Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

We have been doing a bang up job of how we disagree.

Now lets look for areas that we can agree on.

I would say that most would agree on that there is a mess out there.

Lets stop bashing from the Right & the Left.

The issues we have are between The have & have not.

When is enough enough.

Just where should the line be between the have & have not.

We are having fewer have & more have not.
Why is that good or is that bad.

Those that seek to have the most feel getting more will make that safer. Getting more dose not make them safer so they seek more.

Security is had when those around you are secure.

Decreasing the security of others makes the world a less safe place.

Wishing security one should see that more people become secure.

Just what makes people secure?

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

[quote=Floyd Brown]We have been doing a bang up job of how we disagree.

Now lets look for areas that we can agree on.

I would say that most would agree on that there is a mess out there.
[color=red]Yes, I think we agree.[/color=red]

Lets stop bashing from the Right & the Left.
[color=red]Good thought. The only way that will happen is with a miracle. What the left wants is the exact opposite of what most Americans want. For them to have their way is for the right to give up. And the right cannot change the left. The left will die before they give up, and most on the right will too.[/color=red]

The issues we have are between The have & have not.
[color=red]We part company here. I do not see that as an issue. The issue is that the political left is determined to control the rest of us, and the rest of us WILL NOT BE CONTROLLED BY wannabe dictators.[/color=red]

When is enough enough.
[color=red]When we die. [/color=red]

Just where should the line be between the have & have not.
[color=red] There should be no line. That is totally unAmerican. Everyone has the absolute right to do as well as he can, and it is evil to arbitrarily stop him from doing so.[/color=red]
We are having fewer have & more have not.
Why is that good or is that bad.
[color=red]. It is neither good nor bad. It is what it is in a free country. Socialists can force all the serfs to be equal. So can c*******ts. So can dictators. A free country cannot and SHOULD NOT draw lines beyond which a person cannot excel.

Those that seek to have the most feel getting more will make that safer. Getting more dose not make them safer so they seek more. [color=red]Your premise is flawed. You are depicting YOUR feelings as others', and it simply is not true. Only the greedy, and often lazy, feel as you seem to feel. I am not wealthy, and it doesn't bother me that most Americans have more than I. I live my life, they live theirs. I am not willing to do some of the things they do to have more. That is MY CHOICE.[/color=red]

Security is had when those around you are secure.
[color=red]Agreed. Problem arises when security is top priority with some people whereas freedom is top priority with others.[/color=red]

Decreasing the security of others makes the world a less safe place. [color=red]Agreed. What is your point?[/color=red]

Wishing security one should see that more people become secure.[color=red]Good thought. The political left in this country didn't think so when Bush sent troops into Iraq and took out their tyrannical dictator. Why not?[/color=red]

Just what makes people secure?[/quote]
[color=red]What makes people secure, or what makes people FEEL secure? Secure from harm? Secure from money worries? Secure from an enemy's nuclear bomb? What do you mean when you use the word, security?

What makes the fortunate people secure is their belief in a higher being that looks after them, works miracles for them, keeps them safe. They KNOW that this life isn't the end, hence they don't spend a lot of time worrying about security because they know they have it in the next life. All of their needs won't be met on earth, and they accept that, but ALL of their needs will be met when this life ends.

I hope this answers your questions.[/color=red]

Whatamess Loc: SC

Tasine, I Love your response!
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

[quote=Tasine][color=red]What makes people secure, or what makes people FEEL secure? Secure from harm? Secure from money worries? Secure from an enemy's nuclear bomb? What do you mean when you use the word, security?

What makes the fortunate people secure is their belief in a higher being that looks after them, works miracles for them, keeps them safe. They KNOW that this life isn't the end, hence they don't spend a lot of time worrying about security because they know they have it in the next life. All of their needs won't be met on earth, and they accept that, but ALL of their needs will be met when this life ends.

I hope this answers your questions.[/color=red][/quote]

I think we are in general agreement on some issues & not so far apart on others.

Freedom can not be had if you lack basic security. We see to be close about security. But we drive apart on just who qualifies for just what.

