And if we don't stand and fight on this then where and when will we try and stand against the government. If we don't fight now we will one step closer to socialism and that thought doesn't thrill me at all. I know some think socialism is great and most who think that way have never tasted socialism. If ACA is implemented and another president with OI******s mentality wanted to make the American people hurt so that he could get his way and attacked the healthcare of the people then what. What if he should shut down all of the hospitals and clinics like he did the national parks then what. You are putting yourself in their hands and at their mercy.

No it's not and it never will.

Our medical system, prior to ObamaCare was the best in the world. Over 80% of the population was covered under insurance and for the most part people were satisfied with it.

The problems people complained about were problems created by the government.

The AMA is the sole issuer of doctor licenses, A private group limiting the number of doctors available to the public. This creates an artificial shortage that allows doctors to charge more because, citizens have limited choices.

When drug companies over charge for their drug, the government subsidies them with tax payer money. When people go out side the United States to by the drug from other countries, the government makes that illegal, forcing Americans to pay for over priced drugs.

The law prohibited citizens from purchasing policies across state lines. Limiting the ability for citizens to shop around, prohibiting competition among insurance companies.

Lastly our court systems are set up to make lawyers rich, not dispense justice.

All of these problems are created by the government interfering with the market and the freedoms of it's people.

Then the last 20% of the population was taken care of by Medicare and Medicaid and other government programs. These programs are so badly run that they are bankrupting the United States, along with Social Security and other government run programs.

So what ObamCare did was take the 80% that was working and replaced it with the 20% that was bankrupting the country.

If you still can't figure that out, go to the link below.

American Economic Collapse, martial law and the coming fall of America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUJ-r4b0n9A

They don't have to worry about bankrupting the country anymore. They have already done it. Pray tell me how we are going to pay back 17 trillion dollars in 6 lifetimes at the rate they keep throwing money away? I believe all this Obamacare amounted to was a plan to force the working man to cough up more money that they don't have to to support the same amount of bums, excluding those that actually need help because of physical reasons, who are simply too lazy to work and would rather survive off the welfare tit than get a job. And I want to tell you something right now. If you don't believe they are capable of working, just pick one and follow them around and you will soon see them do things that many working people couldn't physically do.

How condescending!

It is your fuzzy thinking that is sinking the proverbial boat in which you find yourself.

Those of us you wish to awaken, actually, propagandize, were awake this entire time, for the masses you speak of existed in the middle ages in far-away lands.

Americans have never been intelligently referred to as "the masses" as we're all individuals out here in the "hinterland."

I don't know what you consider the "right wing agenda" to be, as you appear to be capable only of ridiculing it, and totally incapable of articulating it, and if you did you'd be wrong.

You worry about the past. We're worried about the future, as the malicious i***ts in charge of the country are busily trying to destroy it, as you stand amidst your conspiracy theories.

We understand from whence we came, as well as where we're going. You, not so much.

OK, but don't give me crap about people who don't need insurance. if I had been smart enough to know that i did need it when young and healthy, I would not be in this fix now, and would not owe so much. I want you to consider the couple who brought the constitutionality of the ACA before the Supreme Court. They had a combined incomer of over 100K a year. They chose not to be covered. Then the husband got cancer. the ran up millions in medical bills, took out a bankruptcy on it (Now who's the deadbeat?) and then sued because they did not want to have to buy insurance.
The reasoning behind everyone being covered is simple. With proper medical care, including well, preventative care, your lifetime costs are lower. The total health care bill for the country goes down. The costs of ER visits plummet because they are not being used as General practitioners who's bills have to be split by everyone else. Instead they can have regular Dr visits which cost much less.
The cost of the insurance gets split between a much larger pool, most of the one joining the pool of insured are those who are healthy and otherwise would not be getting insurance, so the costs per covered person goes down.
Those savings are funneled directly into paying for the coverage, along with the fines for those who opt out and a few new taxes, such as the one on durable medical equipment.
The only reason for rates to go up is the greed of the insurance companies, which was the major reason that the original intent was to have a single payer system, where profit is not a motive.
I have done the math.. and unlike many, I read, study, and make sure that I understand an issue thoroughly before opening my mouth to either advance or decry it.

I think we all know the real reason why there are so many people out there who h**e Obama. We can and should debate his policies, but the talk about assassinating him is going on because there are people who think he was being "uppity" when he dared to run for President, that he was being "uppity" by attempting to do the job after being elected, and that he was being "uppity" by running for ree******n.
We should be debating governmental policies, but we should be doing so in a civilized manner.

So tell me how to converse intelligently with a bunch of i***ts that are still trying to blame the Republicans for shutting down the government? If anyone with an ounce of brains had watch the byplay between the democrats and Republicans, and paid attention the many time the Republicans tried to save the government shutdown by giving in a little more to the Democrats, only to be told that unless they v**ed to fund Obamacare, all bets were off. If they had an ounce of sense they would admit that it was the Democrat's fault that our government is now shut down. Does this healthcare really mean the difference between a solvent government or no government at all? the American people and Republican party seem to believe we can do away with Obamacare in it's entirety, and still have a workable government, so what is the real reason that Obama and Reid can't accept it? And I mean the real reason, not some BS story about how Reid and Obama love the people so much that they want everyone to live in a utopia.