RIGHT WING EXTREMISM AND POLITCS
Jan 7, 2014 19:45:08 #
RIGHT WING EXTREMESTS
The purpose of this group is to discuss right wing extremism and its impact on American politics.
A technical name for right wing extremists is Authoritarian followers and they can be described by the twelve indicators following: If you are able to read this through the definition of Authoritarian follower, and attempt to understand it, even while you may disagree with it, you are extremely unlikely to be an authoritarian follower. True Authoritarian followers find it impossible to read through and comprehend it or to see it in himself.
Definitions of Authoritarian Followers:
1. Authoritarian submission. Authoritarian followers submit to the people they consider authorities much more than non-authoritarians do. In this context, authoritarian followers seem to believe without question wh**ever their chosen authorities say. Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, various religious groups, the House and Senate GOP leaders, Sen. Grassley from Iowa, Rep. Bachmann from Minnesota, and of course Sarah Palin can say wh**ever they want about their opposition, and the followers will accept it and repeat it. The followers don't find out for themselves what is really in a bill, what a treaty actually specifies, or whether taxes have really gone up. They are happy to let Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin do their thinking for them. It has gotten so bad that their leaders casually say preposterous things that are easily refuted, because they know their audience will never believe the t***h, or even hear it.
2. Fear. Fear constantly pulses through authoritarian followers, and Tea Partiers are mightily frightened. They believe President Obama is a dictator. They also think the country will be destroyed by its mounting debt. They readily believed the health care proposals provided for death panels that will euthanize Downs syndrome babies, put Grandma in the grave, and place microchips in each American so the government can track us. Conservative leaders especially vilify Barack Obama, recently calling him in the space of two days the most radical president ever (Gingrich) who is inflicting untold damage on this great country (Limbaugh) and is inviting a nuclear attack on the United States by indicating we won't hit back (Palin). The people who authoritarian followers know well what button to push first and hardest among social conservatives, and they work it overtime. And they know spreading fear works with others as well.
3. Self-righteousness. Self-righteousness runs very strongly in authoritarian followers, and combines with fear to unleash aggression in them. The followers commonly describe themselves
as the good Americans, the true Americans, the people, and the American Patriots. They could hardly wrap themselves in the f**g more thoroughly or more often than they do. Theirs is the holy cause. They believe they are the only ones who can save the country.
4. Hostility. Authoritarian aggression is one of the defining characteristics of authoritarian followers. Do authoritarian followers seem particularly aggressive? They angrily call people who disagree with them Liars, C*******ts, and T*****rs. 5. A lack of critical thinking. Authoritarian followers have more trouble thinking logically than most people do. In particular, they tend to agree with sayings and slogans, even contradictory ones, because they have heard them a lot. Thus authoritarian followers reflexively, patriotically thump that the United States is the best country on earth, but as well that it is now an Obama dictatorship. They also have extra trouble applying logic to false reasoning when they like the conclusion. A ready example can be found in their assertion that Obama is a socialist. They have heard this over and over again from Rush Limbaugh, etcetera, and so it must be true. But Obama has never advocated state ownership of an industry. He certainly did not advocate state ownership of health insurance, and eventually even backed away from the public option (that most Americans wanted) which would have let the government as well as private companies offer health insurance. 3
6. Our biggest problem. Authoritarian followers will readily believe that lots of things are our biggest problem. It can be drugs, the decline of religion, the breakdown of the family, you name it. Thus it was not hard to get followers worked up about, of all things, a plan to improve health care to the levels found in other industrialized countries. Yet Tea Partiers believe the passage of the health care bill marks the end of liberty. But they could just as easily have been led to believe that c*****e c****e legislation, nuclear disarmament, gay marriage, or taking In God we trust off the money would sound the death knell for America. In earlier eras it could have been sex education, Sunday shopping, the 40-hour week, or a Catholic president that would lead to our doom.
