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Dec 15, 2018 17:00:18   #
jack sequim wa wrote:
Now his long-winded but futile tit for tat of a juvenile, articles " don't call Protestants Christians".
Instead of answering scriptures.
A rational mind doesn't continue posting Catholic articles to prove itself. A rational mind refers to God's word.

John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

Many are called but few are chosen.

We know when we are seeking the truth of God sincerely in our hearts, God speaks to our heart to what is true. You freeded from the Catholic church and me from the Mormon church, we wanted the truth in our heart, we both were sincere.
I think there has to be a condition of the heart to see the truth revealed to us by the Holy Spirit.
When Jesus said "I stand at the door and knock" we know not everyone opens the door.
What stops them from opening the door? I believe there are things going on in the hearts that go deeper than digging their heels into Catholic doctrine, refusing the truth of God's word. Pride, lust, making themselves God's above others, hardened hearts, reprobate minds, haughty, ect, ect.
To continue on in the face of dozens of hard facts and biblical warnings, Biblical truths defending with shut ears, closed eyes to the prompting of the spirit that awakens souls seeking truth. There is a point that God gives followers in cults over to the seducing spirits, doctrine of demons in full oppression. The irrational return replies, vitriol hate and anger, even rage expressed in name calling, insults, wishing souls to hell, even death threats that would be willing to commit if possible are strong indicators of demonic strongholds but we can only leave it up to God that sees the hearts condition beyond our ability, to God that judges and places judgement. We can only be guided by God's word, continue defending the word of God, and giving the message of good news, the gospel of salvation according to the word of God.

God Bless

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I didn't know you were a Mormon. Wow. I've read some of their apologetics too. Mormonism doesn't have as much Christianity sprinkled in. I know a Mormon who only started going to the church because his friend was Mormon and the family took him to their services. He never left. A false church is a false church but Mormonism is really out there.
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Dec 15, 2018 16:49:11   #
Doc110 wrote:
balmer

Here is a ancient manuscript written in the mid to late 1st century, 60 AD to 100 AD.

It's the "The Didache".

Read the manuscript, compare your Protestant heretical Sunday services to the 1st century Catholic Church services of today.

The Catholic liturgical Mass services and the 7 sacramental services have not changed . . .


It doesn't matter if the Catholic mass is the same. A pagan ritual is still a pagan ritual. As a thread on here has already stated - Roman Catholicism threw Christianity out the window.

The didache is also not inspired and its speculation on who the authors were. The final authority is the bible. Not non-inspired writings.

The word Didache comes from the Greek word related to doctrine, didactic, teaching, etc. The Didache is a controversial instruction book, the date of writing of which has been much debated. Currently, the Didache, a non-canonical book, is believed to have been written between A.D. 70 and A.D. 100. It is claimed to be the work of the twelve Apostles. The Greek “Apostolic Constitutions” has many references to the Didache, with additional Scriptures added. The Didache seems to have been a sort of church manual for primitive Christians, probably in rural areas dependent mostly on itinerant ministers. It was revised over time into varying forms at various places.

Several writings and lists from the beginning of the fourth century refer to a writing known as the “Teaching” or “Teachings” of the Apostles. However, it is not proved that this is in reference to the Didache. The present version of the ancient Didache is a reliable guide to help understand the conduct code of the early Christian community.

The Didache deals with the roads to life and death. According to the Didache, the path of life teaches to love only one God, love your neighbor as yourself, and a form of what we now know as the Golden Rule. The teachings continue to follow the Ten Commandments. Other chapters deal with seeing God as all-powerful, seeking Him day and night, and not doubting whether His Word is true, keeping the commandments of God, confessing our sins and coming into prayer with a clear conscience. This is seen as the path of life.

