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If somebody leaves gun unattended and somebody gets shot (accidentally or otherwise) , this person should be charged..
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Feb 2, 2023 13:42:08   #
MidnightRider
 
proud republican wrote:
Dr Phil show is about 9 year old who shot his 8 year old brother in the chest with his father's gun which was left at bedside table unattended... The boy survived, but what should happen to the parents??.. They're on 1 year probation... No jail..I believe they should if spend at least 3 months in jail.. What do you think?


Usually I'd say make the sentence harsher, but they will be hurting for their son. Only an idiot leaves a gun, and with the safety off? Well, that part is on the kid who fired it. You still NEVER leave a gun when you know kids are around.

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Feb 2, 2023 14:49:24   #
Samael
 
Whoever owned the firearm is the responsible party irresponsible I should say

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Feb 2, 2023 17:56:46   #
Iliamna Loc: Born in Ca, but raised in Montana. Went to Un
 
proud republican wrote:
Dr Phil show is about 9 year old who shot his 8 year old brother in the chest with his father's gun which was left at bedside table unattended... The boy survived, but what should happen to the parents??.. They're on 1 year probation... No jail..I believe they should if spend at least 3 months in jail.. What do you think?


I have to disagree with you on this one. Minimum 3 years in prison, no probation, and loss of custody of their children. I've taken care of to many children shot due to a firearm left unattended by a careless parent, usually asleep. absent, drunk or on drugs. I bet this would stoop a llot of the mass shootings at the school as well.

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Feb 2, 2023 18:46:45   #
Liberty Tree
 
Kevyn wrote:
Millions of Americans leave guns lying around the house because they are afraid of the boogie man and cower at the thought of not having a piece available to blast their imagined attacker. These guns far more often than being used for defense are misused, stolen, accidentally discharged or fall into the hands of children. Statistics clearly show that people in households with firearms are more at risk of being killed or injured by gunshots than households without firearms. This is indisputable. So if the same kid grabbed moms car keys and accidentally ran over his brother or cut off his hand with Dads table saw should mom or dad go to jail? I guess the answer is a matter of the degree of neglect and negligence. One thing for sure, neither should ever be allowed to keep firearms again.
Millions of Americans leave guns lying around the ... (show quote)


Whose statistics? You can make some ignorant statements. People who own cars are more likely to be in automobile accidents than people who do not drive.

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Feb 2, 2023 18:50:30   #
American Vet
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Whose statistics? You can make some ignorant statements. People who own cars are more likely to be in automobile accidents than people who do not drive.


The ‘study’ that he is using is from years back and has been thoroughly discredited.

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Feb 2, 2023 19:35:15   #
wilpharm
 
American Vet wrote:
The ‘study’ that he is using is from years back and has been thoroughly discredited.


he/she is laughable

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Feb 2, 2023 20:51:06   #
Snoopy
 
PeterS wrote:
Do you mean conservatives don't have guns...only the druggies in California? Man, how have we been misled all this time...


Always easy to mislead a FOOL!

Snoopy

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Feb 3, 2023 00:00:58   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Kevyn wrote:
Millions of Americans leave guns lying around the house because they are afraid of the boogie man and cower at the thought of not having a piece available to blast their imagined attacker. These guns far more often than being used for defense are misused, stolen, accidentally discharged or fall into the hands of children. Statistics clearly show that people in households with firearms are more at risk of being killed or injured by gunshots than households without firearms. This is indisputable. So if the same kid grabbed moms car keys and accidentally ran over his brother or cut off his hand with Dads table saw should mom or dad go to jail? I guess the answer is a matter of the degree of neglect and negligence. One thing for sure, neither should ever be allowed to keep firearms again.
Millions of Americans leave guns lying around the ... (show quote)


Wrong again, because I dispute pretty much everything you said.
MILLIONS of Americans leave guns lying around? Says who? Or is that, once again, just your opinion?
What is INDISPUTABLE is that far more lives are saved, property defended, and criminal acts ended, by the use of firearms, both fired are unfired, than all the injuries, deaths, accidental discharges, and misuse of firearms combined, and that is INCLUDNG things such as hunting accidents and suicide by firearm.
Do some objective research.
As for your comment at the end, WE THE PEOPLE have not and will not give that authority to our servant, the government, until and unless those people are convicted of a felony. So much for "one thing for sure."

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Feb 3, 2023 00:03:09   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
Do you mean conservatives don't have guns...only the druggies in California? Man, how have we been misled all this time...


He did not say that, you blithering.........nevermind. I guess you are doing the best your poor mind is capable of.

