What is a saint according to God's word? The word “saint” comes from the Greek word hagios, which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." It is almost always used in the...

Rose42

The word “saint” comes from the Greek word hagios, which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." It is almost always used in the plural, “saints.” "…Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem" (Acts 9:13). "Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda" (Acts 9:32). "And this is just what I did in Jerusalem; not only did I lock up many of the saints in prisons …“ (Acts 26:10). There is only one instance of the singular use, and that is "Greet every saint in Christ Jesus…" (Philippians 4:21). In Scripture there are 67 uses of the plural “saints” compared to only one use of the singular word “saint.” Even in that one instance, a plurality of saints is in view: “…every saint…” (Philippians 4:21).

...scripturally speaking, the “saints” are the body of Christ, Christians, the church. All Christians are considered saints. All Christians are saints—and at the same time are called to be saints. First Corinthians 1:2 states it clearly: “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…” The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root as the word that is commonly translated “saints.” Christians are saints by virtue of their connection with Jesus Christ. Christians are called to be saints, to increasingly allow their daily life to more closely match their position in Christ. This is the biblical description and calling of the saints.

How does the Roman Catholic understanding of “saints” compare with the biblical teaching?

Radiance3

Again Rose42, you've got a very wrong definition how baptized are considered saints. According to Rose 42, all baptized are saints.

The Scriptures meant that the baptized must have been proven to be virtues and self sacrifice for the service of God.

So, Rose42 is a Saint just as all the 47,000 denominations of your Protestant faith. These are all contrary to how we consider person a saint.

There are exemplary criteria how Catholics could be saints.

The Saints are heroes of our Faith . Saint is a person of “heroic virtues"

Saints engage their relationship with the Lord Jesus vigorous creativity and absolute dedication.

The work of the Saints is not completed with their deaths.

The Saints know better than most Christians that life here in this world is not merely an end in itself, but a means by which God prepares us for a greater and more important mission in heaven.

This means that the Saints continue their mission as disciples of the Lord Jesus, supporting and sustaining the Church, acting to help and support all the baptized.

The work of the Saints is not completed with their deaths. The Saints know better than most Christians that life here in this world is not merely an end in itself, but a means by which God prepares us for a greater and more important mission in heaven.

No one who in Heaven is indolent. Heaven is not a place of indifference to this world but one of interaction and intercession. This means that the Saints continue their mission as disciples of the Lord Jesus, supporting and sustaining the Church, acting to help all the baptized.

Thus, when a Christian is baptized, he or she is proclaimed to be what is termed an “alter Christus,” that literally means “another Christ.”

The Saints are expressions of Christ-likeness par excellence. The Saints “re-present” Christ to us and through the Saints Christ acts and introduces himself to us. Saints are not just nice, friendly people who do good things for society, but they are Christians who aspiring to serve Christ as disciples.

What happens when a Christian is baptized is that person is chosen as Christ to be like him—a person is chosen by Christ to be a Saint become a Saint.

That’s what Baptism is all about, indeed, that’s what the Sacraments are about, indeed what the whole life of the Church is about. Being a Christian is about being chosen by Christ to be a Saint.

Finally, in his Gospel, the Lord Jesus presents what are known as “The Beatitudes,” a proclamation of those who are truly blessed by God and who enjoy God’s favor.

Rose42

Venus3 wrote:

Again Rose42, you've got a very wrong definition how baptized are consider saint. According to Rose 42, all baptized are saints.

No. According to the bible all believers are saints. That is simple and it is biblical.

Catholic canonization is not biblical.

bahmer

Rose42 wrote:

The word “saint” comes from the Greek word hagios, which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." It is almost always used in the plural, “saints.” "…Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem" (Acts 9:13). "Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda" (Acts 9:32). "And this is just what I did in Jerusalem; not only did I lock up many of the saints in prisons …“ (Acts 26:10). There is only one instance of the singular use, and that is "Greet every saint in Christ Jesus…" (Philippians 4:21). In Scripture there are 67 uses of the plural “saints” compared to only one use of the singular word “saint.” Even in that one instance, a plurality of saints is in view: “…every saint…” (Philippians 4:21).

...scripturally speaking, the “saints” are the body of Christ, Christians, the church. All Christians are considered saints. All Christians are saints—and at the same time are called to be saints. First Corinthians 1:2 states it clearly: “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…” The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root as the word that is commonly translated “saints.” Christians are saints by virtue of their connection with Jesus Christ. Christians are called to be saints, to increasingly allow their daily life to more closely match their position in Christ. This is the biblical description and calling of the saints.

How does the Roman Catholic understanding of “saints” compare with the biblical teaching? Not very well. In Roman Catholic theology, the saints are in heaven. In the Bible, the saints are on earth. In Roman Catholic teaching, a person does not become a saint unless he/she is “beatified” or “canonized” by the Pope or prominent bishop. In the Bible, everyone who has received Jesus Christ by faith is a saint. In Roman Catholic practice, the saints are revered, prayed to, and in some instances, worshipped. In the Bible, saints are called to revere, worship, and pray to God alone.

https://www.gotquestions.org/saints-Christian.html

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Amen and Amen very well stated Rose42 thanks for that brief but important bible update it is very much needed in the Roman Catholic Church and that is for them to get back into the scriptures and base their beliefs on the word of God as opposed to the word of men.

bahmer

Rose42 wrote:

No. According to the bible all believers are saints. That is simple and it is biblical.

Catholic canonization is not biblical.

