Apocrypha" ("not authentic") by Protestants, are called the "deuterocanonical" ("second canon") books by Catholics: they are Tobias (Tobit), Judith, 1 and 2 Machabees, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus (or

21. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Had its Source in Luther’s Own Emotional Problems.
If anything at all can be said with certainty about Martin Luther, it is that he was deeply and chronically troubled by a combination of doubts and despair about his salvation and a sense of utter impotence in the face of temptation and sin. Luther himself notes, "My spirit was completely broken and I was always in a state of melancholy; for, do what I would, my ‘righteousness’ and my ‘good works’ brought me no help or consolation." (47)

Summary
For all these reasons, then, it is evident that the Protestant doctrine of Sola Scriptura is an utterly unbiblical, man-made, erroneous belief which must be wholly rejected. Those who are genuine Christian believers and who have a commitment to the truths that Jesus Christ taught – even if those contradict one’s current religious system – should be compelled by the evidence to see the inherent flaws in this doctrine, flaws which are clearly obvious from Scripture, logic and history.

The fullness of religious truth, unmixed with error, is found only in the Catholic Church, the very Church which Jesus Christ Himself established. According to the teaching of this Church, founded by Christ, Sola Scriptura is a distorted, truncated view of Christian authority. Rather, the true rule of faith for the followers of Christ is this:
The immediate or direct rule of faith is the teaching of the Church; the Church in turn takes her teaching from Divine Revelation – both the written Word, called Sacred Scripture, and the oral or unwritten Word, known as "Tradition," which together form the remote or indirect rule of faith.

Scripture and Tradition are the inspired sources of Christian doctrine, while the Church – a historical and visible entity dating back to St. Peter and the Apostles in an uninterrupted succession – is the infallible teacher and interpreter of Christian doctrine. It is only by accepting this complete Christian rule of faith that followers of Christ know they are adhering to all the things that He commanded His Apostles to teach (cf. Matt. 28:20). It is only by accepting this complete Christian rule of faith that the followers of Christ are assured of possessing the whole truth which Christ taught, and nothing but that truth.

Rose42

Here's some reading for you Radiance that proves Catholicism isn't Christian nor is it Biblically based.

All of the below are verifiable with God's word. To deny it is to deny God.

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-145430-1.html - Roman Catholicism threw Christianity out the window

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-145822-1.html - Itemized listing of the false teachings of the Catholic church

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-146310-1.html - Heresies of the Catholic mass

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-147148-1.html - Heresies of the pope and the papacy

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-146569-1.html - The false hope of purgatory

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-146484-1.html - Popery is contrary to Christ's gospel

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-146458-1.html - Debunking apostolic tradition

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-146404-1.html - Exposing heresies of the Catholic church - Mary worship/veneration

Radiance3

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Again, here is your demonic doctrine. The lawless and unauthorized Sola Scriptura. You Protestants violate the policies of Christ. Christ is the head of the Church. Not you Rose, or your 47,000 Pastors who interpret the Teachings of Christ on various ways. A GROSS VIOLATIONS OF CHRISTS ORDER.

[b]Taken from the 21 Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura.[b]
Already printed earlier to your face.

It is evident that the Protestant doctrine of Sola Scriptura is an utterly unbiblical, man-made, erroneous belief which must be wholly rejected. Those who are genuine Christian believers and who have a commitment to the truths that Jesus Christ taught – even if those contradict one’s current religious system – should be compelled by the evidence to see the inherent flaws in this doctrine, flaws which are clearly obvious from Scripture, logic and history.

The fullness of religious truth, unmixed with error, is found only in the Catholic Church, the very Church which Jesus Christ Himself established. According to the teaching of this Church, founded by Christ, Sola Scriptura is a distorted, truncated view of Christian authority. Rather, the true rule of faith for the followers of Christ is this:

The immediate or direct rule of faith is the teaching of the Church; the Church in turn takes her teaching from Divine Revelation – both the written Word, called Sacred Scripture, and the oral or unwritten Word, known as "Tradition," which together form the remote or indirect rule of faith.

Scripture and Tradition are the inspired sources of Christian doctrine, while the Church – a historical and visible entity dating back to St. Peter and the Apostles in an uninterrupted succession – is the infallible teacher and interpreter of Christian doctrine.

It is only by accepting this complete Christian rule of faith that followers of Christ know they are adhering to all the things that He commanded His Apostles to teach (cf. Matt. 28:20). It is only by accepting this complete Christian rule of faith that the followers of Christ are assured of possessing the whole truth which Christ taught, and nothing but that truth.

Rose42

Nicely done again Radiance. You've shown the Catholic church has no Biblical basis for it's doctrine! Protestants prove Sola Scripture with God's word. Catholics have - just words.

bahmer

Amen and Amen