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Oct 1, 2013 10:02:57   #
carolyn
 
This is from Michael Connelly, retired Constitutional Attorney and Constitutional Law Instructor:

Well, I have done it. I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Healthcare Choices Act of 2009.

I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, Constitutional Law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and it's implications are in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of healthcare, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for i*****l i*******ts, free a******n services, and probably forced participation in a******ns by members of the medical profession.

The bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. all decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be healthcare professionals.

Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government. However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. On fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intentions of providing affordable health care choices. Instead, it is a convenient cover for the most massive t******r of p***r to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law, or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will have effectively been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of the U.S. government. The Congress will be t***sferring to the Obama administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.

The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, in direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th. Amendment to the Constitution, of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been obliterated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd. and 4th. Amendments may provide.

If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th. Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left h**e so much, out of the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there though.

The ninth Amendment that provides:

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people,

The 10th. Amendment states: the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork, neither the people or the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that was once was theirs to control.

Mr. Connelly goes on to say that there are many more discrepancies in this bill that goes directly against the constitution, but he believes that the people should now have an overall view at just how crooked and un-American this health care bill is.

I suggest that we all make a list of those that v**ed for this nightmare and v**e them out of office next year. Let's all work to take back our country.

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Oct 1, 2013 10:48:19   #
bahmer
 
carolyn wrote:
This is from Michael Connelly, retired Constitutional Attorney and Constitutional Law Instructor:

Well, I have done it. I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Healthcare Choices Act of 2009.

I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, Constitutional Law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and it's implications are in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of healthcare, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for i*****l i*******ts, free a******n services, and probably forced participation in a******ns by members of the medical profession.

The bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. all decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be healthcare professionals.

Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government. However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. On fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intentions of providing affordable health care choices. Instead, it is a convenient cover for the most massive t******r of p***r to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law, or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will have effectively been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of the U.S. government. The Congress will be t***sferring to the Obama administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.

The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, in direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th. Amendment to the Constitution, of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been obliterated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd. and 4th. Amendments may provide.

If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th. Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left h**e so much, out of the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there though.

The ninth Amendment that provides:

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people,

The 10th. Amendment states: the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork, neither the people or the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that was once was theirs to control.

Mr. Connelly goes on to say that there are many more discrepancies in this bill that goes directly against the constitution, but he believes that the people should now have an overall view at just how crooked and un-American this health care bill is.

I suggest that we all make a list of those that v**ed for this nightmare and v**e them out of office next year. Let's all work to take back our country.
This is from Michael Connelly, retired Constituti... (show quote)


Amen, Amen, Amen. The democrats do their best work in the dark of night and the continual lies of their propaganda machines.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Oct 1, 2013 11:08:22   #
Wanttoknow
 
I too have read the complete text of HB3200, and, I do not agree with you. You are using fear tactics and misinformation to continue a h**eful agenda. Although introduced by President Obama it is not "Obamacare" it is the Affordable Care Act. All I can say is for people to read for themselves and not let others tell you what you should be thinking. Just because someone claims to be learned does not mean they know what they are talking about.

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Oct 1, 2013 11:15:45   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
bahmer wrote:
Amen, Amen, Amen. The democrats do their best work in the dark of night and the continual lies of their propaganda machines.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


Let's all pray our representatives have the courage to not blink and stand their ground to end.

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Oct 1, 2013 11:40:32   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
Wanttoknow wrote:
I too have read the complete text of HB3200, and, I do not agree with you. You are using fear tactics and misinformation to continue a h**eful agenda. Although introduced by President Obama it is not "Obamacare" it is the Affordable Care Act. All I can say is for people to read for themselves and not let others tell you what you should be thinking. Just because someone claims to be learned does not mean they know what they are talking about.


I do not claim to have read this several thousand page document, but as more and more people do there seems to be a growing sense that even among the traditional democratic base that it will have serious negative impact on employees, employers, medical providers, medical manufacturing companies, rationing of care and our economy.

How can anyone in their right mind say it's what they claim it is but exempt themselves from it ???

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Oct 1, 2013 11:44:36   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Good article. My biggest complaint is the name of the bill, it has very little to do with health care and is nothing more than control over the people.


carolyn wrote:
This is from Michael Connelly, retired Constitutional Attorney and Constitutional Law Instructor:

Well, I have done it. I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Healthcare Choices Act of 2009.

I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, Constitutional Law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and it's implications are in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of healthcare, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for i*****l i*******ts, free a******n services, and probably forced participation in a******ns by members of the medical profession.

The bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. all decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be healthcare professionals.

Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government. However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. On fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intentions of providing affordable health care choices. Instead, it is a convenient cover for the most massive t******r of p***r to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law, or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will have effectively been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of the U.S. government. The Congress will be t***sferring to the Obama administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.

The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, in direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th. Amendment to the Constitution, of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been obliterated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd. and 4th. Amendments may provide.

If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th. Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left h**e so much, out of the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there though.

The ninth Amendment that provides:

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people,

The 10th. Amendment states: the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork, neither the people or the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that was once was theirs to control.

Mr. Connelly goes on to say that there are many more discrepancies in this bill that goes directly against the constitution, but he believes that the people should now have an overall view at just how crooked and un-American this health care bill is.

I suggest that we all make a list of those that v**ed for this nightmare and v**e them out of office next year. Let's all work to take back our country.
This is from Michael Connelly, retired Constituti... (show quote)

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Oct 1, 2013 11:47:31   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Key words, RIGHT MIND! Harry is running the show for the democrats, is he of solid mind?


Constitutional libertarian wrote:
I do not claim to have read this several thousand page document, but as more and more people do there seems to be a growing sense that even among the traditional democratic base that it will have serious negative impact on employees, employers, medical providers, medical manufacturing companies, rationing of care and our economy.

How can anyone in their right mind say it's what they claim it is but exempt themselves from it ???

Reply
 
 
Oct 1, 2013 11:48:35   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
Wanttoknow wrote:
I too have read the complete text of HB3200, and, I do not agree with you. You are using fear tactics and misinformation to continue a h**eful agenda. Although introduced by President Obama it is not "Obamacare" it is the Affordable Care Act. All I can say is for people to read for themselves and not let others tell you what you should be thinking. Just because someone claims to be learned does not mean they know what they are talking about.


Instead of attempting to read a bill that is about 1/3 the size of the regulations that have been written under the auspices of that bill, I apply a little common sense. Let me try to help you with that:

If you wanted to have more people have more and better shoes, common sense would suggest you find a way to have more shoemakers.

If liberals wanted to have more people have more and better health care, would they have found a way to create more IRS agents, Navigators and other federal bureaucrats. (The answer would be yes only if one assumed economic stupidity)

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Oct 1, 2013 11:52:38   #
rrmoderate
 
I too have read the complete text of HB3200, and, I do not agree with you. You are using fear tactics and misinformation to continue a h**eful agenda. Although introduced by President Obama it is not "Obamacare" it is the Affordable Care Act. All I can say is for people to read for themselves and not let others tell you what you should be thinking. Just because someone claims to be learned does not mean they know what they are talking about.
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I have also read the bill for self-education purposes. I did so from the standpoint of a coverage consumer. I disagree with several of the claims. There were several interpretations that just didn't match the wording or clear intent of ACA.

If there is one element I have heartburn over it's the lack of clear education for our people. It's a very complex bill, but it offers many fixes to our existing open market system.

Once this education issue is resolved, it will be much improved....

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Oct 1, 2013 12:04:14   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
rrmoderate wrote:
I too have read the complete text of HB3200, and, I do not agree with you. You are using fear tactics and misinformation to continue a h**eful agenda. Although introduced by President Obama it is not "Obamacare" it is the Affordable Care Act. All I can say is for people to read for themselves and not let others tell you what you should be thinking. Just because someone claims to be learned does not mean they know what they are talking about.
=============================
I have also read the bill for self-education purposes. I did so from the standpoint of a coverage consumer. I disagree with several of the claims. There were several interpretations that just didn't match the wording or clear intent of ACA.

If there is one element I have heartburn over it's the lack of clear education for our people. It's a very complex bill, but it offers many fixes to our existing open market system.

Once this education issue is resolved, it will be much improved....
I too have read the complete text of HB3200, and, ... (show quote)


Did you read the regulations put out by HHS as authorized by this legislation. The regulations are now up to 15,000 pages.

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Oct 1, 2013 12:11:07   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
There is nothing fealful nor h**eful about not wanting to give up control of your life. Your medical records will now belong to the IRS not between you and your doctor. This bill is very little about medical with many new taxes and complete control over your life.

rrmoderate wrote:
I too have read the complete text of HB3200, and, I do not agree with you. You are using fear tactics and misinformation to continue a h**eful agenda. Although introduced by President Obama it is not "Obamacare" it is the Affordable Care Act. All I can say is for people to read for themselves and not let others tell you what you should be thinking. Just because someone claims to be learned does not mean they know what they are talking about.
=============================
I have also read the bill for self-education purposes. I did so from the standpoint of a coverage consumer. I disagree with several of the claims. There were several interpretations that just didn't match the wording or clear intent of ACA.