Amen and Amen nor is the Roman Catholic Church biblical either.

Radiance3

Rose42 wrote:

No. According to the bible all believers are saints. That is simple and it is biblical.

Catholic canonization is not biblical.

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So according to you Rose, all those Protestant baptized Pastors with 47,000 denominations and interpretations are saints, including the baptized criminals and these:
http://pleasuresmagazine.com.ng/2016/09/top-50-ludicrously-wealthy-pastors/
https://www.pulse.com.gh/lifestyle/richest-pastors-in-the-world-and-their-net-worth-forbes-id7838919.html
https://www.ghpage.com/forbes-richest-pastors-2017/16873/

Including Hillary Clinton, and Bill Clinton
Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, and all convicted Protestant baptized felons.

What dangerous Joke!!

Rose42

Venus3 wrote:

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Let's see...anyone you disagree with posts from "protestant hate" sites (including catholic.org!) but anything you post is completely valid?

If you're a believer you're a saint. If you're not, you're not. Being baptized does not automatically mean one is a believer.

bahmer

Venus3 wrote:

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Nancy Pelosi is Roman Catholic I have read that before the others I ma not sure of but I could guess.

pafret Loc: Northeast

bahmer wrote:

Nancy Pelosi is Roman Catholic I have read that before the others I ma not sure of but I could guess.

My dog is a better Catholic than Nancy Pelosi. There is a dissension among Catholic Bishops as to whether Pelosi and others who advocate slaughter of the innocents should be denied Communion. Some Bishops are currently doing so. It is of no matter since partaking of Communion is effective only if you are in a state of grace and obviously Pelosi et. al. are not.

Rose42

pafret wrote:

My dog is a better Catholic than Nancy Pelosi. There is a dissension among Catholic Bishops as to whether Pelosi and others who advocate slaughter of the innocents should be denied Communion. Some Bishops are currently doing so. It is of no matter since partaking of Communion is effective only if you are in a state of grace and obviously Pelosi et. al. are not.

Is there a majority on that or is it pretty equally divided?

pafret Loc: Northeast

Rose42 wrote:

Is there a majority on that or is it pretty equally divided?

The bishops are not in opposition as to whether Pelosi and others are publicly committing sins when they vote for and advocate pro-choice legislation. Rather they are in dispute as to whether these people should be publicly denied access to Communion by a group of Bishops, or should Bishops act as individuals. The Bishops have refrained from a concerted censuring of pro-choice Catholics; perhaps they are waiting for the Vatican and the curia to act. The Church is mindful of the political ramifications of such actions.

To date, some few individual Bishops have denied access to Communion but the affected parties have gone to another Bishop's Diocese and partaken of Communion there. If they were in a state of grace the Communion would be valid. With the Catholic practice of Confession and Penance they might have been. If they were not in a state of grace, the transubstantiation at the time of Consecration does not apply to them. In which case, they would be adding the sin of blasphemy to the sins of scandal and murder they already perpetrated.

Rose42

pafret wrote:

The bishops are not in opposition as to whether Pe... (show quote)

I was wondering about that. Thanks.

bahmer

Rose42 wrote:

I was wondering about that. Thanks.

So that goes against Radiance3/Venus3's statement that they were all excommunicated and are in sin and they should not be receiving the Holy Eucharist as she put it. If it is up to the local bishop then they may not be in sin even though they believe in and support the right to choose and are for abortion. That sounds more like I was reading on some of my conservative web sites. It seems that the Roman Catholic Church has become quite liberal in its teachings/beliefs than.

pafret Loc: Northeast

bahmer wrote:

So that goes against Radiance3/Venus3's statement that they were all excommunicated and are in sin and they should not be receiving the Holy Eucharist as she put it. If it is up to the local bishop then they may not be in sin even though they believe in and support the right to choose and are for abortion. That sounds more like I was reading on some of my conservative web sites. It seems that the Roman Catholic Church has become quite liberal in its teachings/beliefs than.

That is an incorrect interpretation of what I wrote. There is no dissension among Bishops that these people (Pelosi et. al.) are committing sins when they advocate and support pro-choice legislation. They have not been publicly excommunicated by a Council of Bishops, but excommunication is not necessarily done in this manner. One can excommunicate himself by persistent public or private sinning with no intention to repent and rectify his behavior. This of course is in the case of serious or mortal sins.

In the absence of such a public declaration, each Diocesan Bishop is free to permit or deny access to the sacraments to any sinner. The fact that they are permitted to receive Communion does not mean there is a difference of opinion but instead reflects the possibility that the sinner has confessed their sins and become a penitent. As I stated, if the sinner is not in a state of grace he or she does not receive the body and blood of Christ. The Bishop who does not permit such persons to partake of Communion may want some tangible evidence of repentance.

In either event, the Bishop is not approving the sinners behavior. The state of their souls is their responsibility. Some Bishops like the stick (Shepard's Crook) to bring sinners back into the fold and others prefer persuasion with reasonable words. But in both cases the sinner is wrong and the Bishops do not approve.

Radiance3

bahmer wrote:

Nancy Pelosi is Roman Catholic I have read that before the others I ma not sure of but I could guess.

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For Catholics, Pelosi is excommunicated. Meaning she could not take the Holy Eucharist, due to her stance on abortion.

She could not be a Saint as far as Catholics criteria is required. She could never have a quality of being a saint.

If she is a Protestant, you will consider her saint, because she is baptized, that is according to Rose. All baptized as saints as far as Protestants are concerned.