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Dec 3, 2019 13:27:16   #
bilordinary wrote:
On the BC thing.
There were two independent studies done, one in Italy the other in the US.
The source document, Obama's BC, was found to be fraudulent.
The last word on this is;
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/310677-arpaio-holds-press-conference-to-question-authenticity-of-obamas-birth


You could be very correct. The Hawaiian government hasn't let anyone from the outside see the records. That leaves one to be very suspect of their motives for not allowing others to see the birth records. just seem shady to me.
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Dec 3, 2019 13:20:46   #
Singularity wrote:
Your post was addressed as part of the group in the "what about this!?!?" onslaught. You say you really want a serious comment on your points to understand my view. Ill try to accommodate. You mostly seem to want to tease out why there are different responses to the Biden situation and the Trump crimes.

A good place to start would be to mutually endorse a shared reality. Could you outline what part of your view of reality differs from the "fact checked" reports listed here? Noticed that throughout the article there is the comment, "Full fact check here." This, in the article, gives you a clickable link to background information for that sub section.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/28/politics/fact-checking-trump-ukraine-scandal-bidens/index.html

A readers' guide to fact-checking Trump's Ukraine controversy
By Daniel Dale, Tara Subramaniam and Holmes Lybrand, CNN
Updated 4:10 PM EDT, Mon October 07, 2019


Washington(CNN)President Donald Trump has made a blizzard of claims about Ukraine, China and the impeachment inquiry. Many of them have been attacks on Democrats, and many of them have been incorrect.

Here is a brief readers' guide to our fact checks on all things related to Trump's Ukraine controversy and the resulting impeachment inquiry.

This post will be updated as events unfold.


H****r B***n and the investigation
Trump has repeatedly claimed that former vice president Joe Biden had called for the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor who was "investigating his son." There is no evidence H****r B***n was ever under investigation. The investigation was into the business dealings of the owner of a Ukrainian natural gas company, Burisma Holdings, where H****r B***n sat on the board of directors. In addition, a former Ukrainian deputy prosecutor and top anti-corruption activist have said the investigation was dormant at the time. And chief prosecutor Viktor Shokin's successor, Yuriy Lutsenko, has said in interviews this year that H****r B***n didn't violate any Ukrainian laws.

Full fact check here.

Joe Biden's pressure on Ukraine
Trump has also claimed that Biden pressured Ukraine to take chief prosecutor Viktor Shokin "off the case." Biden pressured Ukrainian leaders to fire Shokin -- the Obama administration, US allies and Ukrainian anti-corruption activists saw Shokin as unwilling to prosecute elite corruption -- but there is no public evidence that Biden sought to get Shokin removed from any particular case.

Full fact check here.

Joe Biden's boasting
Trump claimed in his July phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that Biden had boasted about having "stopped the prosecution." Biden had boasted about getting Shokin fired, but he did not say he had stopped any prosecution. Shokin had been controversial precisely because he was unwilling to bring corruption prosecutions.

Full fact check here.

The Bidens and China
Trump has claimed that "Joe Biden and his son walk(ed) away with millions of dollars from Ukraine and then millions of dollars from China." There is no basis for Trump's claim about Joe Biden. A company on whose board H****r B***n sat, however, received a large investment of Chinese capital shortly after H****r B***n visited the country with his father, and H****r B***n later purchased an equity stake in the company. A lawyer for H****r B***n says he has not received any return or compensation from his investment or board position.

Full fact check here.

Trump has also conflated H****r B***n's involvement in Ukraine and China. On October 4, after speaking to reporters about Biden and China, Trump said, "Now I'm hearing the number $50,000 a month." That is the approximate amount the New York Times has reported Biden was paid for his board role with Ukrainian company Burisma, not an amount related to China. Trump then claimed, seconds later, that Biden was "getting hundreds of thousands a month," a number for which there is no public evidence.

Joe Biden's previous comments
Trump said Joe Biden contradicted himself when he said in September that he had "never" spoken to his son H****r about his son's overseas business dealings; Trump claimed Joe Biden had previously said the opposite. That is not true. H****r B***n, however, did tell the New Yorker that there was one father-son conversation about his business dealings in Ukraine.

Full fact check here.

The delay in aid to Ukraine
Before he began justifying his decision to delay military aid to Ukraine, Trump told reporters that there was no delay at all -- an assertion obviously contradicted by the facts.

