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Apr 20, 2019 10:00:08   #
nwtk2007 wrote:
What Mueller said was that he hadn't found evidence Trump had not obstructed. That, is a moronic statement.

I personally think Trump should get an award for not obstructing directly.


Sorry you must have missed the qoute on the summary, it says the report doesn't clear Trump from obstruction. Mueller gave the final say to both Barr and Rosenstein they are the ones who said he didn't commit obstruction.
The requirements for proof of obstruction are pretty clear. It may have been to close for Mueller to call. Ether way Mueller being the the investigator it's not on him to prove yes or no,he just gathers infomation and presents it and make suggestions on how and why the infomation was collected.
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Apr 19, 2019 21:11:35   #
nwtk2007 wrote:
So name an instance in which Trump actually did any of that. And by the way, if the investigation is investigating something which isn't a crime, is it an actual investigation, or a political tool? At any rate, no obstruction occurred. The closest thing to it is the firing of Comey, but that was based upon a recommendation by Rozenstein, was it not? Perhaps Trump's wanting to fire Comey is obstruction. I think not. Is wanting the investigation to end obstruction? I don't see how. No person would want to be investigated; no person would be happy with how it went.

So now, the basis of the investigation will be revealed. Remember Strzok, "We will stop him." Oh yes, this will prove to be very interesting indeed!!!!
So name an instance in which Trump actually did an... (show quote)


The law statement was made to show what has to be proven for an obstruction charge. And how it can be used to allow the charge to continue.
In the last statement I mentioned that the entire case was based on how the actions are interpreted. That is why the court and those who are appointed are required to follow a set procedure. It is a two fold reasoning coverage one you are trying to prove that someone has acted in an unlawful manner. Second you have to have your facts and proof solid. Yes the whole thing may have been setup because of the h**e. When Trump made that statement that Russia should find the lost emails. Any statement made while running for any office can haunt you. It doesn't matter if it was made in jest or not. It would always be enough for some to start. If Mueller did find enough infomation to consider that obstruction is a good possibilty, then the possibility is there.
Since the released report was redacted , the results have to wait and have Mueller explain what he found.
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Apr 19, 2019 08:25:03   #
tbutkovich wrote:
I have to congratulate Trump on his patience after the attempted “c**pe de tat!” by every Democrat, the MSM journalists, and the “weaponized government investigative agencies” appointed by Democrat Loyalists Under Barack Obama “marshaled up to direct all their energy to influence the outcome of the e******n in favor of Hillary Clinton and, in the event of a loss, attempt to undermine his ability to serve the American people by constantly attacking his leadership, his character, and his integrity. Now that the Mueller Report is out, they will “scrutinize the report” in a “concerted effort to find a way to wage war against Trump,” find something, find anything, in an attempt to ruin the man, obstruct his policies, divide the country, and limit progress. This is sinful and the Democrats should be ashamed, but they don’t even know the definition of the word. I am surprised Trump did not use executive privilege to stop this charade of an Investigation once it became clear that the “premise of the investigation” was a totally false Dossier and unjustified and illegal FISA warrants which were cleared by the courts giving them the authorization to spy on our president. I doubt that, knowing of this ruse, I would allowed the investigation to continue. “The Democrats and their surrogates are d********g, have no principals, no morals, no integrity. They are bad for the country! I will do everything in my power to expose, discredit and destroy them!”
I have to congratulate Trump on his patience after... (show quote)


The objection itself doesn't lead to obstruction but some of he's decisions can be considered as attempt to obstruct. The following elements are ;
There was a pending federal judicial proceeding;
The defendant knew of the proceeding; and
The defendant had corrupt intent to interfere with or attempted to interfere with the proceeding.
Since some decsions were made with reasons for making the decision, some of them could be interpreted with reasonable doubt ,that he was attempting to obstruct.
The actual codes are as follows;
Obstruction of justice is defined by federal statute as any "interference with the orderly administration of law and justice" and governed by 18 U.S.C. §§ 1501-1521. Federal code identifies more than 20 specific types of obstruction, including "Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees" (18 U.S.C. § 1505), the specific code section cited in the Nixon and Clinton articles of impeachment.

Other incidents are;
Influencing or injuring an officer or juror generally (18 U.S.C. § 1503)
Obstruction of criminal investigations (18 U.S.C. § 1510)
Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant (18 U.S.C. § 1512)
Retaliating against a witness, victim, or an informant (18 U.S.C. § 1513)
Destruction of corporate audit records (18 U.S.C. § 1520).

Now as with everthing that can be done you interpret the infomation as you want, which both conservatives and liberals have done.
This info came from the Findlaw.com so yes it was possible that he did obstruct, it is not on the investigator to make the decision he just provides the
facts or some may call them non facts.
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Apr 17, 2019 18:48:27   #
fullspinzoo wrote:
watch what happens when we get one more originalist. The Left is so desperate to keep Ginsburg around, they'll be propping her up "Weekend at Bernies" style, after she passes.