If there is one element I have heartburn over it's the lack of clear education for our people. It's a very complex bill, but it offers many fixes to our existing open market system.

Once this education issue is resolved, it will be much improved....
I too have read the complete text of HB3200, and, ... (show quote)

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Oct 1, 2013 12:28:21   #
rumitoid
 
carolyn wrote:
This is from Michael Connelly, retired Constitutional Attorney and Constitutional Law Instructor:

Well, I have done it. I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Healthcare Choices Act of 2009.

I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, Constitutional Law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and it's implications are in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of healthcare, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for i*****l i*******ts, free a******n services, and probably forced participation in a******ns by members of the medical profession.

The bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. all decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be healthcare professionals.

Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government. However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. On fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intentions of providing affordable health care choices. Instead, it is a convenient cover for the most massive t******r of p***r to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law, or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will have effectively been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of the U.S. government. The Congress will be t***sferring to the Obama administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.

The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, in direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th. Amendment to the Constitution, of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been obliterated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd. and 4th. Amendments may provide.

If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th. Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left h**e so much, out of the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there though.

The ninth Amendment that provides:

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people,

The 10th. Amendment states: the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork, neither the people or the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that was once was theirs to control.

Mr. Connelly goes on to say that there are many more discrepancies in this bill that goes directly against the constitution, but he believes that the people should now have an overall view at just how crooked and un-American this health care bill is.

I suggest that we all make a list of those that v**ed for this nightmare and v**e them out of office next year. Let's all work to take back our country.
This is from Michael Connelly, retired Constituti... (show quote)


In his opinion. Here is a link that is useful (and just because it a factchecking site that many claim is liberal-biased, it is worth the read):
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=Michael+Connelly%2C+retired+Constitutional+Attorney+and+Constitutional+Law+Instructor&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0&x=34&y=15

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Oct 1, 2013 12:38:12   #
bahmer
 
rrmoderate wrote:
I too have read the complete text of HB3200, and, I do not agree with you. You are using fear tactics and misinformation to continue a h**eful agenda. Although introduced by President Obama it is not "Obamacare" it is the Affordable Care Act. All I can say is for people to read for themselves and not let others tell you what you should be thinking. Just because someone claims to be learned does not mean they know what they are talking about.
=============================
I have also read the bill for self-education purposes. I did so from the standpoint of a coverage consumer. I disagree with several of the claims. There were several interpretations that just didn't match the wording or clear intent of ACA.

If there is one element I have heartburn over it's the lack of clear education for our people. It's a very complex bill, but it offers many fixes to our existing open market system.

Once this education issue is resolved, it will be much improved....
I too have read the complete text of HB3200, and, ... (show quote)


You liberals are all the same and after you come up with bills laws policies etc.we the people become less free with every one.

Pretty soon our national anthem will read land of the once free and the land of the once brave. It will not be until you have everyone in subjection will the liberal socialist rest in peace.

For some reason you h**e freedom so much and go to such extremes to stifle it and put the light of freedom out. Why?

I want to be free to choose my insurance and my doctor and under the ACA I will lose all of those freedoms just so that the liberal can appease the few in the minority. Why?

When you feed the animals in the woods they soon become dependent upon people to feed them and when that doesn't happen they get real mad and even k**l people for their food.

We are raising a generation of dependents and the ACA wants to ens***e the rest of the population. We have to end it now.

You could take the money that is being spent for additional IRS staff and other expenses and I have heard that someone did the math and we could give the supposed 30 million people without insurance the equivalent of a three million dollar policy and still come out money ahead.

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Oct 1, 2013 13:17:29   #
JQP Loc: Earth To Heaven
 
Tell us what YOUR credentials are so that you can make such an astute comment? What expertise do YOU have in the medical profession? Are you in the medical profession at all? Are you a lawyer involved in medical abuses, or a government employee who is involved in "Obamacare"? Are you employed by the IRS, NSA, the Obama Administration? Did you REALLY real ALL of the ACA?

I realize that you are a total liberal, but try to tell us the t***h anyway, OK?

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Oct 1, 2013 13:20:09   #
JQP Loc: Earth To Heaven
 
JQP wrote:
Tell us what YOUR credentials are so that you can make such an astute comment? What expertise do YOU have in the medical profession? Are you in the medical profession at all? Are you a lawyer involved in medical abuses, or a government employee who is involved in "Obamacare"? Are you employed by the IRS, NSA, the Obama Administration? Did you REALLY real ALL of the ACA?

I realize that you are a total liberal, but try to tell us the t***h anyway, OK?


The above comment is addressed to bahmer (obahmer)

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