A sincere question to believers in a creator God…: It would seem to me that the evidence you seek is all around you. The magnificence of a perfect day; the shy beauty of the creatures...

JW

It would seem to me that the evidence you seek is all around you. The magnificence of a perfect day; the shy beauty of the creatures that populate the space around you; the bounty the Earth provides; aren’t those things proof enough for you that your creator God exists? Why do you need more?

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

Why do you need more?

Uh, Oh ...
Just Make Your Point/Accusation

PeterS

JW wrote:

It would seem to me that the evidence you seek is all around you. The magnificence of a perfect day; the shy beauty of the creatures that populate the space around you; the bounty the Earth provides; aren’t those things proof enough for you that your creator God exists? Why do you need more?

Why do people who have faith need evidence of god?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

JW wrote:

It would seem to me that the evidence you seek is all around you. The magnificence of a perfect day; the shy beauty of the creatures that populate the space around you; the bounty the Earth provides; aren’t those things proof enough for you that your creator God exists? Why do you need more?

I think your answer lies within your query...

"aren’t those things proof enough for you that your creator God exists? "

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

No

I Think The 'Why Do You Need More'
Is What We Need To Know More About
That's What This Will Hinge On

We'll See When He Elaborates

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

JW wrote:

It would seem to me that the evidence you seek is all around you. The magnificence of a perfect day; the shy beauty of the creatures that populate the space around you; the bounty the Earth provides; aren’t those things proof enough for you that your creator God exists? Why do you need more?

They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; These see the works of the Lord, and his wonders in the deep.
Psalm 107: 23-24

As magnificent as God's physical creation is, as much as we enjoy it, and as often as we thank Him for it, the greatest evidence is in our transcendent and personal relationship with Him. This is what He wants.

When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; What is man that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Psalm 8: 3-5

God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Acts 17: 24-28

Kevyn

JW wrote:

It would seem to me that the evidence you seek is all around you. The magnificence of a perfect day; the shy beauty of the creatures that populate the space around you; the bounty the Earth provides; aren’t those things proof enough for you that your creator God exists? Why do you need more?

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

QUOTE=Kevyn

Your belief is your business, however you have a grave misunderstanding.... neither G*d nor Jesus created cancer, tumors, arthritis, nose bleeds or any other ailment human may acquire in life. Along with free will comes great responsibility.... and it is those decisions we make which rewards us with disease. Indeed, many rewards we receive may not affect this generation, but is passed on as an inherited issue. So, don't blame G*d or Jesus.... put the blame where it belongs.

Texas Truth Loc: Behind Enemy Lines

When people help people they are doing God's work. When you relieve another person of their burdens you help yourself anyways you do not know. Who says this? When man helps man with his ailments or burdens you are doing God's work and sometimes the results are they of God's will. Cancer for instance. But when is time and when the Lord says come up here then it is time to go. It doesn't matter how a person dies what matters is that the Lord has called upon you at a time of his choosing. We cannot question this or argue with it as I will not. When it is my time I have many thanks towards the heavenly father for everything.

badbob85037

JW wrote:

It would seem to me that the evidence you seek is all around you. The magnificence of a perfect day; the shy beauty of the creatures that populate the space around you; the bounty the Earth provides; aren’t those things proof enough for you that your creator God exists? Why do you need more?

There is also the Bible. The odds a book written that long ago to predict the future with 100% accuracy is greater than the grains of sand on the earth to one. It tells us the Earth is round and suspended by nothing, the atom and everything in between. Ones that deny the Bible are ones that have never read it.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

I need no external evidence, for did not Jesus say, to His doubting Apostle, Thomas, who insisted on seeing the nail prints in His hands and feet), "Blessed are those who do not see and yet believe."

As a Bible believing, born again Christian, the Holy Spirit dwelling within me and the Word of God (Bible) informs me of God's will and purpose for mankind.

I, and all Christians seek to complete the Great commission given us by Jesus Christ.

Mark 16:15 "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation (πάσῃ τῇ κτίσει)."

The search for evidence of His existence is for you and all those who do not yet believe, not for believers in Jesus Christ.

JW wrote:

It would seem to me that the evidence you seek is all around you. The magnificence of a perfect day; the shy beauty of the creatures that populate the space around you; the bounty the Earth provides; aren’t those things proof enough for you that your creator God exists? Why do you need more?

Richard Rowland

JW wrote:

It would seem to me that the evidence you seek is all around you. The magnificence of a perfect day; the shy beauty of the creatures that populate the space around you; the bounty the Earth provides; aren’t those things proof enough for you that your creator God exists? Why do you need more?

"The shy beauty of the creatures that populate the space around you" It won't be long, and there will be no creatures in the space around you. Man is cancer to the planet. Still, if a God went to the trouble of creating this beautiful planet, why was it populated with i***ts whose every act chips away at its beauty.

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

badbob85037 wrote:

There is also the Bible. The odds a book written that long ago to predict the future with 100% accuracy is greater than the grains of sand on the earth to one. It tells us the Earth is round and suspended by nothing, the atom and everything in between. Ones that deny the Bible are ones that have never read it.

And Turned Sciences Into VooDoo Religion
Based On Make Believe Science Fiction Fantasy
Saying Fact With-Out Any Observable Proof
Ignoring The Scientific Method

PeterS

Pennylynn wrote:

QUOTE=Kevyn br br Your belief is your business, h... (show quote)

Put the blame where it belongs? When a baby is born with a hole in its heart it's your argument that it's the baby's fault? Or maybe it's the mother's fault or in desperation, I guess we can blame the father? Why is it you cons think your god is blameless? I mean your argument is that he created life and all the ailments that take life are very much a part of creation. When we look at a hole in a heart it's a defect in the DNA and didn't god create DNA?

And since God is all knowing and all powerful with the ability to prophesize wouldn't that mean he can see into the future so would know if a baby was to be born with a hole in its heart before it was even born? Since God created it anyway wouldn't that make him responsible for the defective heart?

As for free will. Suppose you were playing tic tac toe with a player who knew every move before you even made it. Yes, you could choose what move you are going to make but since your opponent would know your next move would your free will even matter?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Pennylynn wrote:

QUOTE=Kevyn br br Your belief is your business, h... (show quote)

Atheists who believe God is responsible for all the ills and disease and flaws in human existence are contradicting themselves. If atheists believe God does not exist, how can they justify arguing that He is responsible for anything?

Though he denies the existence of anything outside the world of physical cause and effect, the atheist depends upon a process of reasoning that cannot exist inside it. Since proving something requires reason and logic, the atheist must depend on a principle which he denies in order to make his point.

Thus atheism is irrational.

The implications of this idea for questions of morality and ethics are profound indeed. Though most people would agree that you should refrain from murdering your father, for example, the atheist cannot explain where this rule comes from, or why it should be obeyed.