May not make a difference if the court is to maintain its standing as the third arm of government. The Justices can't been v****g along party lines , the reason we have three branches is to have check and balances. So one arm dosen't get to much out of control. It doesn't mean that the court will make the correct decsions they have come up with some bad ones.
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Apr 17, 2019 08:53:02   #
fullspinzoo wrote:
When the dust settles, a******n in America may be more restricted than at any time since the Roe decision, all because the Left wouldn't leave well enough alone. https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/04/the_lefts_overreach_on_a******n.html


Considering that that Roe vs Wade was started in 73 , there have multiple attempts at reversing it. The first attempt was by Reagan using his office to change the law. This attempt politicization the case , as the right to birth groups started to oppose the law they in turn became more powerful. Then continued attempts at changing it using constitutional amendment. Then came the people outside of clinics trying to keep the people from going in. That worked to some extent, but not enough it then turned to violence. The bombing and doctors k*****g started to close down the clinic. Then reducing public funding was the next target. In 93 Clinton was able to reverse the gag rule which didn't allow staff to give infomation on a******n. Then Informed consent was started which gave the person who is looking for a a******n the different problems , alternatives and an requirement to inform parents if needed. In 2016 Justices in the case, Whole Woman’s Health v. Hellerstedt, struck down the two-part Texas law which required clinics providing a******n services to meet the same building standards as walk-in surgical. Of course In 2015, California lawmakers signed a bill into law requiring crisis pregnancy centers -- counseling centers that don't offer a******n services -- to provide notice of public programs that cover additional family planning services, including a******n. However, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the law in a 2018 decision (NIFLA v. Becerra), citing First Amendment free speech protections.
This info came from Findlaw.com. When your beliefs are attacked you have to defend. So it no wonder that this subject causes so much h**e and discontent. At the moment most laws being submitted are by conservatives and liberals are counter punching.
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Apr 9, 2019 00:06:51   #
proud republican wrote:
https://www.nationalmemo.com/why-hasnt-bernie-sanders-released-his-tax-returns/


Looks like Bernie is emerging as Frontrunner!!!!....Trump vs Sanders..I put my money on President Trump!!!


Sanders offered as many as Trump one tax return once in 2016 and again for
the run in 2020.
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Apr 8, 2019 23:30:37   #
Carol Kelly wrote:
You must have heard that on CNN or MSNBC anywhere but Fox. I haven’t read it.
And I can’t take your word for it. Sorry.


When he was starting his run at the presidency, that is when he made the first promise . That as soon as the IRS finish the audit he was going to show them.
This is a recent article ,

Reuters
Politics
January 31 2019
'SHALL FURNISH’
As the Republican p**********l nominee in 2016, Trump broke with decades of precedent by refusing to release his returns, saying they were being audited by the IRS. Many tax experts have replied that an IRS audit does not preclude their release.

As president, Trump has retained ownership of extensive hotel interests and other business ventures. For this reason, House Democrats say his returns would be a linchpin for oversight investigations of potential ties between the president and Russia and other conflicts of interest.
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Apr 8, 2019 11:01:55   #
waltmoreno wrote:
Ain't that the t***h? Our country is undergoing what even Obama's Border Security Chief calls an undeniable crisis. Hundreds of thousands of i*****l a***ns are crossing our southern border and more "caravans", aka invasions are now getting underway. Most from Central America. Our current laws mandate that anyone who steps foot onto US soil and requests asylum, to be allowed to remain in the US and given a hearing. Which because of the backlog is years hence. And if the i******s come with a child, the families can't be separated. So, because all our detention facilities are already overflowing, these people are given a court date for their bogus asylum claim (well over 90% are denied), and bussed into the interiors of the US. Never to return for their court date.
Add to this the archaic immigration lottery laws, where siblings, parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, and even extended family gets to come in. And the i***tic lottery i*********n l*ws. Where Anyone can come in depending on luck of the draw. And the insane anchor baby laws. Where a pregnant woman comes to the US and presto, gives birth to an American citizen. The only such law in the world.
So with all these problems at the border, are any Democrats focused on changing these laws? To help staunch the hemorrhaging at the border?
Our nation's border laws are so archaic, and unworkable, they're the worst in the whole world. You'd think the Dems would want to help out by changing these laws.
Not a chance!
Democrats are focused on getting Trump's tax returns - for the last 6 years.
Hopefully, after Trump wins in a landslide in 2020 v**ers will also give him a conservative Republican House of Representatives who will help him address our problems of i*****l i*********n.
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30 other countries do the birth to citizenship, and no the number of denials is closer to 80 % but it also depends on how many other approvals that were made for your country.
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Apr 8, 2019 09:54:13   #
proud republican wrote:
Its not a teaching tool when you have the whole courses of how to get rid off President of the United States...Imagine what would of happened if it was obama......All the colleges will be closed and sued!!!...H**e for this President is unbelievable!!1