Trump suggested on September 23 that he froze the funds because he was worried about "corruption" and whether "that country is honest." He explicitly said on September 24 that the funds were withheld, this time claiming he was waiting for "Europe and other nations" to spend their own money on Ukraine.

A full fact check is here.

European aid to Ukraine
Trump has repeatedly claimed the US is the "only" country providing aid to Ukraine, and he has specifically accused certain European countries of doing nothing. In reality, the EU has sent several billion dollars to Ukraine over the past few years.

Full fact check here.

Obama's aid to Ukraine
Trump suggested that Barack Obama sent only "pillows and sheets" to Ukraine, not the lethal arms he has himself sent. This was hyperbole. While Trump is correct that Obama refused to provide lethal assistance, Obama did provide armored Humvees, drones, counter-mortar radar, night vision gear and medical supplies.

Full fact check here.

CrowdStrike
In his July phone call with Zelensky, Trump made vague claims about CrowdStrike -- the American cybersecurity company he has wrongly described as Ukrainian -- and "the server." These claims were confusing, but we tried to explain what he might be talking about:

In short, Trump seemed to be alluding to a baseless conspiracy theory that Russia was not responsible for hacking Democratic National Committee computer servers during the 2016 e******n. CrowdStrike, hired by the DNC to investigate the hack, had said Russia was responsible, a finding later corroborated by special counsel Robert Mueller.

Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani has been among the people pushing a theory that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 e******n through "collusion" with Democrats.

Full fact check here.

The Democrats' letter to Ukraine
Trump claimed that a 2018 letter from three Democratic senators to Ukraine's prosecutor general made a threat to withdraw US assistance if Ukraine did not do what they wanted. The letter did not make a threat; it urged the prosecutor not to close investigations into former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort or stop cooperating with Mueller to avoid angering Trump, as the New York Times reported had happened.

Full fact check here.

Schiff's comments
Trump criticized Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff for Schiff's comments at a House Intelligence Committee hearing with the acting DNI. In a tweet, he said Schiff's remarks were made "illegally." It is very much not illegal to do a bad paraphrase in a congressional committee meeting. The Constitution has a specific clause that lets legislators say what they want during congressional business without facing legal repercussions.

Full fact check here.

Treason
Trump called Schiff's rendition of Trump's July phone call with the President of Ukraine "treasonous" in an exchange with reporters alongside the Finnish president.

None of this is anything close to "treason," a word with an actual, narrow definition in the Constitution.

Full fact check here.

The whistleblower
Trump said the whistleblower's account of his call with Zelensky was "totally wrong." The whistleblower's three chief allegations were all correct.

Full fact check here.

Whistleblower complaint
In response to a New York Times report that Schiff knew about the whistleblower's concerns before the official complaint was filed, Trump claimed that Schiff "knew long before and helped write it, too."

Spokespeople for both Schiff and the whistleblower denied the allegations.

Full fact check here.

An 'exact transcript'
Trump claimed that the document released by the White House is an "exact transcript" of his call with Zelensky.

It is not an exact transcript. We know this because the document itself says so.

Full fact check here.

The whistleblower complaint form
Trump tweeted out a conspiracy theory that the form to submit whistleblower complaints was secretly changed to allow those with secondhand information to submit complaints.

There have been no changes to the rules surrounding who can submit a whistleblower complaint.

Full fact check here.

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Your so-called fact check is nothing more than the Democratic talking points. Sokin had raided the office and home of the Burisma Holdings owner. I suppose that was only for show. After that fact is when Burisma Holdings asked our State Dept. to help them out. Burisma had been known to be corrupt.
Another funny thing you have came up with is the, "cloud strike" assertion. Why didn't the DNC let the FBI check their server to check, for the validity of Russia having accessed the server for that information? That seem strange to me, that the FBI with all of the resources they have at their command, the DNC wouldn't allow them to have access to the server. Seems strange to me, that they want the FBI to check the validity of accusation's about Trump and his associates, but not about the illegal access to their server. Very strange.
As for Schiff's comments, while presiding over the investigation he made a false accusation about what Trump had said. Only later did he say, in effect, he was paraphrasing what Trump had said in the telephone call. As for Schiff and the whistle blower, Schiff initially said his staff never had contact with the whistle blower, but later recanted the story and said his staff had. It was about 15 days after the whistle blower had contact with Schiff's staff that the whistle blower filed the complaint. The actual whistle blower law had lstated that one had to have direct knowledge of wrong doing. This was changed approximately two months before the whistle blower made the allegation. This is only an approximation of the date of change. If you would have even wanted to know if the rule had been changed you could have found out. The rule change for the whistle blower, occurred about one month, confirmed by federal records, before the whistle blower made his allegation. CNN as a fact checker is a laugh. They don't even fact check their own stories.
The transcript, as we know it, had been produced by a number of people that listened in to the call. With more than one person saying, this is what occurred during the call leaves little to be found, as not being correct. You must acknowledge that Trump isn't a politician or lawyer so makes many mistakes when trying to put his point across. Politician's are great at prevaricating when they are asked a question, not so Trump, he states what he believes and that is what we get. That doesn't mean he or others have lied when they believe what they say to be the t***h. No frills or a run around the proverbial bush.
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Dec 3, 2019 12:26:17   #
Seth wrote:
They do so with convoluted logic that couldn't possibly make any sense to any v**er who hadn't been steeped in the left's reality challenged propaganda or who wasn't immersed in the corrupt, power hungry world of their g*******t, left wing indoctrinated politicians.

