You simply must explain how a glaring mistake makes something worthy.
Man makes mistakes, not God.
Why would one place their eternal hope in a mistake is beyond me.
Seems a bit pretentious of man to self declare something worthy.

What some call a rabbit hole I call a search for the truth.
How is anyone to know which god is being worshipped when it make a glaring error which is simply ignored as a rabbit hole?

When all modern versions make the same glaring mistake at the same place, what are we to conclude?
We can conclude they all got their guidance from the same manuscript.
We can therefore conclude all "original" manuscripts are not correct.
I fully understand why someone would not wish to defend a glaring mistake because that rabbit hole runs deep. It may even run to the center of this earth.

The elephant in the room is authority.
Who or what is one's authority, scholarship or God?

Parky60
First let me say it a joy to have a normal discussion and I appreciate your participation. I would like to address your statements as they appear so I will attempt to do this manually.

Parky60 "We know that, in the NT era, salvation comes by grace through faith in Jesus Christ (John 1:12; Ephesians 2:8-9). "
When you use the term "NT" do you mean beginning at Matt 1:1 or at the cross? I will inform you that when I use the term I am referring to the beginning being the cross on the basis of the following:

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Matthew 26:28 KJV
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. Hebrews 9:15 KJV

I say this so there might not be misunderstanding between us.
Yes I agree salvation come by Grace through faith, but here we must qualify which faith. Is it man's personal faith or is it the Faith of Christ?

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Romans 3:30 KJV

We see from the above it is one God (Heb 13:8) who will always treat the Jews one way and Gentiles another. A very important concept if we have the pleasure of also discussing the method of salvation during the coming Tribulation.
Ok, the Gentiles are justified by God through faith which we find in the following:

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Galatians 2:16 KJV

So we see from a simple reading of Rom 3:30 God says He will deal with each group differently.

Parky60 "A common misconception is that Jews were saved by keeping the Law. But we know from Scripture that that is not true. Galatians 3:11 says, “Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for ‘The righteous shall live by faith.’” You might think that this passage only applies to the NT, but Paul is quoting Habakkuk 2:4b: “But the righteous will live by his faith.” So, you see salvation by faith apart from the Law was an OT principle. "
First let's address the word "saved" for one can be saved from something as well as to something. The OT Saints were saved by doing what God told them to do, but as Paul said in Gal 3:11 it is evident no one is justified before God by the Law.
So we see the OT Saint being saved from hell by doing what God instructed, but that action did not justify them giving salvation to Heaven.
I would call attention to the passage you sited, Hab 2:4 with special attention to the little word "his" denoting man's faith, however we see Paul dropped the "he":

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 1:17 KJV

The above tells us the righteousness of God was revealed from man's personal faith to the Faith of Christ.
Had Christ not shown His Faith in the Father, to raise Him from the dead, by Christ's submission to the cross, we would all be without hope.

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Romans 11:6 KJV

One should note in the above it says "no more of works" it does not say never by works.
So now we have a Biblical truth. By the Grace of God the OT Saint was given a plan, a method to keep them from hell until the blood of Christ was shed and could be spread upon them.
In each and every different time period when God dispensed His Grace in a different method we see a common thread: man greatly was blessed by doing what God told Him to do.
God told Adam don't eat of that tree, but he did so God told him to wear these skins.
God told Noah to build an ark, and Noah did that work.
God told Abraham to leave his homeland, and he did.
God told Abraham to sacrifice his only son and Abraham showed his faith by the willingness to do that work.
God told the children to do the things of the Law, and they were blessed by doing the works of the Law.
When someone says their faith keep them from hell simply ask:
Would the OT Saint under the Law faired well had he told God: "I believe in you, but I'm not going to waste my time doing the works of the Law."
I'm afraid that man would find himself in hell along with the rich man of Luke 16.

