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Jan 10, 2014 12:22:40   #
I knew about drug screening but I didn't know about polygraphs. It could have saved my small county big dollars. Weveve had scandal after scandal involving missapropriation embezzelment and sex.
GEM lucas wrote:
It was the same on my job, random check,but it was for alcohol & drugs. I never failed the test. also i could pass a test on honesty . It would still be a good idea though ,just to see if they are 100 percent honest.
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Jan 10, 2014 11:24:22   #
You are nicer than I am when Some one ticks me off. I like your style.
jonhatfield wrote:
Kardon me, Kastrolite, I korgot to kugest you kinvite Banjo Kack and Kickey to your kantasy karty in kastrolite land with all the other kutty kightwing kuacks.


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Jan 10, 2014 08:02:03   #
Nailed it
Glaucon wrote:
RIGHT WING EXTREMESTS
The purpose of this group is to discuss right wing extremism and its impact on American politics.
A technical name for right wing extremists is Authoritarian followers and they can be described by the twelve indicators following: If you are able to read this through the definition of Authoritarian follower, and attempt to understand it, even while you may disagree with it, you are extremely unlikely to be an authoritarian follower. True Authoritarian followers find it impossible to read through and comprehend it or to see it in himself.

Definitions of Authoritarian Followers:

1. Authoritarian submission. Authoritarian followers submit to the people they consider authorities much more than non-authoritarians do. In this context, authoritarian followers seem to believe without question wh**ever their chosen authorities say. Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, various religious groups, the House and Senate GOP leaders, Sen. Grassley from Iowa, Rep. Bachmann from Minnesota, and of course Sarah Palin can say wh**ever they want about their opposition, and the followers will accept it and repeat it. The followers don't find out for themselves what is really in a bill, what a treaty actually specifies, or whether taxes have really gone up. They are happy to let Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin do their thinking for them. It has gotten so bad that their leaders casually say preposterous things that are easily refuted, because they know their audience will never believe the t***h, or even hear it.

2. Fear. Fear constantly pulses through authoritarian followers, and Tea Partiers are mightily frightened. They believe President Obama is a dictator. They also think the country will be destroyed by its mounting debt. They readily believed the health care proposals provided for “death panels” that will euthanize Downs syndrome babies, “put Grandma in the grave,” and place microchips in each American so the government can track us. Conservative leaders especially vilify Barack Obama, recently calling him in the space of two days the “most radical president ever” (Gingrich) who is “inflicting untold damage on this great country” (Limbaugh) and is inviting a nuclear attack on the United States by indicating we won't hit back (Palin). The people who authoritarian followers know well what button to push first and hardest among social conservatives, and they work it overtime. And they know spreading fear “works” with others as well.

3. Self-righteousness. Self-righteousness runs very strongly in authoritarian followers, and combines with fear to unleash aggression in them. The followers commonly describe themselves
as “the good Americans,” “the true Americans,” “the people,” and “the American Patriots.” They could hardly wrap themselves in the f**g more thoroughly or more often than they do. Theirs is the holy cause. They believe they are the only ones who can save the country.

4. Hostility. Authoritarian aggression is one of the defining characteristics of authoritarian followers. Do authoritarian followers seem particularly aggressive? They angrily call people who disagree with them “Liars,” “C*******ts,” and “T*****rs.” 5. A lack of critical thinking. Authoritarian followers have more trouble thinking logically than most people do. In particular, they tend to agree with sayings and slogans, even contradictory ones, because they have heard them a lot. Thus authoritarian followers reflexively, patriotically thump that the United States is the best country on earth, but as well that it is now an Obama dictatorship. They also have extra trouble applying logic to false reasoning when they like the conclusion. A ready example can be found in their assertion that Obama is a socialist. They have heard this over and over again from Rush Limbaugh, etcetera, and “so it must be true.” But Obama has never advocated state ownership of an industry. He certainly did not advocate state ownership of health insurance, and eventually even backed away from the “public option” (that most Americans wanted) which would have let the government as well as private companies offer health insurance. 3

6. Our “biggest problem.” Authoritarian followers will readily believe that lots of things are our “biggest problem.” It can be drugs, the decline of religion, the breakdown of the family, you name it. Thus it was not hard to get followers worked up about, of all things, a plan to improve health care to the levels found in other industrialized countries. Yet Tea Partiers believe the passage of the health care bill marks the end of liberty. But they could just as easily have been led to believe that c*****e c****e legislation, nuclear disarmament, gay marriage, or taking “In God we trust” off the money would sound the death knell for America. In earlier eras it could have been sex education, Sunday shopping, the 40-hour week, or a Catholic president that would lead to our doom.