Today's Democrats have a real problem that t***slates into a problem for all of America. One needs only look at the way they batter such obstacles as logic, t***h and reality aside in order to push their wrecking ball agendas on unwilling, gullible, ignorant, uninformed or otherwise unsuspecting Americans.

What we're seeing is more than simply an attempted c**p d'etat, we're seeing an attempt to completely change everything about America into something that bears absolutely no resemblance to the nation begun by the founding fathers and based on the U.S. Constitution. We're seeing total lunacy being committed by a party that actually sees justification in what it's trying to do.

They're no longer even a political party -- they're an i**********n.
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They seem to be the embodiment of what can be called, the evil within our government. With the object of destroying this country from within. Which we had been warned of, many years before.
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Dec 3, 2019 12:21:52   #
woodguru wrote:
T***h is the subjective part of facts, the t***h is more like the summation of facts, absolute facts can lead one to t***hs that can be subjectively distorted by the selective or partial use of facts. FOX editorials usually draw on some degree of fact that may be distorted into a t***h that no longer represents the reality, failing to report all of the facts is a form of creating a subjective t***h that can better fit what people already or want to believe.

Like Kelly Anne Conway said, when people hear something enough it becomes their t***h, and alternative fact.
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You seem to have the false assumption that Fox News only tells half t***hs, but you realize they are editorials. With that said, I then must state that you believe what ever so-called news agencies state as fact, are correct all of the time. Just my opinion but probably true from your posts. Your last sentence sounds just like the talking heads of the MSM. They tell what they believe to be the t***h, not supported by actual facts most of the time. They are supposed to be news anchors not commenters. On fox those like Hannity are actually commentators not news anchors.
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Dec 2, 2019 11:51:57   #
Djin wrote:
Your new god admitted it was a birther lie.


All conservatives have had only one God and no other, so I don't get your reference. Please state the true facts! I believe some on the right have made illegitimate accusation's that were not correct but not all of us believe what you have said but no one has produced any proof beyond a doubt to help either side, as of yet. So that theory is still in doubt.
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Dec 2, 2019 11:44:15   #
Djin wrote:
I watched the hearings,they all said that he DID commit a crime.He committed Extortion and Bribery.


No! They assumed he had committed a crime not actually said he had. Please get you quotes correct and quit listening to the far out left. They seem to lead you by the nose and ears, not logical thinking.
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Dec 2, 2019 11:39:23   #
Djin wrote:
Jordan is a supporter of child molesting.He is a filthy liar .


It seems you like to associate people, with others they have had contact with in their past life. That doesn't make them the same as the other person that has committed a crime. In essence it seems you are of that same type of character when you consort with those that as gleeful in cheering for the a******n of babies being pulled from the from the womb and left to die. I guess that is logical in your mind, like so many others on the left,also. Just my opinion!
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Dec 2, 2019 11:19:32   #
Singularity wrote:
This silly WHATABOUTISM is another dodge/deflection! Are you simply constitutionally unable to focus enough to stay on one topic? Of course not, it is simply a t***sparent ploy to change the subject because you're uncomfortable that you have no answer to the question originally asked.


