Steve700 wrote:
1) What exactly do you have against small unintrusive government, fiscal responsibility in government, and individual rights & individual freedom that you do not find in socialism or c*******m ??? --- As well as the conservative values of honesty, discipline, personal integrity, responsibility and accountability.
2) If Conservatism is so irrational as you claim, please explain how it is that no dictatorship or Marxist government has ever come anywhere close to the prosperity & military strength of America's history of Covservate Capitolism? Surly you know that no other ideology has lifted so many out of poverty & squalor as the Conservative's ideology of Capitolism. I'd bet big money you won't and in fact can't answer those questions. Only a total degenerate lowlife could have problems with those things.
MY ANSWERE TO ALL 3 OF THEM: Excuses & wrongheaded accusations, with no appreciation of humor. Thanks for proving me right that there is no way you could answer those two questions without divulging yourselves as a degenerate anti-Americans subversive fools. You are all a testament to the effectiveness of Marxist propaganda and it's ability to create useful i***ts, (no wonder you scream r****t in order to avoid t***h & debate) --- useful i***ts whose idol is a pathological liar who became a trained Deceiver in the c*******t radical revolutionary & "weather underground" terrorist Bill Ayer's living room. Your thinking is degenerate and that's why it's impossible for you, to answer the questions with a well reasoned rational reply.
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It is capitalism, which i am sure someone has already told you. The American Revolution and the subsequent government that was formed was a liberal, not conservative, movement. "As well as the conservative values of honesty, discipline, personal integrity, responsibility and accountability." Those values are not owned by conservatives; a person's character is not defined that way. Lincoln, by today's standards, was a flaming liberal on many issues: did he lack those values?
This is the Right's future for the world. Get used to it. Pol Pot would get elected by the South and Midwest. This not just the start to a return to the Dark Ages, it is the door to hell itself.
But given what he inherited, and the opposition he faced, his accomplishments border on the miraculous. We now have the longest streak of job growth in history, adding 14.4 million private sector jobs over 73 straight months, with lower unemployment than under Ronald Reagan, about half of what he inherited from Bush. Obama has reduced the deficit by over $1 trillion. Even if you look at total debt, which obviously goes up because there is an annual deficit, Obama added less debt as a percent change in public debt than either George Bush, or that paragon of fiscal conservativism, Ronald Reagan. With Obamacare he brought the number of uninsured to below 10% for the first time in our history. He saved the auto industry, which sold 17 million cars in 2015, the most in our history. The stock market has soared to record heights during Obamas tenure, and gas prices are the cheapest in over a decade. Obama saved the housing industry from collapse, prevented the banking industry from imploding, and kept the stock market from sliding into depression-era territory. These are historic accomplishments.
In foreign policy, the Nation rightly concludes that Barak Obama is a Foreign Policy Grandmaster. He withdrew troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, decimated al-Qaeda, thwarted Irans nuclear program, removed chemical weapons from Syria, toppled Gadhafi, halved the number of Russian and American nuclear missile launchers, redirected relationships with Cuba, improved ties with India, and signed a climate deal in which China for the first time agreed to participate meaningfully. Yes the world remains a dangerous place, ISIS coming to mind, and any foreign policy is open to legitimate criticism. Any decision on the world stage will have undesirable impacts, and these are naturally the focus of critics. But even the conservative Wall Street Journal says of Obamas foreign policy successes, Give the president his due here. They add that Mr. Obama has largely succeeded in what he set out to do. That conclusion is from a publication that is no friend to Obama.
What makes these accomplishments all the more remarkable is that Obama was working against an opposition openly committed to his failure, which is more or less unprecedented in its brazenness. Mitch McConnell said on October 23, 2010 that my number one priority is making sure Obamas a one-term president. Not making America great, or preventing terrorist attacks, or helping the middle-class, or bringing home our troops - no, the Republican leader has one top goal - to deny Obama any success, at any cost to America. GOP leaders wish for Obama to fail more than they hope America will succeed. They are not alone, having plenty of rank and file support for this treasonous idea. Rush Limbaugh said simply, I hope he fails. Rep. Michelle Bachmann said, Were hoping that President Obamas policies dont succeed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/liberals-losing-perspecti_b_9728614.html?
Loki wrote:
As is my continued health and well-being. As long as there are people there will be violence. As long as there are people who are professional victims, there will be predators to take advantage. Nature abhors a vacuum.
Among reported violent crimes, unarmed victims who tried to resist were injured or killed more than 90% of the time.
Unarmed victims who complied with everything the perpetrator told them to do were still hurt or killed in nearly 50% of the cases.
The success rate of criminals against victims who turn out to be armed is barely one percent.
You can carry your beliefs. I will carry my .45.
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I know what you said above is wrong. Please give multiple sources, or not.