7. Compartmentalized thinking. Authoritarian followers can have so many contradictory beliefs and “biggest problems” because their thinking is highly compartmentalized. Ideas exist independently of the other ideas in their head. Their thinking is so unintegrated because they have spent their lives copying what their authorities say, without examining whether the ideas fit together sensibly. And followers say over and over that the Democrats are installing a dictatorship, but they demonstrate every time they demonstrate that Americans still have all the freedom of speech they ever had. And one notes the health care reforms bear a striking resemblance to Social Security and Medicare—which many of the protestors happily enjoy and would never give up.

8. Double Standards. Highly compartmentalized thinking makes it easy for authoritarian followers to employ double standards in their judgments. Followers protested about the federal deficit growing by unprecedented leaps and bounds under Obama. But it grew by unprecedented leaps and bounds during George W. Bush's presidency, also. Followers have asserted that the Obama administration has too much power and is taking away our Constitutional rights. But they did not cry out when President Bush set up illegal domestic spying operations. Followers howled, on cue, when the Senate used the reconciliation process to pass health care reform. How loudly did they howl when the Republicans used reconciliation to pass George W. Bush's tax cuts? It’s pretty clear that many, many followers aren’t really against the things they say they’re against.

9. Feeling empowered when in groups. Authoritarian followers seem to want to disappear as individuals. They are not comfortable taking stands on their own, or acting alone. Instead they seem fulfilled simply by being part of a large, powerful movement on the march. experiments have shown that authoritarian followers are highly conforming. Being in a crowd of fellow-believers also helps them maintain their opinions.

10. Dogmatism. We also know that authoritarian followers lead the league in being dogmatic. When their leaders set their opinions for them, those opinions are set in stone. Experiments show that nothing (aside from their authorities) can convince them they are wrong. If overwhelmed by logic and evidence, they simply “castle” into dogmatism. This is probably because they don't really know why they believe what they believe. They didn't figure it out for themselves; they Xeroxed what their authorities said.
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11. Ethnocentrism. Authoritarian followers are notably ethnocentric, constantly judging others and events through “Us versus Them” lenses. They largely choose their friends according to their beliefs. They stick to news outlets that tell them what they want to hear. They live in a polarized world, divided into their in-group, and out-groups consisting of everybody else. They stress in-group loyalty, and try to keep their distance from the out-groups. They wrap themselves in the f**g so tightly, everybody else is outside it. They have very definite out-groups. This fierce in-group orientation, along with the followers&#8223; need for external confirmation of their beliefs, explains why Fox News has such a big audience compared with other outlets, why Sarah Palin's, Glenn Beck's, and Ann Coulter's books leap to the top of the best sellers lists, and why “h**e radio” is so popular. Authoritarian followers have to get their ideas “validated” by others more than most people do. So they constantly seek out sources of information that will tell them they are right. It amounts to in-group in-breeding of the intellect. Research shows that less authoritarian people are more likely to consider different sides of an issue, and figure things out more for themselves.

12. Prejudice. Studies have found that authoritarian followers are among the most prejudiced people in society. It is the nastiest aspect of their ethnocentrism, and one they insistently deny—to others and to themselves. And they really do not realize how prejudiced they are, compared with others, because they associate so much with other prejudiced people. So their prejudices seem normal and perfectly justified to them.
Notes: Congratulations, If you have read the entire post, It is very safe to say that you are not an authoritarian follower.
These characteristics are excerpted and modified from an article titled, Comments on the Tea Party movement at http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/drbob/Comment%20on%20the%20Tea%20Party.pdf
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Jan 10, 2014 07:55:12   #
hang em where they are. No more prisoners no more gitmo
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Jan 10, 2014 07:51:59   #
Putting every one on a gauranteed income by expanding and overwhelming the welfare system is a c*******t strategy. When the USSR collapsed and Germany became one country again the East Germans lived under such a strategy and had no work ethics or sk**ls and as a result were despised by WestGermans who were burdened with what to do with East germans who did not know how to work.I heard this from Germans that I know.
TroubleshooterTim wrote:
Actually there is academic debate on this subject.
There are a number of academics pushing the economic benefits of legalizing i*****l i*******ts. Here is a link to a USC paper submitted January 2010 pressing this position.
http://csii.usc.edu/documents/economic_benefits_immigrant_authorization.pdfUSC sociology professors have since submitted articles repeating the points of Dr. Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda.

Their 'well researched positions' have pretty weak arguments in my book. I don't see how we can allow millions to be legalized to take jobs, and pressing for a $15 min. wage for all these new workers, while expanding welfare benefits will help our economy to recover from the massive debts.

