Recently, the Ds have been identifying the Koch Brothers as the source of a whole lot of money $$$ being given to support the ultra right wing NJs of the so-called R Party. They gave a minimum of $450,000,000 in the 2012 e******n and are pouring it in right now in an attempt to buy this e******n.The Koch's and many of their billionaire friends, perhaps 27, are pulling off one of the biggest s**ms in US political history. They actually have bought off a whole lot of white people and made them believe that they are on their side. They have managed to sell, actually buy, the extreme premise that small or no government,no taxes, no immigration, no education system,no unions, no minimum wage, no state or federal parks, no regulations, etc.,etc.,etc., is the best course for the country. They have managed to take the so called Conservative party so far to the right that conservative moderates may have finally woke up and found that the middle has moved to the right, drastically, and that they are now liberals. The rest of you wake up! They want to destroy Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid among other programs including all government pensions and medical plans. As such it's pointed directly at the Middle Class.That includes the VA and other Veteran benefits.
The Koch's believe or at least say, they are libertarians, but in actuality,they are Birchers. They have managed to spread the Bircher or maybe modified N**i/F*****t beliefs of a splinter organization co-founded in the late fifties by their father called The John Birch Society. He was obviously impressed by Hitler or Hitlers scheme, who he made his money selling oil products to. The John Birch Society still exists and is headquartered in Wisconsin. No apparent ties appear to exist at this time but there is high Koch interest in Wisconsin Politics. This includes ALEC and Koch funding to legislatures and their governor. The v**er suppression in the US can be traced back to them. This includes anti-female laws in states. Koch's ALEC probably wrote them.
These Koch's and Bircher club have r****d the game so bad that 400 of them received 95% or the increase in GDP last year. Their mission is almost complete. An article just last week noted that the US was not a democracy any longer but an Oligarchy. Just a better word for N**i/F*****t. The leaders are Birchers and perhaps the other strong religious money grubbers,the Mormons.
Senator Bernie Sanders has written an article on the Koch's that everybody should read. These people have another goal which is to take everything you have. They want to control it all. That's the real s**m and the TPers have fallen for it hook ,line,and sinker.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-bernie-sanders/who-are-the-koch-brothers_b_5165995.html

People like Old Gringo are some of the worst to go around making crazy claims like that women don't get pregnant when their raped. Old Gringo, come back and post some more after yo mama teaches you the facts of life.

In 2012 the Tea Bag Party cost the Republican Party two sure victories plus the TBP damaged the GOP's standing with women not to mention depressed the GOP female turnout nation wide, yet still the TeeTee Bag Party can't see the Tea Party's negative impact on American E******ns. I've said it in these pages before, and I'll say it again that only the politician who is able to get elected is worth a dang to his party. If he can't get elected he can't do anything. As my Grand-Daddy used to say, "That makes Bevin the Tea Party Candidate from Kentucky about as useful to everybody (the Tea Party included) as teats on a boar hog."

Respectfully, OldSchool, you could not have known many liberals in your numbers of years. If you had, you could not make such a blanket statement. Unless, of course, you are blinded by personal ideology. I'd like to think not. I guess it would depend upon your definition of liberal.

I've known many on both sides of the aisle...liberal and conservative, and there are good people aplenty of each. I would have to say, though, that each side has its' fair share of liars. :wink: Every poster on this thread, up 'til now...I have no reason to think of as less than a proud American Patriot. I do not require them to align with me on everything to meet that standard.

Good men, each and all. :thumbup:

And yet, you don't, your liberal ideology destroys cities, wrecks families, and oppresses my entire people!!

While you maintain that you have ZERO connection to the policies that do so!!

YOU ARE the problem, it is NOT someone else... why can you not see, that the people YOU v**ed in, were the ones murdering that mans cattle in Nevada, and using highpowered long range scoped rifles to take another groups of peoples lands??? And if they resisted, the same govt would have k**led them..

You are not innocent, you are the one who v**ed these people into power, and have said, that you would do so again.