According to the Didache, the road to death is evil and is taken by those who persecute the good, not knowing the reward of righteousness. What is found on the path to death in the Didache is listed in Revelation 22:15. Again we are reminded of false teachers, and it is stressed that the teachings should be of the true gospel. Tempting and disputing any prophet who is speaking in the Spirit shall not be forgiven, says the Didache. Any prophet who is an approved minister but does not teach others shall face God’s judgment. The creation of man will end in a fiery trial of proof, and many shall perish. The sign of Jesus Christ’s appearing will come, then the sound of the Trumpet, and then the resurrection of the dead. “Then shall the world behold the Lord coming on the clouds of Heaven.”

https://www.gotquestions.org/didache.html
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Dec 15, 2018 15:08:12   #
Doc is creating no strife and division among Christians. The strife and division lies in his heart. He is fighting the Holy Spirit showing him the truth.
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Dec 15, 2018 15:05:57   #
Any Catholic has to ask...how could any soul be forgotten? Against scripture, why believe in purgatory at all? Do we or do we not believe God forgives our sins if we are truly repentant?

One can argue rationally and logically for the existence of God. Knowing what we know about God's forgiveness and Christ's perfect sacrifice, how can one argue for the existence of a purgatory?
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Dec 15, 2018 15:02:10   #
I'm certainly not well versed in prophecy. Care to explain further what you mean? I find it fascinating.
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Dec 15, 2018 14:59:53   #
Christ is still the rock Doc. No matter how much you spam you can't refute God's word.


The most disputed text on ecclesiology (the doctrine of the church) is Matthew 16:13–20. Protestants and Eastern Orthodox alike contest the use of Christ’s affirmation of Peter by Roman Catholics to establish the papacy.

Unfortunately, we can consider the issues raised by today’s passage only in brief. Foremost among these is what Jesus does not say in His commendation of Peter. Though invested with authority in verse 19, Peter is not thereby given supreme authority over the church universal. As a steward over God’s house, Peter’s keys give him (but not only him) authority among God’s people. For example, he can assure repentant sinners of divine pardon, not because he is able to forgive sin, but because he proclaims the free Gospel of forgiveness. Therefore, the keys also enable him to assure the impenitent that they can by no means inherit the kingdom of God. Yet Peter’s keys also belong to every apostle and, in a qualified sense, church leaders today as well (18:15–20; Eph. 2:19–20). Furthermore, Matthew 16:13–20 says nothing about Peter passing on a “unique” office to successive bishops, and it gives no support for papal infallibility.

Historic Protestantism recognizes such truths, and often says that Peter’s confession is the rock to which Jesus refers. This makes good sense, but we err if we say that Peter himself is not in any sense a rock upon which the church is built (Eph. 2:22). There is a play on words in the original Greek text: Peter’s name, Petros, is based on petra, that is, “rock” (v. 18). In other words, Jesus declares, “Simon, you are the rock, and on this rock I will build my church.” Peter has primacy in the church — a historical primacy, not papal primacy. Aside from being the first to confess Christ, Peter is the first apostle to extend the Gospel to the Gentiles (Acts 10), and his leadership and teaching set the stage for the church’s expansion and maturity (chap. 1–15; 1 and 2 Peter). Thus, we conclude with John Calvin: “It is a foolish inference of the Papists, that he received the primacy, and became the universal head of the whole Church. Rank is a different thing from power, and to be elevated to the highest place of honor among a few persons is a different thing from embracing the whole world under his dominion.”

https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/peter-rock/
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Dec 15, 2018 14:52:03   #
byronglimish wrote:
Do you think it's the first time?


What do you mean?
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Dec 15, 2018 14:50:50   #
I see you two want more information on salvation according to God's word.

“By grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God” (Eph. 2:8).

Understanding that sin makes us thick-headed, unwilling to accept certain truths when they receive minimal emphasis, the biblical authors repeat foundational doctrines so that they might penetrate our hearts and minds. The man-made religions of this world prove that without the work of the Holy Spirit, people think that they are basically good and can contribute something to their salvation. This strips glory from God and gives it to us, for if we can do even one thing to merit salvation, then we deserve some credit. All belief systems except biblical Christianity encourage us to believe that we contribute to our salvation, even if they deceitfully assert otherwise.

