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Oct 10, 2019 13:10:30   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
RT friend wrote:
It took me a fair bit of thinking though.


I would say so!

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Oct 10, 2019 13:39:59   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I have provided medical care to literally hundreds free of charge. In hospitals across Texas hundreds of anchor babies are given birth and after birth care for nothing as well. In towns across Texas class rooms are filled with children if illegals. Churches hand out food like a free grocery; that's what they are being. Charity! I see next to zero leftist liberals involved.

Pass the word. Charity is constitutional. Federal gov paying for their welfare is not.

I'll be looking for those donations from the likes of Rachel Maddow and Stephen Colbert et al.
I have provided medical care to literally hundreds... (show quote)



good for you.

But what sort of system is at work down in Texas?? I always thought Texas was fairly good state, as states go.

In Minnesota, when the needy are treated, the medics are paid via one program or an other.. as they should be..

We also have many food banks, homeless shelters are available and each winter more shelter is provided..

charity is fine.. but to get the job done requires more than the local church of organization can do. So I think my taxes are well spent on being more practical at this particular job..

I see nothing unconstitutional about providing care for the needy..

Yes, we also have homeless camps..
Yes, we also have homeless camps.....

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Oct 10, 2019 13:52:04   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
good for you.

But what sort of system is at work down in Texas?? I always thought Texas was fairly good state, as states go.

In Minnesota, when the needy are treated, the medics are paid via one program or an other.. as they should be..

We also have many food banks, homeless shelters are available and each winter more shelter is provided..

charity is fine.. but to get the job done requires more than the local church of organization can do. So I think my taxes are well spent on being more practical at this particular job..

I see nothing unconstitutional about providing care for the needy..
good for you. br br But what sort of system is at... (show quote)


Use of federal tax dollars to pay for the illegals needs is unconstitutional. States can do what they want and frankly, I doubt Minnesota has a fraction of the problem Texas has with illegals.

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Oct 10, 2019 14:01:05   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
There is a recognition by several groups of Kurds of the participation of their ancestors in the Armenian Genocide during World War I. Some Kurdish tribes, mainly as part of the Ottoman army, along with the Turks and other people, participated in massacres of Armenians. Other Kurds opposed the genocide, in some cases even hiding or adopting Armenian refugees. Also, inmates in Ottoman prisons, including Kurds and Turks, were given amnesty and released from prison if they would massacre the Armenians.

Grand Vizier Mehmed Talat in his Posthumous Memoirs of Talaat Pasha claimed that:

Although we punished many of the guilty, most of them were untouched. These people, whom we might call outlaws, because of their unlawful attitude in disregarding the order of the Central Government, were divided into two classes. Some of them were acting under personal hatred, or for individual profit. Those who looted the goods of the deported Armenians were easily punishable, and we punished them. But there was another group, who sincerely believed that the general interest of the community necessitated the punishment alike of those Armenians who massacred the guiltless Mohammedans and those who helped the Armenian bandits to endanger our national life.
There is a recognition by several groups of Kurds ... (show quote)

I will check out the memoirs of Talaat Pasha, it sounds like the sort of stuff Tanner Akcan recorded "A Shameful Act" some things are incomprehensible to people who haven't endured such horrors, even underwear was removed and used.

I don't believe there was ever a serious attempt at punishment, if there was some at least Armenians would have returned, from what I understand they were not allowed to.

The Youg Turks began their massacre of Armenians in 1909 and by 1915 there were 1.3 million Armenians killed so they couldn't come back, but the Armenians Communities in Syria were the result of survivors so some could have returned and Armenians living outside of the Ottomon Empire could have swelled the ranks of the 400,000 Armenians that stayed in Turkey.

Armenians from the Soviet Republic could have taken possession of Armenian property on behalf of the dead, instead the Young Turks engaged in Civil War with the Ottoman old guard the British were supposedly supporting the Sultan who was again recognized as the Legal Authority in 1918.

I think the British lost on purpose, the fact that they sent troops probably didn't mean much, I don't know how many never went home.

But I will check out the secular account because it was Churchill that rejected Turkish approaches to side with the Allies, Churchill just wanted to grab Ottoman wealth, hence the Arab revolt that really won the war for the Allies because the Indian Muslims became leaderless which allowed the Palestinian campaign that conquered Jerusalem , General Allenby enters Jerusalem December 1917 Arab Revolt was June 1916



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Oct 10, 2019 14:06:17   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
RT friend wrote:
I will check out the memoirs of Talaat Pasha, it sounds like the sort of stuff Tanner Akcan recorded "A Shameful Act" some things are incomprehensible to people who haven't endured such horrors, even underwear was removed and used.

I don't believe there was ever a serious attempt at punishment, if there was some at least Armenians would have returned, from what I understand they were not allowed to.

The Youg Turks began their massacre of Armenians in 1909 and by 1915 there were 1.3 million Armenians killed so they couldn't come back, but the Armenians Communities in Syria were the result of survivors so some could have returned and Armenians living outside of the Ottomon Empire could have swelled the ranks of the 400,000 Armenians that stayed in Turkey.