When teaching is used at anytime it will upset some. Civics is being taught if the instruction is based on what options are available within the constitutional framework. At the moment Trump is in office if Obama was in office his support would be just as upset. As far as closing college's and lawsuits being brought against them. The lawsuits maybe ,but closing I have to disagree colleges are in it for the money just like any other business, will only close when there isn't any money. Being that both the conservatives and liberals have people with enough money and a large need to control, the money will be available.
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Apr 8, 2019 02:11:26   #
proud republican wrote:
There are universities that actually teach how to impeach President Trump...That he is the same as Hitler...How to get rid of Trump....This is d********g and this what parents are paying for!!!!....Absolutely make me sick!!!1
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Isn't it what civics is about at least something that needs to be taught is being taught. The rest no arguement maybe wrong. To teach it helps to have examples at the moment some of Trump's actions can be used as a teaching tool.
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Apr 7, 2019 23:39:45   #
tbutkovich wrote:
Have you been to Yemen. I have. Perhaps we should invite every Yemeni who has a bad circumstance to walk into our country. Let’s see, we have several hundred countries that have underprivileged/disadvantaged citizens that need a better life. We should all sell our houses, cars, cash in our life savings and give to the poor unvetted immigrants knocking on our door. Give them everything they want, problem solved!

It turns out that the demise of nations and their problems stem from political leaders, and their policies. Venezuela is a case in point. If these Central American Countries were receptive to capitalism, democratic principals, Christian values, businesses would invest their capital in nation building, the countries would flourish and people would not be vying for exit visas.
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If your answer was directed to me yes I have also been to Thailand, Philippines, Korea, Africa and also Beruit. So yes I have seen what can happen to countries that have a decent type government and those whose governments are screwed up. Also in a direct result to what happened after a decision made by our government. Yes a country would flourish if their governments would have been left alone. Capitalism is only good until the people who are put in charge don't get greedy.
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Apr 7, 2019 10:40:17   #
proud republican wrote:
https://cowgernation.com/2019/04/06/it-is-outrageous-that-supporting-trump-is-dangerous/


It just means that people who support Trump are being profiled. The same way others have been profiled. The result is a visible example of what happens when you judge by stereotypes.
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Apr 7, 2019 10:23:54   #
tbutkovich wrote:
Excuse Me, “Unintended Results”

Maybe Jesus would ask us to have more compassion for the hundreds of thousands of homeless people who are drug addicts in our cities. Check out the article: “Seattle, a dying city” on Real Politics if you have an extra hour to spare. These people deserve our attention far more than those healthy immigrants marching to our borders. Read the article and then tell me about “our priorities” as a “compassionate country.”


Jesus would say have compassion for both the homeless here and abroad. The problem seems to be that the persons that are put in charge by the v**ers,have their own ideas and are allowed to run with them without anyone holding them accountable. Mostly alot of people have forgotten what has been taught along religious lines. The immigrants are coming here to try and get a better life. Which is not available any longer because of some this countries policies which have caused problem in the parent countries. Like the statement made that you get what you v**e for. If you v**e to advance yourself and not to advance country then you may be considered to be part of the problem.
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Apr 5, 2019 08:55:28   #
tbutkovich wrote:
Far too many v**ers choose candidates who are eloquent, who smile, who kiss babies, or strictly along party lines. Our i*********n l*ws, border security are extremely important issues for the American People. MS Gang members have put the word out that the best way to get into and stay in the US is to bring a child into the country, hence child trafficking is the result. An important question that needs to be answered is once the gang member gets into the US, what happens to that child? It is time for the Democrat controlled house to act on immigration policy and border security. American’s should withhold their pay until they bring a bill to the house floor addressing both of thes issues! Also we need to challenge all those running for elected office as to where they stand on these issues, what they have done to rectify these problems. If v**ers don’t like the answer, kick their worthless A$$’s out of office. WE HAVE TO DEMAND MORE FROM OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS!
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I have to agree on some points but both parties have their share causing the immigration problems. Bills have been submitted but shot down because nobody wanted to do anything about it. Because it is such a hot topic it will stay in the forefront as the go to reason not to approve anything.
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Apr 2, 2019 08:32:16   #
rumitoid wrote:
I don't think quantity should ever be a criterion, but quality of life is tough to nail down; it will always be highly relative. Any attempt, I feel, to define quality of life is possible only for an individual.


Because of the individual definition of quailty is so personal, that is why the conversation has to be held by every individual with the person who may be in the position to make the decision. It will always be a hard choice to make, the guidelines will help by being there to follow as needed.
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