It should have been clear from reading Ephesians 2:1–7 that the Lord owes us nothing but justice and wrath. (Moreover, this is taught throughout the Bible: Gen. 6:5–7; Deut. 7:6–11; Ps. 51:4; Rom. 1:18–3:20; James 2:10–11). But in case we missed it, Paul in Ephesians 2:8–10 tells us one more time that we bring nothing with us to our redemption, and that any good works we perform are not the ground of our status before God but result from us having been chosen and gifted with salvation: “By grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God” (Eph. 2:8). Grace, by definition, excludes the slightest hint that human merit contributes to our righteous standing before the most holy and perfect Creator, and faith, which admits our inability to help ourselves and rests wholly on another for salvation, confirms that our works have no power to atone for our wickedness. John Calvin writes, “If, on the part of God, it is grace alone, and if we bring nothing but faith, which strips us of all commendations, it follows that salvation does not come from us.”

-snip

Though He may allow us to resist His call for a time, if He has chosen to set His grace on us, then we will certainly believe and persevere, for all whom the Father has given to Jesus must come to the Savior (John 6:37). We cannot even give ourselves credit for our faith, so let us be thankful for His grace and live in the way that He commands.

https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/grace-alone-through-faith-alone/
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Dec 15, 2018 14:37:21   #
Explain it Doc.
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Dec 15, 2018 14:36:26   #
Here's some more heresy from the same article. On how priests blaspheme Christ's perfect sacrifice.

"John O’Brien, a Catholic priest, has helped Roman Catholics to understand the importance of the Mass. He has written a book called “The Faith of Millions: The Credentials of the Catholic Religion.” It is a classic work. This is what he writes, John O’Brien, a very popular work. “When the priest announces the tremendous words of consecration,” this is the Mass, “he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the victim for the sins of man. It is a power exercised by the priest greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of seraphim and cherubim. Indeed, it is a power greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal victim.” You wonder why you always see a crucifix and not an empty cross? “The priest brings Christ down from heaven and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal victim for the sins of man, not once but a thousand times.” "
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Dec 15, 2018 14:34:25   #
The signs of true conviction. May Doc yield to the Spirit and proclaim Christ his Lord and Savior!
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Dec 15, 2018 14:33:12   #
Doc110 wrote:

Yeah religious sectarianism, . . . that's why Protestants just throw out 1,484 years of Christian Catholic doctrine, or 1,987 years old present day biblical teaching, and Christian Church oral and written historical traditions.


Catholicism is paganism sprinkled with a bit of Christianity. Thats why Christians throw it out.

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And then you Protestant try saying, we have new Protestant religion, Which has been proven time wrong, biblically, time again.


A false claim. There was no new religion, it was the same Christianity that was always there but suppressed by the Catholic church.

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On top of that, Martin Luther ("Dumbed-Down") the KIV Bible, which further lead's up to independent Bible self-interpretation against a strict Catholic Magisterium biblical teaching.


You mean the KJV bible? That was largely done by William Tyndale not Luther. He translated from the original text.

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Which leads us to the; 30,000 plus, present modern day schismatic Protestant Churches today and growing. It's a literal translation and self-interpretation of the 1611 KIV bible.


The number is irrelevant. What the Catholic church doesn't want people doing is discovering the beauty of God's word for themselves.

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And the consequences of this man-Made authority doctrines, by the Protestant 30,000 religion's and the laity Protestants, or little Pope's, thinking they can interpret bible any which way they want or think they can.


No "little popes" because that's not biblical. No man-made doctrine. Just as the early church fathers viewed scripture as the final authority (predating the start of Catholicism in 314) the bible is still the ulimate authority in all matters. No one goes it alone.

The rest of your post is the usual fiction.

May your heart open to the joys of knowing Christ is Lord and Savior. It's never too late.
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Dec 15, 2018 14:23:02   #
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We Catholics have a saying; From John Henry Newman a convert to Catholicism in the 1890's very controversial.
To be deep in history, is to cease being Protestant.


Yes and that saying is profoundly ignorant because Christians have a history longer than that of the Catholic church.

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Thats why the Protestant heretics, don't want to talk about the history or the History of the Catholic Church.


Sure they do for they know Catholic history better than most Catholics do.
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Dec 15, 2018 14:20:25   #
Off topic and doesn't answer the question Doc.
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Dec 15, 2018 14:06:02   #
It hasn't happened yet. It will be devastation on a scale we can't imagine.
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