Ve'hoe

Please dont regale me with another bullshit story, that you dont know what Pruitt-Igoe was,,,,,
and that you are "DOWN fo duh Black Schtruggle",,, an a memba ob BLM,,, which does a whole lotta goot things for blacks"

Yet you dont know the facts, dont know the truth, dont know where they live, dont know how they are governed, dont know how they suffer due to your liberal lies and propaganda.... you have your slaves back......

See,,, nothing changes with dems,,, just the slick backed hair, and used car salesman suit.... ie snakeskin

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

My point was mainly about the rhetoric, not guns or ammo. The right wing engages is dehumanizing rhetoric about those with whom they disagree yet pretend they are oh, so logical. They conveniently forget their violent rhetoric about the last President. People like Ve'hoe, whose outrage is so selective, seem to have no clue about their own involvement in creating the political climate we live in. They wanted to put a noose around Obama but whine like infants at a modernized Julius Caeser.
I know that there are liberals and conservatives in both religions, but the rhetoric of the right wingers seems to toss in everyone who disagrees with them into the same pot.

And, just to toss another point, I'm often amused by that American right wingers do not see their fraternal relationship to the conservative jihadis and the rhetoric concerning God, guns, and ammo. I think it's just a matter of time before some of the more extremist elements of the right form their own version of ISIS. They have a lot in common.

straightUp Loc: California

Yeah, just like that other tired old myth that 2+2=4.


Nixon's Southern Strategy has a lot to do with it, but it was really caused by Johnson's Great Society and Reddit isn't a good source for history. Reddit=opinions.


OK, so essentially the reason why my assertion is false is because you have a different opinion... Got it.

Oh, and Goldwater wasn't "far before the Civil Right Act or the Southern Strategy". The Civil Rights Act was signed into the law the same year Goldwater lost his election bid and Goldwater was instrumental in Nixon's Southern Strategy.

Something else, you are TOTALLY missing in your effort to bury the truth in a pile of names and generalizations. The direction of political parties isn't "defined" by politicians. They evolve as an organic dialog between politicians and the people. Politicians study the people, looking for what they might respond to. Nixon and Goldwater saw the frustration that conservative Democrats in the south were expressing, especially the overtly racists voters who were flipping the bird at Johnston and the entire Democratic Party and they incorporated that into their strategy.

Here's an election map from 1920...

http://www.270towin.com/historical_maps/1920_large.png

So to believe your story, I would have to imagine that everyone in places like California, Washington, Illinois, New York and New England all decided to change their ideologies, their very culture and political identity because that is so much more believable than switching parties. I would have to believe that all the former slave states were bleeding heart liberals, while it was the people in the North that resisted the Civil Rights movement.

You might as well be insisting the world is flat.


Liberalism and conservatism is pretty consistent around the world and has been essentially the same since the French Revolution. But you can't accept that because it's sooo important for you to insist that political parties are the unchanging, steadfast pillars of culture, surpassing the churches and the industries and everything else that ties people to their ideologies.


And it was the Republicans that first integrated the Progressive ideals into government policy... remember your point about Teddy Roosevelt and his "progressive wing of the GOP? Also, keep in mind that classic-liberalism has never changed... It's the same thing it ever was... what you are referring to as "so-called liberalism today" did not evolve from classic liberalism. Classic liberalism is only an economic perspective, not a political one as as such it's been supported and opposed by both the major parties depending on the issue. Political liberalism is applying the same basic concept of freedom to politics that classic liberalism applies to the economy. When Lincoln stood up for the slaves he was one of the liberal Republicans pushing for political freedom. It wasn't because they were black, it's because they were being excluded. Today, people are still being excluded and just like in 1860 they are being excluded by conservatives not liberals. The immigration issue is a perfect example of that and the reason why it's the Republicans leading the charge against immigration is because Republicans are the conservatives now.


I think you're just confusing political affiliation with deep rooted ideology. Your dead wrong Mr. B.... Deep rooted ideology has changed very little since the days of Tories and Whigs long before there even WAS a Democratic or Republican party.