7. Compartmentalized thinking. Authoritarian followers can have so many contradictory beliefs and biggest problems because their thinking is highly compartmentalized. Ideas exist independently of the other ideas in their head. Their thinking is so unintegrated because they have spent their lives copying what their authorities say, without examining whether the ideas fit together sensibly. And followers say over and over that the Democrats are installing a dictatorship, but they demonstrate every time they demonstrate that Americans still have all the freedom of speech they ever had. And one notes the health care reforms bear a striking resemblance to Social Security and Medicarewhich many of the protestors happily enjoy and would never give up.
8. Double Standards. Highly compartmentalized thinking makes it easy for authoritarian followers to employ double standards in their judgments. Followers protested about the federal deficit growing by unprecedented leaps and bounds under Obama. But it grew by unprecedented leaps and bounds during George W. Bush's presidency, also. Followers have asserted that the Obama administration has too much power and is taking away our Constitutional rights. But they did not cry out when President Bush set up illegal domestic spying operations. Followers howled, on cue, when the Senate used the reconciliation process to pass health care reform. How loudly did they howl when the Republicans used reconciliation to pass George W. Bush's tax cuts? Its pretty clear that many, many followers arent really against the things they say theyre against.
9. Feeling empowered when in groups. Authoritarian followers seem to want to disappear as individuals. They are not comfortable taking stands on their own, or acting alone. Instead they seem fulfilled simply by being part of a large, powerful movement on the march. experiments have shown that authoritarian followers are highly conforming. Being in a crowd of fellow-believers also helps them maintain their opinions.
10. Dogmatism. We also know that authoritarian followers lead the league in being dogmatic. When their leaders set their opinions for them, those opinions are set in stone. Experiments show that nothing (aside from their authorities) can convince them they are wrong. If overwhelmed by logic and evidence, they simply castle into dogmatism. This is probably because they don't really know why they believe what they believe. They didn't figure it out for themselves; they Xeroxed what their authorities said.
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11. Ethnocentrism. Authoritarian followers are notably ethnocentric, constantly judging others and events through Us versus Them lenses. They largely choose their friends according to their beliefs. They stick to news outlets that tell them what they want to hear. They live in a polarized world, divided into their in-group, and out-groups consisting of everybody else. They stress in-group loyalty, and try to keep their distance from the out-groups. They wrap themselves in the f**g so tightly, everybody else is outside it. They have very definite out-groups. This fierce in-group orientation, along with the followers‟ need for external confirmation of their beliefs, explains why Fox News has such a big audience compared with other outlets, why Sarah Palin's, Glenn Beck's, and Ann Coulter's books leap to the top of the best sellers lists, and why h**e radio is so popular. Authoritarian followers have to get their ideas validated by others more than most people do. So they constantly seek out sources of information that will tell them they are right. It amounts to in-group in-breeding of the intellect. Research shows that less authoritarian people are more likely to consider different sides of an issue, and figure things out more for themselves.
12. Prejudice. Studies have found that authoritarian followers are among the most prejudiced people in society. It is the nastiest aspect of their ethnocentrism, and one they insistently denyto others and to themselves. And they really do not realize how prejudiced they are, compared with others, because they associate so much with other prejudiced people. So their prejudices seem normal and perfectly justified to them.
Notes: Congratulations, If you have read the entire post, It is very safe to say that you are not an authoritarian follower.
These characteristics are excerpted and modified from an article titled, Comments on the Tea Party movement at http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/drbob/Comment%20on%20the%20Tea%20Party.pdf
The purpose of this group is to discuss right wing extremism and its impact on American politics.
A technical name for right wing extremists is Authoritarian followers and they can be described by the twelve indicators following: If you are able to read this through the definition of Authoritarian follower, and attempt to understand it, even while you may disagree with it, you are extremely unlikely to be an authoritarian follower. True Authoritarian followers find it impossible to read through and comprehend it or to see it in himself.
Definitions of Authoritarian Followers:
1. Authoritarian submission. Authoritarian followers submit to the people they consider authorities much more than non-authoritarians do. In this context, authoritarian followers seem to believe without question wh**ever their chosen authorities say. Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, various religious groups, the House and Senate GOP leaders, Sen. Grassley from Iowa, Rep. Bachmann from Minnesota, and of course Sarah Palin can say wh**ever they want about their opposition, and the followers will accept it and repeat it. The followers don't find out for themselves what is really in a bill, what a treaty actually specifies, or whether taxes have really gone up. They are happy to let Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin do their thinking for them. It has gotten so bad that their leaders casually say preposterous things that are easily refuted, because they know their audience will never believe the t***h, or even hear it.