Parky60 "To prove this, Paul points us to Abraham, who was saved by faith: “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness” (Romans 4:3). Again, Paul quotes the OT to prove his point—Genesis 15:6, this time. Abraham could not have been saved by keeping the Law, because he lived over 400 years before the Law was given!"
Yes, but we cannot just build a theology around what we like; we must consider all scripture.

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
James 2:21 KJV

We see Abraham being justified by works and declared righteous by belief. The problem is there were several chapters and years between the two while our righteousness and justification come in the same moment.
Big difference.

Parky60"So, then you ask that if Abraham was saved by faith, did he go straight to heaven when he died. The answer would be no.

In Matthew 25, Jesus said Gehenna (Tophet, the lake of fire) is prepared for the devil and his angels. Notice I didn’t use the word hell. Technically, there's a difference between hell and Gehenna. We use those words interchangeably. But hell. Or hades. Is simply the place of the dead. It was a temporary place where OT believers such as Abraham went when they died. And unbelievers went to the side of hades that was a place of torment. Both of these aspects are seen in Luke 16, in the story of Lazarus and the rich man.

Continuing, OT believers couldn't go to heaven until the price for their sin was paid. Following His death on the Cross, Jesus descended to hades and "led captivity captive." Or escorted the OT saints to heaven (Ephesians 4:8-10). So, since that time, I believe that that side of hades is empty. And now, all NT believers who die go directly to heaven. We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:8)"

I agree Abraham could not go straight to Heaven because no one can be at the Throne until they are washed by the precious blood of Christ and that blood could not be spread until it was shed.
We need to remember the common thread of all folks in scripture, they find God by doing what God instructed them to do.

One might ask: " Why is this so important?" It is important because the Bible is a Jewish book and one day soon God will again be dealing with His wife during the 7 yr Trib when they are told to not take the mark, to keep the Commandments, and to endure to the end.

If we were to write a letter telling a person on earth during the Tribulation what to do, what would we tell them?

Sounds like a promise. So without playing games can you simply state whether you agree with Zemirah that Abraham was saved just like us, or do you recognize the existence of Like 16:19.... in scripture and at least acknowledge Abraham can't be saved just like us because he did not go to Heaven upon his physical death.

Of course I'm going out on a limb here because I know nothing of your or Zemirah's thoughts on how we are saved today. Perhaps Zemirah does feel there is an element of works involved in salvation today. Don't know, she's been pretty tight lipped with her beliefs.

PS: a few posts above I posted a list of some of my beliefs of our salvation today. Your critique of that list might be a good place to start.

There you go again playing kid games, your dishonest! No your dishonest, no your dishonest.
The best way to prove scriptural honesty is with the scriptures.
Ok, go for it. Tell us if Abraham was saved "just like us". It would be refreshing to hear some Biblical truths from you, and please no recommended reading lists. My 70 yr old eyes can only take so much.

Zemirah I agree there has been little discussion of the true gospel under which we are saved. I tried, I posted a list of things that happen to us upon conversion a few of which follow:
We are placed in Christ,
We are Spiritually circumcised separating the body from the soul,
We are daily washed in the blood so the sins of the flesh no longer stain our soul as they did in the OT,
We are made righteous and justified at the same moment in time,
However you did not even respond to these tenants of Christian salvation, but now you wish to discuss them?

I would be happy to have a Biblical discussion in place of these attempts to assignate my character.
So please begin by proving your statement that Abraham was saved just like us by showing where Abraham or any other OT Saint was gifted as we are above.

Perhaps first you might show father Abraham going straight to Heaven upon his physical death as we do.
Granted I maybe speaking out of turn here for you may indeed feel we are justified by works as the Bible says of Abraham. I know very little of your beliefs except you say Abraham was saved just like us and any serious Bible student is well aware of Luke 16:19.......

Rose42 I don't seem to be able to please you no matter what I do.
If I get down with Biblical specifics, you call me a know-it-all. If I don't you complain about me being to general.
Is there just no pleasing you?
I hope you don't treat the ones in your personal life with such conflict.