Violence begets violence: this is not an abstract idea. All civilization attests to it. An "eye for an eye" is both the way of the world and the end of the world. For how long can you protect your life with a .45? Is that the preferred way to live?
BigMike wrote:
You're funny! You think social programs keep the unemployed from starving! :lol: :lol: :lol:
America is not that successful. There are nations that have a far better, more productive, and easier lifestyle that does not adversely effect its "elite." Over and over again the best economists say that a combination of a welfare state and capitalism works best. It is not either or as American Republicans think. If not for SS during the 2008 crunch, our economy would have failed. The over 62 crowd saved this nation from ruin.
America Only wrote:
Oh...DRUNK again I see....nothing new about THAT, you skid row bum!
Yes, a bit tipsy, but that does not change the facts, which you never notice just to score insults. You may have debated a point yet all I have seen of you here is sophomoric attempts at insult. Bully ugliness to match any playground worldwide.
Pennylynn wrote:
What you are not going to attack my Papa, may G*d give him rest? Have you given up calling me satan or worse? Given up on converting me to your brand of Christianity?
I have been a fan of Steven King from his very first books when he was Buchman. I marvel at the way he can take anything and turn it into a monster, evil blood thirsty buildings, or people who see the monster hidden but ready to devour us, all the while remaining unseen. I thought he was unique...then I discovered the current crop of conspiracy theorist. What frightened people.... it amazes me that you all get out of bed in the morning; finding a Jew hiding to steal your money, governments or people who want to rule the world (taking several hundred years to do so, does not seem to bother you), aliens who read your minds, lizard people (actually aliens who pretend to be humans), and the list goes on. I feel so very sorry for all of you!
According to you, our government is covering up everything...yet here you are. You are in a country that protect your right to sabotage it...to not only read but spread propaganda. A country that tolerates your vilification of values, goals, and freedoms! A country that has a legal system and ensures prisoners have a higher standard of living than children living in many parts of the world. My thought.... if you are that unhappy with America.... go live with your fellow believers in Palestine!
Your videos are Pallywood! Nothing more than terrorist splitting our country to make their jobs so much easier. Sure, I could watch yet another of your youtubes (seems that no CT can not read a real book and uses youtube or Wikipedia for their indisputable sources for their data and history!) and again pick it apart, but you will not read what I write and your mind is closed tighter than the knees of a 50 year old virgin nun!
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Pennylynn may not ascribe to historical conspiracies deductions quickly but will tell a tall tale about the motives, actions, and meanings of political opponents.
Onelostdog wrote:
Please watch with caution as the language is very descriptive with the use of a popular four letter word.
Never mind it did not work right, you must use the download but again use with caution foul language is the main theme, oh darn.
You do know the video was satirical, right?
Thousands upon thousands of New Yorkers were witnesses, on video or not, of two commercial planes striking the Twin Towers. The people lost on those flights is a matter of public record and indisputable. The very simple explanation of burning away or weakening a floor explains why and how the buildings collapsed as they did.
Conspiracy theorists are no less pathological than Fundamentalist. Both have a treatable brain disorder...if they can surrender their fantastical thinking.
trucksterbud wrote:
CAFR1 NATIONAL POST
A Few points Not to Forget about the WTC Complex and 911 Event
by Walter Burien - CAFR1
04/13/16
I make my comments as a prior tenant of WTC1 from 1978-1980.
Watch as the tower falls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OASbBr99heQ
You will clearly see the effect of the squib-charges "systematically" going off several floors (8 to 10 floor) below the collapse line on the way down from both sides of the tower visible. When the squib charges explode, the ones you can see that are not yet masked by collapsing debris, they send out the distinctive puffs of smoke / dust blasting out and through the widows. The heat signatures on floors where no fires were burning, combined with spectral light "element" analysis seen establishes those "puffs of smoke" as coming rather conclusively from squib-charges going off. Done so to weaken the entire structure for demolition collapse.
The towers were built so that the core was designed to act as a guide post for the floors suspended from the core in the event of catastrophic failure. The core was designed to be left standing in the event of catastrophic failure. This was done to prevent the tower from falling "over" and hitting 20 or so other buildings. There are no if's or buts per the core remaining standing excluding controlled demolition below the impact damage zone, end of story period.
The WTC towers, Port Authority of NY and NJ, the owners of the complex knew the towers needed to be demolished. It came to their attention back in 1978 when asbestos was banned that the several hundred tons of asbestos fire insulation used on the internal structure was a BIG problem. As the asbestos broke down over time, the fine particles could circulate throughout the building exposing the tenants to the asbestos and law suits could amount in the billions of dollars.
In 1980 they installed a very expensive special air filtration system in the two towers to curtail spread of those fine particle. (I note also it was determined that if a level 4 or 5 hurricane with maintained winds of over 215 MPH made a direct hit on the towers they in high probability would not be able to withstand the millions of metric tons of wind force hitting the flat surfaced side walls) Port Authority then commissioned in 1979 for an estimate of the cost to demolish the towers. The price came back at 8 billion dollars and that did not include the law suits that could amount into extra billions of dollars from individuals who claimed they were damaged by being exposed to the asbestos when the towers were demolished.