2. Fear. Fear constantly pulses through authoritarian followers, and Tea Partiers are mightily frightened. They believe President Obama is a dictator. They also think the country will be destroyed by its mounting debt. They readily believed the health care proposals provided for death panels that will euthanize Downs syndrome babies, put Grandma in the grave, and place microchips in each American so the government can track us. Conservative leaders especially vilify Barack Obama, recently calling him in the space of two days the most radical president ever (Gingrich) who is inflicting untold damage on this great country (Limbaugh) and is inviting a nuclear attack on the United States by indicating we won't hit back (Palin). The people who authoritarian followers know well what button to push first and hardest among social conservatives, and they work it overtime. And they know spreading fear works with others as well.
3. Self-righteousness. Self-righteousness runs very strongly in authoritarian followers, and combines with fear to unleash aggression in them. The followers commonly describe themselves
as the good Americans, the true Americans, the people, and the American Patriots. They could hardly wrap themselves in the f**g more thoroughly or more often than they do. Theirs is the holy cause. They believe they are the only ones who can save the country.
4. Hostility. Authoritarian aggression is one of the defining characteristics of authoritarian followers. Do authoritarian followers seem particularly aggressive? They angrily call people who disagree with them Liars, C*******ts, and T*****rs. 5. A lack of critical thinking. Authoritarian followers have more trouble thinking logically than most people do. In particular, they tend to agree with sayings and slogans, even contradictory ones, because they have heard them a lot. Thus authoritarian followers reflexively, patriotically thump that the United States is the best country on earth, but as well that it is now an Obama dictatorship. They also have extra trouble applying logic to false reasoning when they like the conclusion. A ready example can be found in their assertion that Obama is a socialist. They have heard this over and over again from Rush Limbaugh, etcetera, and so it must be true. But Obama has never advocated state ownership of an industry. He certainly did not advocate state ownership of health insurance, and eventually even backed away from the public option (that most Americans wanted) which would have let the government as well as private companies offer health insurance. 3
6. Our biggest problem. Authoritarian followers will readily believe that lots of things are our biggest problem. It can be drugs, the decline of religion, the breakdown of the family, you name it. Thus it was not hard to get followers worked up about, of all things, a plan to improve health care to the levels found in other industrialized countries. Yet Tea Partiers believe the passage of the health care bill marks the end of liberty. But they could just as easily have been led to believe that c*****e c****e legislation, nuclear disarmament, gay marriage, or taking In God we trust off the money would sound the death knell for America. In earlier eras it could have been sex education, Sunday shopping, the 40-hour week, or a Catholic president that would lead to our doom.
7. Compartmentalized thinking. Authoritarian followers can have so many contradictory beliefs and biggest problems because their thinking is highly compartmentalized. Ideas exist independently of the other ideas in their head. Their thinking is so unintegrated because they have spent their lives copying what their authorities say, without examining whether the ideas fit together sensibly. And followers say over and over that the Democrats are installing a dictatorship, but they demonstrate every time they demonstrate that Americans still have all the freedom of speech they ever had. And one notes the health care reforms bear a striking resemblance to Social Security and Medicarewhich many of the protestors happily enjoy and would never give up.
8. Double Standards. Highly compartmentalized thinking makes it easy for authoritarian followers to employ double standards in their judgments. Followers protested about the federal deficit growing by unprecedented leaps and bounds under Obama. But it grew by unprecedented leaps and bounds during George W. Bush's presidency, also. Followers have asserted that the Obama administration has too much power and is taking away our Constitutional rights. But they did not cry out when President Bush set up illegal domestic spying operations. Followers howled, on cue, when the Senate used the reconciliation process to pass health care reform. How loudly did they howl when the Republicans used reconciliation to pass George W. Bush's tax cuts? Its pretty clear that many, many followers arent really against the things they say theyre against.