How could my remark be seen as a deflection when I only referred you to, what others have done, that were what the left claims that Trump has done? I was inquiring if they didn't seem to be the same to you then maybe you might look at the intentions of each of those two parties. One to stop an investigation and the other to look into corruption that happened in the Ukraine. I would like to make some sense of your observations of both people. Not related to that, I sincerely hope lyou can have a great recovery from your illness. Get well soon!
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Dec 1, 2019 11:38:14   #
Singularity wrote:
"... ...A little after midnight, Donald Trump apparently saw something on Fox News that inspired him to publish a tweet: “Nancy Pelosi just stated that ‘it is dangerous to let the v**ers decide Trump’s fate.’ … In other words, she thinks I’m going to win and doesn’t want to take a chance on letting the v**ers decide.”

The president added, “Wow, she’s CRAZY!”

This morning, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who really ought to know better, picked up on Trump’s line, publishing a similarly misguided missive: “Speaker of the U.S. House of [sic] says its ‘dangerous’ to ‘let the e******n decide’ if [the president] should remain in office. T***slation? ‘We can’t trust backwards, uneducated, everyday people to decide the Presidency, this must be decided by the enlightened people in Washington D.C.’”

"Since this is apparently poised to be the Republican Party's new toy, it's worth pausing to shine a light on reality. Yesterday afternoon, around 2 p.m. (ET), Speaker Pelosi sent a letter to House members on the congressional impeachment inquiry. It read in part:

"... ... The facts are uncontested: that the President abused his power for his own personal, political benefit, at the expense of our national security interests.

"The weak response to these hearings has been, 'Let the e******n decide.' That dangerous position only adds to the urgency of our action, because the President is jeopardizing the integrity of the 2020 e******ns."

Even those with modest reading-comprehension sk**ls can see Pelosi did not write what Trump and Rubio claimed.

On the contrary, the Speaker raised an important point that Trump, Rubio, and other Republicans have struggled to address.

As we discussed last week, a variety of prominent GOP voices -- former Ambassador Nikki Haley, Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-Texas), et al. -- have made the case that lawmakers should skip impeachment proceedings and simply allow the 2020 e******n to decide Trump's fate. If the American e*****rate has a problem with Trump's abuses, they can choose someone new. If v**ers are unmoved by the president's corruption, they make that clear, too.

The trouble, of course, is the nature of the scandal itself. One of the key pillars of the whole controversy has been a simple fact: Trump intended to c***t in the e******n by way of an extortion scheme. The president, rightly or wrongly, saw Joe Biden as a credible e*******l threat, which led him to push a vulnerable foreign ally to cook up some dirt Republicans could use before E******n Day... ..."

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/losing-the-debate-trump-rubio-run-manipulated-pelosi-quote
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I suppose you don't, in the least, think having Biden's son on the board of an corrupt gas and petro company , at the time Joe Biden was in control of what went on in the Ukraine. Then the corruption was being investigated by the, I think counselor general or the Ukraine, and this company asked the Obama administration to help them out, wasn't corrupt. Then you have the gall to say that Trump was doing something illegal by asking the Ukrainian government to check into that situation. But I guess those on the left keep providing excuses for anyone in their party that has committed a crime or something close, are being unbiased. Some of those on the left have a sick sense of loyalty for this country.
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Dec 1, 2019 10:25:02   #
Singularity wrote:
Perhaps press conferences and official addresses during lucid daytime hours and not the Alzheimer's Sun Downing period, instead of KKK (oops, I meant, campaign) rallies.

The combination of dictating with Google talk and autocorrect can yield interesting malapropisms.


You really meant the KKK that is the major Dem talking point with no validity at all. No slip of the tongue.
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Dec 1, 2019 10:18:17   #
bahmer wrote:
Then you should have h**ed Obama.


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Nov 30, 2019 13:39:55   #
JFlorio wrote:
I honestly believe he’ a foreign troll. Either that or he’s the best advertisement against public schools I’ve ever seen.


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Nov 30, 2019 13:36:43   #
Singularity wrote:
I'm not on speaking terms with any congressperson.

But everybody lies, then lies to themselves about the lying. That's the principle reason why we can't be honest with each other. It's social glue, as vital as oxygen.


I hope that isn't always the t***h!
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Nov 30, 2019 13:32:46   #
TexaCan wrote:
Thank you! That makes sense! Music is something that can also make me very sentimental at times. It can also take me back in time. Dolly’s song probably is very personal to many people.......I am one of those! Both Dolly’s and Whitney’s recording of the song is beautiful!


How very right you are in that statement.
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Nov 30, 2019 13:30:45   #
debeda wrote:
Yes. I remember when it first came out. Always loved Dolly, amazing voice!!!


I still think Dolly is one of the greatest singers in all of our history.
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