The "you read about it somewhere" seems puzzling. First you enter into no basic scriptural discussion, then you give me your preferred list of reading material, and now you are accusing me of doing what you recommend?

At this point I think if I said the cloudless sky is blue, you would argue.

My agenda, hummm, that's a good question because it seems to have changed.
First I came here looking for some good plain old Bible discussion.
Then a statement was made by one of your leaders to the effect Abraham was saved just like us.
I simply pointed out the Bible tells a different story and asked for Biblical proof.
Then all "hades" broke out. Folks started calling me names and throwing character assignations my way for even questioning the authority of your leader.

Now my agenda seems to have shifted to the Biblical instruction that teaches if a person wishes to make a fool of themself, get out of their way.

Not if you don't understand the answer.

Calvinism teaches certain individuals, chosen by God before the foundation of the world, are predestined to salvation.
The Bible teaches God predestined what He would do with an individual after they choose God through there own free will choice

That's saddening to hear. For a minute there I thought we had an honest scholar in our midst.
I find it hard to believe any child of God truly searching for the inspired word of God would compare the search to chasing rabbits.
Oh well, each to his own I guess.

Hummmm, great question. I don't read and study the KJB because of preference, I use it out of duty and respect to God.
I do believe we do have God's inspired word for us today in English. That's the challenging hurdle because after that hurdle is crossed it only becomes one of elimination. Various versions are easily eliminated by simple comparison. So far the KJB stands head and shoulders above the crowd.

So far as limiting myself, I must ask what does self interest have to do with it? My authority is God, not self. I'm not looking for something that makes me feel good or which says things I find agreeable. I'm seeking the whole council of God and attempting to adjust myself to it, not the other way around.

Ok, you don't like just comparing to the niv so let's compare to other popular versions. Pick any modern version you wish and check out what it teaches at Num 14:30 then compare that teaching to Heb 3:16 in the same version.
Surely you agree Joshua and Caleb followed Moses out of Egypt and surely you agree both entered the Promised Land.
Now I must ask why do the modern versions disagree with themselves on this point?
Do you not find it an insult to God Himself by contributing this apparent disagreement to Him when a babe in Christ says the modern versions are the word of God?
I hardly think the God of the Bible would make such a mistake.

So far as you or anyone here telling me what I should or should not do, in Biblical matters I only take council from those whose perceived Biblical knowledge I respect.

Since you feel free to tell me what I should do let me answer in kind.
You should do a word search in the version of your choice on the word "pride."

"Aforetime for ever and ever", ok, so I assume you agree the KJB writing of "everlasting" is correct while the niv writing of "ancient times" is lacking.

While you are doing fine research perhaps you might also tell us which of the following is correct according to"

Doubtless ye shall not come into the land, concerning which I sware to make you dwell therein, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun.
Numbers 14:30

Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt?
Hebrews 3:16 NIV
Or
For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
Hebrews 3:16 KJV

I did not say them, I said they are Calvinist and Calvinism is a cancer upon Christianity.
But of course one must be familiar with Calvinism to fathom my point.

I do agree with you that Biblical discernment seems in short supply here.
I've posed many, many simple doctrinal questions and as yet not one addressed.
All I get is a recommended reading list that no one seems to have even read because they cannot repeat an idea of their beloved authors.

I can discern Luke 16 is in the Bible and it plainly shows Abraham did NOT go to Heaven upon his physical death.
I doubt they even presented that little nugget because all commentators have an agenda and they do Not discern anything of the Bible that defeats their worshipped agenda.
I doubt they presented it because as yet you have not even acknowledged that the passage is in the Bible.
And you speak of discernment?

It's not a matter of my discernment which should concern you.
It is a matter of the discernment of your precious authors compared to the word of God.

Who is your authority?

And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Matthew 15:16 KJV

Ok, which is it? Did God create Jesus in ancient times as in the niv?
Or is it that Jesus is God from everlasting as in the KJB?

“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”
Micah 5:2 NIV

Or, perhaps Jesus is God.

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Micah 5:2 KJV