Well, the "staged" collapse on 911, solved that problem and they got two bangs for the buck. It also initiated the go ahead for the wars in the middle east which I note were on the drawing boards over at the Pentagon and Whitehouse to be initiated on the exact dates the first invasions took place, and those dates were set 6-months before the towers collapsed.
Additionally the Port Authority was trying to sell the WTC complex after realizing their problem starting in 1978. No takers..
Then comes along Larry Silverstein in 2000, a joint US and Israeli citizen that takes out a 99-year lease for 3-billion dollars that required monthly payments of about 37-million dollars a month. He then secures a double indemnity insurance policy for "terrorism attacks" with the policy providing a maximum total coverage of 7-billion dollars. The policy issued and the signed ink was not even dry yet on that policy and down goes the towers and in goes Silverstien's claim for 7-billion. He settled on a 6.5 billion dollar payout and only had 4-months pay-ins to the rental contract. What a payout on about a 148-million dollar pay-in that in effect was already reimbursed him and extra from the rents being paid from the tenants.
Did Silverstien contribute as a gift $$$$$ directly to the re-building by Port Authority of NY and NJ of the new towers? No, but he did though as a business deal put up 1.4 billion dollars in advance payments for construction to lock in the prime and substantial rental space in the new complex. The complex is being rebuilt primarily at taxpayer's expense, offset by advance lessees payments - http://gfoa.net/cafr/COA2012/NewYorkAndNewJerseyPortAuthorityNJ.pdf
Page 84 of the .pdf document per Silverstein shows total in, and a search in the .pdf document for WTC or Silverstein will bring up many other relevant comments made in the report.
I note on the new WTC Tower design, not a flat side surface design. The new air-dynamic angled design can withstand up to 270 MPH winds. (They were not going to make that mistake of a flat side-wall design twice. Hurricane level 4 or 5 direct hit, not a problem now.. )
Math for Silverstein: 6.5 billion dollars (payout) - 1.4 billion dollars (advance lessees payments) = a Big smile on his face.
And the Beat Goes on!
TREASON: "Treason doth never prosper; what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." Sir John Harrington, 1561-1612
Sent FYI and Truly Yours,
Walter J. Burien, Jr. - CAFR1.com
Saint Johns, AZ 85936
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Get help, serious long term help. I am sorry for your loss of sanity.
America Only wrote:
And so you think it is a good thing that no v**ers in Colorado have a say in whom they want to run for President?
The GOP asked Trump to be committed...but then the GOP is doing all they can to have someone else be nominated. Is THAT the system YOU think is good? You think it is not the same as how we got Obama? A person's V**E to be meaningless? If so...then it is a LARGE factor as to WHY we don't need corrupt Cruz sitting in the White House. AND as such it also makes damned good sense as to why CRUZ is no different then all the "bad guys" he claims to be against...he is no different and nothing NOTHING will change if he (Cruz) was to be President...NOTHING changed at all...like having the same lousy car...just a different paint job...right?
NO...NO Cruz...NO Hillary...NO c****e Sanders...there is only one person that is going to STOP all the bulls**t...and that is Trump.
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Trump will be horrible as president; Cruz, catastrophic! The ugliness and narrow-mindedness of both is easy to measure. Look at their supporters!
Pennylynn wrote:
Glaucon,
I must agree with you, most of the forum has deteriorated into school yard bullies... most of the threads start off with good intentions, but sooner if not later, along comes a conspiracy theorist or someone quoting scripture, or someone who bashes cops, defends their race without personal censorship of how their words will be understood, then the name calling begins. The intent of the thread is abandoned and personal assaults and a competition of who can come up with the better insult become the theme. It is at this point that I normally abandon the thread and look for another one that has interest to me.
OPP... on life support? I certainly hope not. It is still one of the better and more diverse sites on the net. The mods could do a much better job, but they can only do so much until they eliminate the majority of the members; and who is to say how many real members there are...
Hang in there.... when the water become sewage, put on your boots or simply bail out in search of another more suitable thread.
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"...along comes a conspiracy theorist or someone quoting scripture, or someone who bashes cops, defends their race without personal censorship." Huh? Totally bizarre! "Someone quoting scripture" undermines OPP? Someone who speaks about their race "without personal censorship" is undermining order? Or decency?
son of witless wrote:
Before she can go before a court she must be charged. The question is, are there any honest men and women in the FBI and the Justice Department willing to commit professional suicide to indict her? The evidence is overwhelming against her. Obama is saying he is not involved in that decision.
For anyone who believes that, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn.
Please put forth, in detail, the "evidence [that] is overwhelming against her."