Mr Bombastic

I think you may be replying to the wrong person. Do you believe that Liberals and Conservatives switched sides? Because that is what I was debunking.

Mr Bombastic

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Your map surprised me in that I don't think people were using red and blue as indicators of which party you were talking about. It seems to me that we started using red and blue in 2000 when the Dems managed to lose the election. That was the one that they claimed had been stolen from them although plenty of proof had been provided for them.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Man, you are such a self-righteous asshole. Had to get your digs in, didn't you? America DID NOT bring chaos to the middle east, you ignorant twit. Islamic terrorists did that, and are doing that. Muslims have been creating chaos for 1400 years.

Now, you can wallow in your conspiratorial bullshit til hell freezes but it won't change the FACTS. 9/11 WAS NOT an inside job. For all their strengths and weaknesses, for all their flaws and the poor decisions they made, George Bush and Dick Cheney are not evil men. There is no way they would have, or could have, perpetrated such an evil thing. I don't care what you think you have as evidence, none of it is remotely plausible, I don't care how many questions you ask, they are all the wrong ones. But, go ahead, fool, give Islamic terrorists a pass, honor them for being such peace loving waifs, praise them for minding their own business, and just blame America.

If you are not going to seek treatment for paranoid schzophrenia, it is no skin off of my ass.

Steve700

We are responsible for the destabilization and what has happened in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya and our activities there, destabilizing everything, has been a factor in popularizing and aggravating Lebanon's Hezballa into terrorist war actions against Israel. I don't know what is wrong with you because it is totally common knowledge now, that we have been funding, supporting and supplying the jihadist. Touting these people as being moderates who want change, which is bull shit. In the Mideast it is the most organized and the most extreme leading those movements and those are not moderates that it will be, but those extremists that grab the reins of power when the government falls. This has been Obama's intentions as is portrayed by the pictures below. --- Didn't you notice that Obama was all happy when the Muslim brotherhood guy took over Egypt and started Islamizing it, and upset when the Army took him out because of his Islamization of the country. And don't you know that in Syria Assod was killing terrorists and protecting the Christians. And that it was those rebels who became ISIS and came out of Syria. There was no reason for Obama to tell Assad that he had to go other than to destabilize the country and turn it over to the Islamist Muslim brotherhood.

What a brain-dead response to suggest that I give Islamic terrorists a pass just because I know 9/11 was an inside job. (either in whole or part) Of course the questions I ask, to you are the wrong ones. The very questions themselves are an embarrassment to you because there is just simply is no other answer other than that 9/11 was an inside job. And there is something very wrong with you that you can't face the facts and remain rational and logical rather than running into denial and ignoring facts as if they didn't exist. I don't blame America. I blame the real ruling elite, the illuminati, globalist deep state or whatever you want to call it that has hijacked our government. Apparently your dumb ass doesn't even know that that even exists, or that we have been undergoing a slow motion coup by the Communist globalists for over 20 years. Read the following which as you will realize when you read it that it is most of the way to completion. This communist takeover of our country must occur first in order to acclimate us into the coming one world government.



IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES --- Thursday, January 10, 1963

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS FOR THE OVERTHROW OF AMERICA The Vast Majority Of Which Have Already Been Fulfilled
1. U.S. Acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. Willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. As the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. As by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

Blade Runner: how is it that all these Muslims from these Mideast countries know who and what Obama is and what he's been doing, that it is the who has brought all this chaos, but you and the liberals haven't a clue ???

Steve700

You are really sick man. As Turkey's Erdogan said: "To talk about moderate Islam is insulting. Islam is Islam" and it is you damn fools who partner up with the Muslims, pitting them, with you, against the conservatives (that makes about as much sense as the Japanese partnering up with the Nazis, thinking the Nazis would share power with what the Nazis would obviously perceive as a bunch of little inferior slant eyed gooks if they had won the world) Books have even been written about the Left's insane unholy alliance with Islam. (Insane because they hate the godless more than Christians and they throw your beloved gays off of buildings) To try and draw the moral equivalent or equal comparison of the vitriolic hatred coming from the left as compared to the right, much less to say that the right is worse, is asinine. There is something seriously wrong with you people. You reside in the insane domain of Opposite Land. Obviously in your sickness, you would have preferred a crazy and sickly corrupt bitch who trades her influence and America's favor for personal gain rather than a man who, at his own expense, gave up an easy life doing what he loves to do to root out the embedded establishment corruption and restore this country.

