Both of you should consider another perspective... have you ever heard of anthropomorphism? Giving human characteristics to non-human things? While I believe in a Supreme Intelligence, for lack of a better term, what makes you think that an entity capable of creating the entire universe; (or at least starting the creation ball rolling) CAN be understood by humans? I think any attempt to ascribe human like attributes a Being of this nature is an exercise in futility.
Suppose that this "Being" is not supernatural at all but simply an as yet not understood part of the natural order of things? What if survival of consciousness after physical death is simply a natural phenomenon rather than a religious one? There are lots of things we understand imperfectly or not at all. One thing remains consistent about human scientific achievement; whenever we think we have reached some sort of pinnacle, sooner or later we are proven wrong.

John King:

...JW, please give us some background as to why you have posted this question/topic. Do you believe in a "creator God"? Have you been asking this question to yourself? Do you believe there is a God and thus are you searching for more? I am agnostic. I don't know if there is a creator God or not. I constantly see believers attempting to lean on science to prove there is a creator and when science supports them, it's, 'See, THERE!'. When science doesn't suit their particular beliefs, then it's, 'Science is not the answer'; science can't this or science can't that...

If they believe in a creator God, they are functioning on faith. Surely the world around them feeds that faith. They already claim to believe in things that cannot be proven or disproved. Why do they not simply accept the evidence of their eyes. They already claim to accept the evidence of their hearts.

I have no objection to thinking with wh**ever part of the body seems appropriate to anyone's individual needs.

I take great exception to their reaction to those who choose to think with their brains.

It is my belief that, if God exists, God would care about that which was created. God would have reason for creating and thus care about what was created. This would lead one to wonder are there examples of God showing this caring. That really is the fundamental question, what is the evidence that the creator cares about His creation. I look about myself and see no such evidence whatsoever. However, if I was a believer, there is so much in the world to show caring from the perspective of belief... at least from a human's point of view. It's really good for the ego to 'know' that we are images of God, Himself, and the masters of a whole world He made just for us.

The documentation passed down to us found in what we call the Bible declares the concern God has for mankind! It declares that God desires a personal relationship with the creation, especially mankind . . . and has been seeking that relationship throughout the lives of every single person that has existed. Just as it makes no sense that a believer should turn to science to support that belief, it makes no sense for me to turn to any ancient outcome motivated writing to seek my answers.

"Why do you need more?" is the ending question of this topic. I would propose that it is not so much that we need more . . . . but that is God that wants more . . . God wants to restore the kind of relationship that was there when Adam and Eve walked with God in the Garden of Eden. Why do we need more?!? It is because just believing there is a God is inadequate . . . there needs to be a relationship! To me, that comes across like an admonition to not forget our invisible childhood friends.

If I was to turn to the Bible, it would be to 1st Cor. 13:11; When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For me, religion was very much a thing of childhood.

Robert Mueller in his investigation violated the following laws:

The United States Constitution:

4th amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

5th amendment:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the M*****a, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

6th amendment:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, byan impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

14th amendment, Section 1:
Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Up until today, I supported the Mueller Report having only one problem with it. The problem I have with it was the fact that Mueller spoke about exoneration. Based upon the Steele dossier. Now in the FISA court they used the Steele dossier where a few days earlier the British intelligence warned the FBI, CIA, and previous administration that the Steele dossier was false. Like in the case of Rodney King in the early nineties, if the investigators do not properly do their job, the accused is exonerated of would be charges.

Now, I am very disappointed in the Democrats. Go back and examine the facts. Robert Mueller's report, speaks that "there is insufficient evidence to prove the president conspired with the Russians, and there is insufficient evidence that the president has obstructed Justice"

Bob Mueller then writes in his report, "we cannot exonerate the president on the charge of obstruction."

This statement violates the amendments above. It is a failure of due process, and a failure of presuming the accused, in this case the president, to be innocent.

Bob Mueller also failed, in the fact that he is using a policy of the justice department cannot charge a sitting president.

Now, we must look at the rights of the prosecution. The prosecution can and must hold our leaders responsible for their actions if they are criminal. It is the job of the Special Counsel to hold the president responsible if there is evidence of a crime. In the 2016 e******n there was a crime committed, that is conspiracy to defraud the American People and influence the e******n. Special Counsel did find evidence and charged the people responsible.

Now on the case of obstruction. The Mueller report explains that there is no evidence on obstruction. Bob Mueller then refers to Congress. Mueller sends the report to the Attorney General, the deputy attorney general and the attorney general both conclude, No Collusion, No obstruction. Then Mueller appeals to Congress. Here we go.

