ginnyt wrote:
I do not have a problem with the concept of Rapture because God can do anything. I just have been unable to find reference, outside of the writing of Saul that comes close to a prophesy of Rapture. Certainly it is not part of the OT and now that I have read the NT for the unknown times, I gave up the count at 20 and that was before I was 16. I am back reading it again, but it is slow going. It has been 12 years now that I have used my Greek language sk**ls. So I have to stop and review the verses a couple of times to ensure no mistakes. I know it would be easy to read it in English or German, but I prefer the native language.....or at least the closest to the original text that can be found.
I do believe in the Bible because much of it has been verified by separate accounts. You have read it, you know that it is written that to have something verified there must be two witnesses that are not close to the person that is being verified.
I have problems with Saul due to the conflicts I find in his writings and the issues he had the Jesus' hand selected Apostles. Quite the problem. And the fact that according to the DSS he was excommunicated before his last arrest. Other than that, I find the bible filled with information, guidance, and reassurance.
I would welcome your direction to an author, other than Saul, where references of the Rapture can be located. The notion of escaping before everything gets worse than now is very attractive. But, before I believe, I will need to see where Jesus said it because I know that it is no place in the OT.
Many thanks
Ginny
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Hi Ginny. There are numerous references to the rapture in the bible. The bible doesn't say anything about Paul being excommunicated. Problems you have with Paul have to do with not understanding what he has written in his letters to the churches in Asia.
Here's reference to the rapture:
John 14:1-3: First mention of the rapture of the church Jesus says
1 - Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God believe ye also in me.
2 - In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 - And if I go and prepare a place for you I will come again and receive you unto myself: that where I am ye may be also.
1 Corinthians 15: 51-56,
1 Thessalonians 4: 16-18 says:
16 - For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 - Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
So you see, the bible does talk about the rapture. There are many, many references to this great event. Even in Revelation. We just need to stop looking elsewhere other than the bible when we seek t***h. For the bible is the only place you will find it. Not in the DDS, wh**ever that is, or any writings of man.
I read Dakes Annotated Reference Bible, King James Version that has a concordance gives the original Hebrew or Greek word used. Never ever read the NIV. The NIV is man's vain attempt to do the work of the Holy Spirit and changes God's Word without His permission. God said to not add to His word or take away from it and woe unto those that do.
May I ask that if Hebrew or Greek is not your native tongue, why are you using those to understand? This is not helping you. A good reference bible with a concordance in King James Version that gives you the original Hebrew or Greek used and explains how it is used. Also the only thing you need to verify scripture is with scripture and nothing else. A good reference bible will give you other scripture to back up and verify points being discussed in scripture. Never go anywhere else but God's Holy Word to verify anything. I highly recommend the Dakes Annotated Reference Bible.
Hope this helps increase your understanding.