Ah, but then I am reminded of the 'Cloward Piven Strategy'.
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Jan 10, 2014 07:39:04   #
I have seen politicions pull the "punishment" strategy on others personally.Any polititicion who pulls crap to punish another is without ethics and can't be trusted. If Christie runs and he was the repubs best hope this is going to be the issue that sinks him. The RNC has to be pretty upset about now.
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Jan 10, 2014 01:21:53   #
you are on to something there
What the---- wrote:
I'm thinking of polygraph testing on a voluntary bases---not compulsory,
Which, I agree, would not fly. But, those refusing to take the test would certainly be remembered on e******n day as untrustworthy, would they not?
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Jan 9, 2014 23:01:36   #
We expect our office holders to be a cut above in honesty and morality. Polygraphs would be a tool to insure honesty. I'm not sure of the legality of it and no doubt there would be a push back if this were to be a requirement. Still see your point
What the---- wrote:
The Governor is the kingpin of state government. To v**e into office a governor, mayor, senator or state representative that do not posses uppermost the basic, humane quality of t***h and Justice for the people they represent is most certainly a crime in itself.
Independently administered, electronic polygraph testing would seem to be an appropriate method to help weed out self-serving, thieving government office holders that couldn't care less for the people they
Supposedly serve. This might be one way to start clearing the bums out.
Why not????
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Jan 9, 2014 22:44:17   #
Quite an idea but the polygraph is used on those accused of crimes.The elected official would have to have been accused of a crime and polygraphed on ly on probable cause. Darned if I can't agree with you though
What the---- wrote:
Should not all government office holders, city to federal, be subjected to sporadic polygraph testing? Even government held t***hs need to be verified.
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Jan 9, 2014 09:04:41   #
"Feral B****s" Are there also "tame B****s" or as some might say "good ni----rs
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Jan 9, 2014 00:18:52   #
you're worse of than I thought. I wish you peace really. No body should be so unhappy. Best wishes here
ElAku wrote:
You're damned right I've been a victim! And until I put the fire under the right pot not one solitary consideration went my way regadless of the law on the books!

And, for the record: I don't give a rat's patootie what YOU or anybody like you thinks ... especially of me.

And again for the record: when the body-count got sufficient, the bulls**t stopped ... INSTANTLY! You can read the entire account AED and I don't give a damn whether you like it or not.

The Most High, Himself, testifies to the T***H of each and every word, statement and claim in it - so I'm very much unimpressed with anybody else's opinion.
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Jan 8, 2014 21:53:48   #
I'm with you working class stiff. This radical talk of o*******ws and c**ps and Obama Fever? People sure can come up with wacky ideas.
working class stiff wrote:
What's a waste of time is advocating a military c**p. Where in the constitution does it say the military can o*******w the duly elected gov't of the country?
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Jan 8, 2014 21:14:51   #
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Jan 8, 2014 21:11:40   #
You should get prepared to be dissapointed. Threats and posturing like you are is not winning over any body you wish to convert to your twisted idealism. Try to start a civil war and you will surely die. You are a rebel without a cause.
robertdavidhummel wrote:
The WORD that is said behind closed doors is"Allah-Ach-Bar".

Pointedly...We Patriots NEED do something, before the worst case senario... ANOTHER CIVIL WAR...seed is sown by the Anti-American OBAMA...PERIOD.

"Operation Amercan Spring", ...May be the best FIRST Step with... "We the Patriots, REVOKING ..The Power of a SOCIALIST/MARXIST GOVERNMENT... TO WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE GOVERNMENT MANAGERS"...PERIOD.

Impeachment Options, are essentially "A Day Late and a Dollar Short", and would likely be just another DISTRACTOR, while still ALLOWING Obama's ADMINISTRATION CZAR'S to continue to WREAK HAVOC...enforcing a Rule of Law, Decree's, and Edict's,... WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL Oversight, NOR, Approval... PERIOD.


I would rather endure the Dangers of Freedom than enjoy the Peace of S***ery…PERIOD
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Jan 8, 2014 21:01:27   #
You are obviosly a messed up person with ptsd. you need help. You coming off the way you do does not impress me and you have no Idea what you are saying You say you are a victim so be it Don't victimize others. You are wrong to do that.
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And you're part of the multi-billion graft machine of courts, police, prosecution, prisons, pardon and parole systems!

Had I not been a victim, I wouldn't know! Try Indiana 45289 ... until the process of extermination got all you bastard's attention! All duly documented ...

The pittances you throw around do NOT impress me one damned bit!
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