Congress, according to the Article 1 powers, has the power to bring charges against the president. This process is called "Impeachment". To exercise this power, the House of Representatives have to charge the president of a crime. All those who lived through the Nixon and Clinton Impeachment trials know this to be true. However, a smart prosecutor, in this case the House of Representatives, must present compelling evidence to the judge, which in this case will be the Senate.

In the case of collusion, Robert Mueller contends that the president is not guilty. In the case of obstruction, Robert Mueller contends there is not enough evidence to prove obstruction.

In addition to the Mueller Report, there was also the Senate investigations and House investigations which all concluded that there is no collusion or obstruction.

George Papadopoulos, contends that the FBI, CIA, state department officials, the UK and Australian intelligence, colluded together for the purpose of preventing any candidate from winning the e******n, save just one Hillary Clinton.

Robert Mueller did not need to speak today. He should not have. But since he did, he violated the above amendments. My fellow Americans, you must keep and protect, the "the accused is innocent until proven guilty". Bob Mueller said that. Therefore, Bob, the president is innocent until the prosecution proves his guilt. Three investigations proved no evidence that the President interfered with the e******n. So who did?

Is George Papadopoulos correct? What if George is correct? So the Dems impeach the president, the president is acquitted and exonerated by the Senate, then what?

William Barr, the attorney general opened an investigation on the investigators. This was the right thing to do. Should the House v**e for impeachment of the president, then this information on the investigators will clearly exonerate the president. However, it does not stop there. If it is found that George Papadopoulos is correct, and the Democrats, the Obama administration, the FBI, CIA, and other foreign intelligence agencies conspired against the President, then it will come out in the Impeachment hearings which could possibly go on for two more years.

As a result, that will be the end of FDR's Democrat party. And here is why, for two years the Democrats have been complaining that the president is guilty, if the evidence exonerates him and shows that the Democrats committed treason, this will propel us back to 1865 when Lincoln was assassinated. When 28 people hung for the murder of Lincoln and when Johnson was impeached.

If it is found that the Obama administration used their power to prevent Trump or any candidate other than Hillary Clinton, to become president, that crime is a crime of treason.

This crime of treason is punishable by death. Agree or disagree with me, but the writing is on the wall, if Trump is impeached, then many people on the left will hang.

But there is a deeper issue here. That issue is the failure of the Government to do their job, that is protect the accused for a fair trial. Failure to obey due process of law. Failure to presume innocence of the accused. This is why the crime committed here, not by Trump but by his opponents should be called what it is. Treason.

If Trump is not impeached, then a few years investigation by Barr will be longer and eventually, Barr will get to the bottom of the crimes committed but not in the near future. If Trump is impeached, then two lines will be drawn: One side will want the recall of the President. The other side would want an accounting of the President's accusers.

This is why Nancy Pelosi is d**gging her feet at the door of impeachment.

Put the blame where it belongs? When a baby is born with a hole in its heart it's your argument that it's the baby's fault? Or maybe it's the mother's fault or in desperation, I guess we can blame the father? Why is it you cons think your god is blameless? I mean your argument is that he created life and all the ailments that take life are very much a part of creation. When we look at a hole in a heart it's a defect in the DNA and didn't god create DNA?

And since God is all knowing and all powerful with the ability to prophesize wouldn't that mean he can see into the future so would know if a baby was to be born with a hole in its heart before it was even born? Since God created it anyway wouldn't that make him responsible for the defective heart?

As for free will. Suppose you were playing tic tac toe with a player who knew every move before you even made it. Yes, you could choose what move you are going to make but since your opponent would know your next move would your free will even matter?

Impeachment IS on the Democrat/socialist Party's agenda. It has been since Obama, his operatives and appointees in his weaponized intelligence and law enforcement agencies, Hillary, the Democrat/socialist Party, and their accomplices and collaborators in the laughably called mainstream media couldn't c***t Hillary into the White House as they fully expected to be able to do. Then they tried to frame President with the bogus and corrupt Mueller probe. They feel they have to keep talking about impeachment now that Mueller couldn't find any collusion, coordination or conspiracy with the Trump campaign and Russia, because the absolutely s*******s corruption and abuse of power wrapped up in their efforts to overturn an e******n and unseat a duly elected president are about to be exposed for the treasonous activity that is was, and is, (as it is still ongoing.) These arrogant political thugs who hoped to "fundamentally t***sform" America from a free society based on individual liberty and freedom of speech into a banana republic police state, NEVER thought the American people would find out what they did.

Psalm 58:11. "...Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth". There will be spiritual warfare. The righteous against the wicked. The wicked will be cut off and go to Hell. The righteous meek will enter Heaven and inherit the earth at the time of the resurrection. The Messiah will cause his House to be rebuilt. Isaiah 28:16. "...Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste". My followers are scattered all over the world and I have been in hiding. They also do not talk to me because they sincerely believe that I am the Messiah/God.