You should also read my post just above this one. It contains important stuff I'm sure you don't know.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Since the topic is 'What if conservatives had made plays like the one about Ceasar's death about Obama?' your whole tirade is simply off-topic. And Obama as Caeser has been done:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/06/12/delta-pulled-funding-from-a-trump-esque-julius-caesar-but-not-for-an-obama-like-version-in-2012/?utm_term=.9cfa4ab6a130

Even Hillary got her turn as Caeser;
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/06/the-misplaced-outrage-over-a-trumpian-julius-caesar/530037/

Steve700

Your deflection, obfuscation and attempt to change the subject is an is utter failure. As you know the conversation always quickly changes from the original topic into other tangents and people reply to the posts they are responding to. That's exactly what I did, was to make a direct response to YOUR statements. You try to change the subject because what I said is embarrassing to you and you can't to refute anything that I have said and if you tried, it would only give further credence to my assertions. You and your leftist ideology is pure evil, based on misplaced hatred of everything good, decent and righteous and uses violence to assert itself. --- Just like that evil play you are trying to change the discourse to, where they will kill Trump and chant "Kill Trump".

Your evil ideology masks itself in a cloak of the nobility of fairness and equality, but teaches hatred of the righteous, (Those who hold Truth, Honesty and Integrity has their prime values) victimhood and creates angry malcontents. It is easy for me to dismantle your assertions that actually have nothing to do with decency, but in fact are a means of trickery that appeals to those lacking spiritual discernment through appealing to their heart. (feelings) It is easy for me to dismantle your assertion. You're a Marxist programmed Useful Idiot that has no idea of the evil you have aligned yourself with.
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Guess why the stars on this poster are upside down. It is because it is all part of the Satanic illuminati's globalist one world agenda for a one world Luciferian communist government. (Do you even know an upside down star is a satanic star)


A few years ago, even though the stars on the Republican elephant logo were turned upside down, signifying that the illuminati had gained full control of the Republican Party as well,although the Democrats lead in the globalist agenda

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

You have not refuted anything except the idea that you are sane.

You, in fact, are exhibit A in my assertion that some folks on the right share many traits with ISIS.

Steve700

I've been very clear and correct and everything that I have said which has totally dismantled and demolished your stupid leftist assertions. You are a deceitful and degenerate piece of self-deluded garbage lacking in any kind of integrity whatsoever. Why do you even bother to respond? -- Other than to annoy! I expect nothing more than immediate denial and insults from the scummy left since there is no intelligent rebuttal possible to those who hold Truth, Honesty and Integrity has their prime values -- You have no alternative but to follow Alinsky's rules: "Accuse them of being who you are & & of doing what you do & insult and use mockery while holding them up to their own standards because there is no defense against mockery"
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You can kiss the Baboons Harry Ass because he is your equal and I wouldn't want your filthy degenerate lips on mine

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Hey Steve, do these words look familiar?:

from: Steve700 (all from/all to)
received on: Jun 18, 2017 03:05:54
You will find it on the bottom half of this page: http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-105325-4.html#2031573 If you wish to reply do it there, not by private message

You sent me a private message asking me to respond. Your stupidity is beyond question.

(To others who PM me, I only publicized this as there was nothing personal in it).

Steve700

I didn't ask for a response, I said if you wanted to respond to do it here.
Why do you waste my time with this nitwittery that isn't worth talking about? I sent you the PM because it had been a couple days and I didn't know if you would be returning to the site to ever see what I put in my valued time to respond to you, a wasted effort though it was.

Go back and reread my post you responded to because I added more to it after you had already responded