Armenians from.the Soviet Republic could have taken possession of Armenian property on behalf of the dead, instead the Young Turks engaged in Civil War with the Ottoman old guard with British supposedly supporting the Sultan who was again recognized as the Legal Authority in 1918.

I think the British lost on purpose, the fact that they sent troops probably didn't mean much, I don't know how many never went home.

But I will check out the secular account because it was Churchill that rejected Turkish approaches to side with the Allies, Churchill just wanted to grab Ottoman wealth, hence the Arab revolt that really won the war for the Allies because the Indian Muslims became leaderless which allowed the Palestinian campaign that conquered Jerusalem , General Allenby enters Jerusalem December 1917 Arab Revolt was June 1916


I will check out the memoirs of Talaat Pasha, it s... (show quote)



You know way more about it than I do!

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Oct 10, 2019 14:58:06   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Use of federal tax dollars to pay for the illegals needs is unconstitutional. States can do what they want and frankly, I doubt Minnesota has a fraction of the problem Texas has with illegals.



Well that is correct, we only have a few compared to Texas.. but I did not intend to limit my comment to only illegals from south of the border..

If unconstitutional, and not provided by the feds, the states have much less money, where would the money for needs come from?

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Oct 10, 2019 15:02:29   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Well that is correct, we only have a few compared to Texas.. but I did not intend to limit my comment to only illegals from south of the border..

If unconstitutional, and not provided by the feds, the states have much less money, where would the money for needs come from?


Charity: People helping people. People helping themselves.

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Oct 10, 2019 15:07:04   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Well that is correct, we only have a few compared to Texas.. but I did not intend to limit my comment to only illegals from south of the border..

If unconstitutional, and not provided by the feds, the states have much less money, where would the money for needs come from?


The great motivator is for the states to work with people to help them find legitimate work to become self sustaining. A big reason so many are NOW coming in is for the "free" stuff. I have found that those who went through the correct immigration process are very hard workers, very family oriented, very committed to having self respect and take pride in themselves. The folks who take advantage of the system we have right now can be spotted a mile away by their attitudes, how they speak, what they say, even their body language.

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Oct 10, 2019 15:14:43   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Charity: People helping people. People helping themselves.


Never works out, while charity can handle the local problem, in the event of storms, earthquakes, or refugees, immigrants; legal or other wise, the needs are beyond the capacity of charity to deal with..

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Oct 10, 2019 15:18:36   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
The great motivator is for the states to work with people to help them find legitimate work to become self sustaining. A big reason so many are NOW coming in is for the "free" stuff. I have found that those who went through the correct immigration process are very hard workers, very family oriented, very committed to having self respect and take pride in themselves. The folks who take advantage of the system we have right now can be spotted a mile away by their attitudes, how they speak, what they say, even their body language.
The great motivator is for the states to work with... (show quote)



A lot of what you say is correct..

But we can not overlook those who are driven out of homes by war, climate change or other disasters..

This looks as if it will all git worse rather then better in the next decades..

Perhaps we should make new rules to deal with it..



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Oct 10, 2019 16:08:08   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Never works out, while charity can handle the local problem, in the event of storms, earthquakes, or refugees, immigrants; legal or other wise, the needs are beyond the capacity of charity to deal with..


Of course, that is a different story.

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Oct 10, 2019 16:09:08   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
A lot of what you say is correct..

But we can not overlook those who are driven out of homes by war, climate change or other disasters..

This looks as if it will all git worse rather then better in the next decades..

Perhaps we should make new rules to deal with it..


Not a single person has been driven to our borders by climate change.

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Oct 10, 2019 17:04:21   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
You know way more about it than I do!


It is about Prophet Abraham's Religion, must be, otherwise the Kurds wouldn't be playing up at the same time as Climate Change and the Concentration of Wealth making economics disfunctional due to Neo- Malthusianism which is abortion population control same sex marriage and the end it the Techno Industrial era where inventions don't add up to conservation of energy any more.

Also Dark Matter and Dark Energy proves it because both are leading the same Party which has thumb on the code for Goodby Charlie.

Trump is Dark Matter holding the Universe together and Mike Pence is Dark Energy pushing the Universe into Kurdish red-shift territory.

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Oct 10, 2019 18:13:12   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Not a single person has been driven to our borders by climate change.



Perhaps not, but it had some to do is IS recruiting when the drought ended farming for a lot of people as a way to live. they had little choice but to join the armed insurgents..

When you can no longer even grow melons, your choice are few and far apart..

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Oct 10, 2019 19:40:48   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Perhaps not, but it had some to do is IS recruiting when the drought ended farming for a lot of people as a way to live. they had little choice but to join the armed insurgents..

When you can no longer even grow melons, your choice are few and far apart..


It's an arid desert region. What do you expect. it requires irrigation and can only be done in certain regions. Areas cannot be settled based upon a few good years but that is what happens. Man is not the cause of that. And, they did and do have a choice of joining groups like ISIS.

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