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Feb 3, 2023 00:13:23   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Kevyn wrote:
The cost of the fear is dead kids, the statistics don’t lie.


Perhaps, but they can certainly be deliberately misinterpreted, as you are doing (in part). The balance of your statements are deliberate lies.
Your conclusion that "the cost of fear is dead kids" is blatantly stupid. The benefit of being prepared is living children and unraped women and girls.
NO one is saying that unsafe use and keeping of firearms is not a tragedy and a crime. But to say that millions of Americans are doing so is pathetic and despicable. Just as false and discriminatory as saying that all gays are pedophiles.....something maybe you can relate to.

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Feb 3, 2023 00:35:57   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
jimpack123 wrote:
The problem is not the gun but irresponsible parents who never taught there children about gun safety and irresponsible parents for having a loaded gun. after all we are talking about a 9yr old and a 8 yr old You can have gun and the clip in a different location and a gun lock that a adult can easily remove


I do not have a gun safe. My pistol is loaded and ready for use in a holster next to my bed at night, and on my right hip when I am not in bed. But I do not have kids at home. When my grandchildren are here (pretty much every weekend), the pistol remains on my hip with the safety engaged. They are used to it and think nothing of it. If they are here overnight (often) the pistol is unloaded and rendered unusable, and I keep other weapons on hand....and sleep with one eye open. My grandkids have all been taught to never touch a firearm. Their parents and I have trained them, starting at 6 years of age, and with bb guns, to NEVER aim a firearm at a person. The older ones come with me and their Dad and shoot at a gun range at least every other month.
I would NEVER do so, but I can confidently say that I could lay my loaded pistol on the kitchen table and leave it there, and none of the kids would touch it, but every one of them would seek me out and warn me that I had left it out.
THIS, or something similar, is what responsible gun owners do. It is what something like 200 million American gun owners do with something like 400 million firearms. The fools who endanger their families with carelessness are very rare compared to the number of owners and weapons. THAT is what the statistics show.

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Feb 3, 2023 00:41:16   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Iliamna wrote:
I have to disagree with you on this one. Minimum 3 years in prison, no probation, and loss of custody of their children. I've taken care of to many children shot due to a firearm left unattended by a careless parent, usually asleep. absent, drunk or on drugs. I bet this would stoop a llot of the mass shootings at the school as well.


How many "children shot due to a firearm left unattended" have you treated?
And while we are at it, how many that were shot due to gang violence? Drugs? Alcohol? Or someone who wanted their Nikes?

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Feb 3, 2023 11:17:33   #
Iliamna Loc: Born in Ca, but raised in Montana. Went to Un
 
RandyBrian wrote:
How many "children shot due to a firearm left unattended" have you treated?
And while we are at it, how many that were shot due to gang violence? Drugs? Alcohol? Or someone who wanted their Nikes?


As only one nurse my personal lumbers are limited, but in the course of 40 years nursing experience being in ER, ICU and a med-surg nurse (a polite way to say 'knife and gun-shot wounds) My guess under those circumstances would be several dozen. And speaking of gang violence, how many of those kids picked up their daddie's (or mommie's) unattended or unlocked gun? It's kind of hard to ferret out those specific numbers, ain't it/

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Feb 3, 2023 12:24:44   #
American Vet
 
Iliamna wrote:


As only one nurse my personal lumbers are limited, but in the course of 40 years nursing experience being in ER, ICU and a med-surg nurse (a polite way to say 'knife and gun-shot wounds) My guess under those circumstances would be several dozen.
So you actually have no real data - just ‘your guess’.

And speaking of gang violence, how many of those kids picked up their daddie's (or mommie's) unattended or unlocked gun? It's kind of hard to ferret out those specific numbers, ain't it
Not really. There has been a lot of data collected that show the vast majority of criminals steal their guns or obtain them thru other illegal means such as a ‘straw’ purchase.

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Feb 3, 2023 13:32:43   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Iliamna wrote:
As only one nurse my personal lumbers are limited, but in the course of 40 years nursing experience being in ER, ICU and a med-surg nurse (a polite way to say 'knife and gun-shot wounds) My guess under those circumstances would be several dozen. And speaking of gang violence, how many of those kids picked up their daddie's (or mommie's) unattended or unlocked gun? It's kind of hard to ferret out those specific numbers, ain't it/


Yes it is. That is why it is important for each of us to specify if our statements are anecdotal, personal, provable fact, or simply an opinion.
The fact seems to be that you have no credible idea how many, if any at all, of those gunshot wounds came from kids picking up weapons left out by their parents. Your statement is based on unfounded assumptions, is it not?

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