Enough seems good for some but it is okay for others not to have much. If we agree that it is good to be secure & we are not far apart on what is needed to be secure why is it wrong to ask that those lest well off should be happy with less.

I have a bit more than modest means it would please me if more were as well off as I.

The lack of security for some has a bearing on every one.
Some have built a cushion of security from the woes of the world. part of that cushion is those of us who have less of a cushion & are in line of fire for things that go wrong.

All in all you have a nice day.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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How do you define "basic security"? Are you talking about money, about safety from harm, about someone loving you, all of the above, none of the above? The word "security" to me has many different connotations, and I don't know where you are coming from. It makes responding difficult.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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Thanks. Not yet sure how he defines the word "security". It has so many meanings.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

You had listed some things I thought that you may have thought were important.

Each person list will be different or things in different order.

Being secure is as much mental as actual.
Being secure means having decent food, clothing, shelter
& having a fair chance in enjoying some of the gains that are produced.

As for my self I feel that as the number or people that are left out of what I call the main stream of life there is a greater increase of acts that are harmful to the main stream of life. In a word crime.

I do not at all feel secure with. the effects of the impact form sources that use money made in the market place & buy v**es for congress to do things that are harmful to me.

When some ones money is treated as more important than others efforts & taxed at a lower rate that takes from the well being of others.

Talking about a free market place being good is okay but just where is this market place.

You don't have to look too far to see how the market place is not quite as free as you would seen to think.

How can one think they are free & secure when just a few can do things to make things better for them self & harder for others.

Just how long have you been around?

We choose to see & believe what we want. There are those who, yes, I will say brain washed & they will support things that are not in their best interest.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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Too tired to do a decent response tonight. Will get back to you tomorrow - if I don't, then YOU contact me ..... I don't want to leave this h*****g.

Cowboy Pat

Wonderful reply

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

It's not that I find some having much more than others it is just that they do things with that money that are not in the best interest for most of us.

We spend our money to buy what they are selling, but then use that money in ways that make harder to buy more things.

vernon

people like me working for 40 yrs and educating my kids so they can be self supporting that is what makes people secure ,not depending on government for their substance

vernon

there will always be rich and poor .some people are driven to make more and there are others that want to just sit and do nothing,why should the productive be forced by govt to support them

vernon

[quote=Tasine][color=red]What makes people secure, or what makes people FEEL secure? Secure from harm? Secure from money worries? Secure from an enemy's nuclear bomb? What do you mean when you use the word, security?

What makes the fortunate people secure is their belief in a higher being that looks after them, works miracles for them, keeps them safe. They KNOW that this life isn't the end, hence they don't spend a lot of time worrying about security because they know they have it in the next life. All of their needs won't be met on earth, and they accept that, but ALL of their needs will be met when this life ends.

I hope this answers your questions.[/color=red][/quote]

tasine i wish i had the ability to speak like that,that was beautiful :thumbup:

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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Thanks, Vernon. I realize life is not a bowl of cherries for everyone, self included. And it is a lot harder for some than for others - and there is not a single thing that can be done to change that. Rather than complaining that one is not secure - and I am BIG on security - people who are concerned should set about MAKING THEIR LIVES, THEIR WELL-BEING SECURE rather than expecting someone else to make them secure.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

If one is to truly look & how things run in this country.

Most of the government programs that are enacted that people like your see as bad are really plans to enrich others. Or at least others find ways to profit from them & the ACA is no different.

ACA may work or not work but if left to do what it was
meant to do & some don't find ways to skim money from it, it will be okay.

Medical care & drugs plans that are set up to help people end up with much of that money going to hospital doctors, drug companies & other businesses.

So it would seem tax payers may pay, but the money comes back to the market place.

If the private sector dose not see that the wages are enough to keep the market place running smoothly then the government steps in to keep the money flowing & the market place busy.

So if one wants to judge who gets helped more, one only needs to look to where the most money ends up.

The government in the past did it's deeds behind closed doors.

Nothing has change they just do it out in the open now.