9. Feeling empowered when in groups. Authoritarian followers seem to want to disappear as individuals. They are not comfortable taking stands on their own, or acting alone. Instead they seem fulfilled simply by being part of a large, powerful movement on the march. experiments have shown that authoritarian followers are highly conforming. Being in a crowd of fellow-believers also helps them maintain their opinions.
10. Dogmatism. We also know that authoritarian followers lead the league in being dogmatic. When their leaders set their opinions for them, those opinions are set in stone. Experiments show that nothing (aside from their authorities) can convince them they are wrong. If overwhelmed by logic and evidence, they simply castle into dogmatism. This is probably because they don't really know why they believe what they believe. They didn't figure it out for themselves; they Xeroxed what their authorities said.
.
11. Ethnocentrism. Authoritarian followers are notably ethnocentric, constantly judging others and events through Us versus Them lenses. They largely choose their friends according to their beliefs. They stick to news outlets that tell them what they want to hear. They live in a polarized world, divided into their in-group, and out-groups consisting of everybody else. They stress in-group loyalty, and try to keep their distance from the out-groups. They wrap themselves in the f**g so tightly, everybody else is outside it. They have very definite out-groups. This fierce in-group orientation, along with the followers‟ need for external confirmation of their beliefs, explains why Fox News has such a big audience compared with other outlets, why Sarah Palin's, Glenn Beck's, and Ann Coulter's books leap to the top of the best sellers lists, and why h**e radio is so popular. Authoritarian followers have to get their ideas validated by others more than most people do. So they constantly seek out sources of information that will tell them they are right. It amounts to in-group in-breeding of the intellect. Research shows that less authoritarian people are more likely to consider different sides of an issue, and figure things out more for themselves.
12. Prejudice. Studies have found that authoritarian followers are among the most prejudiced people in society. It is the nastiest aspect of their ethnocentrism, and one they insistently denyto others and to themselves. And they really do not realize how prejudiced they are, compared with others, because they associate so much with other prejudiced people. So their prejudices seem normal and perfectly justified to them.
Notes: Congratulations, If you have read the entire post, It is very safe to say that you are not an authoritarian follower.
These characteristics are excerpted and modified from an article titled, Comments on the Tea Party movement at http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/drbob/Comment%20on%20the%20Tea%20Party.pdf
Jan 7, 2014 19:52:55 #
Glaucon wrote:
RIGHT WING EXTREMESTS br The purpose of this group... (show quote)
Rolling on the floor, laughing my ass off.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,
You just described yourself!!!
Jan 7, 2014 19:53:17 #
Glaucon wrote:
RIGHT WING EXTREMESTS br The purpose of this group... (show quote)
Thanks for the input. One of the best books on authoritarian personalities is the "True Believer" by Eric Hoffer. It is one of the best books on extremism ever written.
:thumbup:
Jan 7, 2014 19:53:51 #
slatten49
Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
Wow. What was that line out of the old Betty Davis movie?
Something akin to, "It's going to be a bumpy ride, tonight!" :mrgreen:
Something akin to, "It's going to be a bumpy ride, tonight!" :mrgreen:
Jan 7, 2014 19:58:53 #
Reaganite wrote:
Rolling on the floor, laughing my ass off.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,
You just described yourself!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,
You just described yourself!!!
...and they say conservatives don't have a good sense of humor!
Jan 7, 2014 20:00:13 #
TroubleshooterTim
Loc: People's Republic of Oregon
Glaucon wrote:
RIGHT WING EXTREMESTS br The purpose of this group... (show quote)
Bob Altemeyers article, yeah, seen this before. I met him once, thought he was a self righteous blow-hard. The article you are citing comes from his book The Authoritarian Specter (I read it, although he makes little effort to support his conclusions, other than to say it is self-evident for his direct observations--kind of a blow hard's statement).
He did write an intriguing book in '97
Amazing Conversions: Why Some Turn to Faith & Others Abandon Religion which I found very insightful into why some run to, or from religion at different times during their life span.
OK, I read the entire post, so that must mean I'm excluded. I've never thought of myself as a dogmatic authoritarian anyway. Which of Altemeyer's postulations do you hold to?
Jan 7, 2014 20:04:37 #
Reaganite wrote:
Rolling on the floor, laughing my ass off.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,
You just described yourself!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,
You just described yourself!!!
I describe you in the article that you didn't read. You prove my point. From the HAHAHAs you have a lot of ass to laugh off. You haven't read it and you are unable to do so.
Jan 7, 2014 20:07:21 #
Brian Devon wrote:
Thanks for the input. One of the best books on authoritarian personalities is the "True Believer" by Eric Hoffer. It is one of the best books on extremism ever written.
:thumbup:
:thumbup:
Hoffer is as close as I get to having a hero.
Jan 7, 2014 20:10:46 #
Glaucon wrote:
Hoffer is as close as I get to having a hero.
I'm glad to know that other people remember him. That book, like "To K**l a Mockingbird" is in my top 5.
Jan 7, 2014 20:15:33 #
TroubleshooterTim wrote:
Bob Altemeyers article, yeah, seen this before. ... (show quote)
Amazing percentage of winger think Altemeyer is a blow hard.
I have never met an authoritarian follower who could even consider that he, himself, is an authoritarian follower.
There is massive and compelling research, including Altemeyer's that support his conclusions, but there is considerable evidence that the earth is not flat and many don't believe it. How about Obana's place of birth? What is your interest in this issue?
Jan 7, 2014 20:29:52 #
votenoobama
Loc: Texas
Glaucon wrote:
Amazing percentage of winger think Altemeyer is a blow hard.
I have never met an authoritarian follower who could even consider that he, himself, is an authoritarian follower.
There is massive and compelling research, including Altemeyer's that support his conclusions, but there is considerable evidence that the earth is not flat and many don't believe it. How about Obana's place of birth? What is your interest in this issue?
I have never met an authoritarian follower who could even consider that he, himself, is an authoritarian follower.
There is massive and compelling research, including Altemeyer's that support his conclusions, but there is considerable evidence that the earth is not flat and many don't believe it. How about Obana's place of birth? What is your interest in this issue?
Sorry, but this is all about a C*******t which is the Democrat C*******t Party. This is OUR Obama and the Democrat Party.
Jan 7, 2014 20:32:24 #
TroubleshooterTim wrote:
Bob Altemeyers article, yeah, seen this before. ... (show quote)
I have not read Altemeyer's Amazing conversions. It sounds interesting.. It isn't in my local library, but I think I will get it.
Jan 7, 2014 20:57:37 #
Glaucon wrote:
Followers protested about the federal deficit growing by unprecedented leaps and bounds under Obama. But it grew by unprecedented leaps and bounds during George W. Bush's presidency, also.
Followers protested about the federal deficit growing by unprecedented leaps and bounds under Obama. But it grew by unprecedented leaps and bounds during George W. Bush's presidency, also.
Are you talking about the 6 trillion Bush racked up in his entire 8 yrs. in office... (Which, by the way, was called "Unpatriotic" in a speech by Obama.) as opposed to Obama's 8 trillion after just his first four years???
And, yes, I did read the entire article...what part are you referring to that proves I didn't???
Jan 7, 2014 21:16:28 #
YAWN................YYYYYYYAAAAAWWWWNNNNNNN.
Glaucon wrote:
RIGHT WING EXTREMESTS br The purpose of this group... (show quote)
Jan 7, 2014 21:24:55 #
Reaganite wrote:
Are you talking about the 6 trillion Bush racked up in his entire 8 yrs. in office... (Which, by the way, was called "Unpatriotic" in a speech by Obama.) as opposed to Obama's 8 trillion after just his first four years???
And, yes, I did read the entire article...what part are you referring to that proves I didn't???
And, yes, I did read the entire article...what part are you referring to that proves I didn't???
Authoritarian followers often lie to protect there egos and their obsessions with being right even if they know that they are lying to themselves as well. A bit defensive about reading the article? why do you suppose that is?
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