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Oct 10, 2019 10:58:16   #
F.D.R.
 
Since we are no longer allowed to win a war as we did in WWII why get involved in these inter-Islam battles.
I predict that in the not to distant future the US, Russia, China, India, Australia, Japan & Israel and perhaps a few others will align to fight the threat of Islam.

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Oct 10, 2019 11:01:32   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
F.D.R. wrote:
Since we are no longer allowed to win a war as we did in WWII why get involved in these inter-Islam battles.
I predict that in the not to distant future the US, Russia, China, India, Australia, Japan & Israel and perhaps a few others will align to fight the threat of Islam.


I have made the very same suggestion of such a possibility. I think in about 50 to 75 years that will be the case.

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Oct 10, 2019 11:02:34   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
F.D.R. wrote:
Since we are no longer allowed to win a war as we did in WWII why get involved in these inter-Islam battles.
I predict that in the not to distant future the US, Russia, China, India, Australia, Japan & Israel and perhaps a few others will align to fight the threat of Islam.


And I agree, we should avoid the Inter-Islam conflicts. In fact, all religious based wars are to be avoided.

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Oct 10, 2019 11:16:53   #
Ricktloml
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
It's an issue.

The l*****t/Democrat/Trump h**er - "We stay. Trump's abandoning the Kurds. A decision based upon nothing but politics and h**e for Trump.

The Republicans - Two ways of looking at it; We shouldn't leave or we should or maybe, there's more to this than meets the eye. Bottom line, for the Republicans, it's policy debate between opposing thinking, not a knee jerk "I h**e Trump" reaction like the left.


My big question: How is the move of 50 military personnel a total of 25 miles going to bring on Armageddon??

Trump made a fair point: Not all Kurds are the same and not all of them are good, loyal patriotic, pro-Americans. He pointed to an article about some of the history of the Kurds back into past wars. They didn't chime into those wars helping us. They have only helped us when they had something of value to gain. In this case, their homes/land/where they live at present.

Here's the point. It's not a slam dunk sort of policy decision which is easily made. And it's not something you decide on based upon politics and h**e for the president. Our guys are in danger and some will die as they have been now for 20 some odd years in Afghanistan and they region. If I were Trump, I'd get tired of having to explain it to the family's of the service men who died, as to why it was necessary for them to die. Soldiers die, true enough, but are they nothing but pawns to be played and lost??

They say our guys just being there would stop Turkey from attacking the area. Really? How many of you guys want to go over there and essentially be human shields between the Kurds and Turkey, and test that theory?????
It's an issue. br br The l*****t/Democrat/Trump h... (show quote)


As I heard one member of Congress say, if staying in Syria is so important, then Congress should do it's Constitutional duty and legislate our being there.

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Oct 10, 2019 11:46:11   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Ricktloml wrote:
As I heard one member of Congress say, if staying in Syria is so important, then Congress should do it's Constitutional duty and legislate our being there.


Hey, that's exactly what they should do and that makes it crazy talk!!

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Oct 10, 2019 12:12:45   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
A truly interesting perspective. I know there are some Kurds who are c*******t in their views, but not all I think. And despite all of it, they DID act as our boots on the ground under our Air force in the fight against the Caliph**e.


So did the PMU, so did the Palestinians in Yarmouk refuge camp Damascus, so did the Syrian Arab Army, so did FSA, so did al- Qaeda, so did Hezbollah all acted as boots on the ground while US Air was engaging IS.

Russian Air was bombing IS oil convoys going to Turkey when Obama was just bombing Syrian infrastructure saying on more than one occasion - "you know it will take at least 30 years to defeat IS " - Obama was obviously thinking let IS smash Assad then worry about it.

However while Obama was saying that, others were saying let IS smash al-Zawahiri the boss of al-Qaeda and then worry about it.

Al-Zawahiri is still around, somewhere, maybe we think, maybe not, possibly he's wised up and retired but Assad hasn't opted for the quiet life.

I agree Kurds are not all C*******t, I don't think the ideology of the Kurds is the problem on a personal level, but its the same situation as in Southern Yemen where the secessionist movement was C****e built, in Afghanistan the same thing applied, or was similar, until rubbed out by Taliban, Nasser in Egypt was similar gone completely, good or bad is no longer relevant.

Does it fit in with what has taken it's place is what's pertinent.

South Yemen and Kurdistan secessionist movements are the only remnants of that era.

There is a very big tangible part of Kurdish history tied up with Abdullah Ocalan the PKK leader, as long as he represents the Kurdistan Movement all Kurds will think his ideology is paramount, to think otherwise is to come up with a replacement which has a broad acceptance.

Islam could the job but Ocalan's Career was founded on anti-Religion and Religion is not acceptable to Kurdish secular benefactors also for Religion to be used as a tool there needs to be a Religious enemy and the Kurds are best friends with Z*****ts, MbS tired to be friends with the Z*****ts but I think he has failed.

Ocalan belongs to a ideological currents that have stopped flowing in the Middle East the Baathists were all secular now all that has changed, if Kurds move now they will be slaughtered like Saddam's followers were.

It would be difficult to believe if Kurdistan came about as it nearly did in the Iraqi referendum 2017 that Ocalan wouldn't be seen as its founder and de facto leader.

No Kurds anywhere label Ocalan as a criminal amongst their followers, in the Iraqi Parliament they do disingenuously.

Syrian YPG and SDF always posed with his propaganda, and his ideology is joined at the hip with Cultural Left Soros Politics, I suspect funded at highest level by G*******t Plutocrats Facebook and Google proprietors and alt-right elements come crypto freaks.

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Oct 10, 2019 12:17:25   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
RT friend wrote:
So did the PMU, so did the Palestinians in Yarmouk refuge camp Damascus, so did the Syrian Arab Army, so did FSA, so did al- Qaeda, so did Hezbollah all acted as boots on the ground while US Air was engaging IS.

Russian Air was bombing IS oil convoys going to Turkey when Obama was just bombing Syrian infrastructure saying on more than one occasion - "you know it will take at least 30 years to defeat IS " - Obama was obviously thinking let IS smash Assad then worry about it.

However while Obama was saying that, others were saying let IS smash al-Zawahiri the boss of al-Qaeda and then worry about it.

Al-Zawahiri is still around, somewhere, maybe we think, maybe not, possibly he's wised up and retired but Assad hasn't opted for the quiet life.

I agree Kurds are not all C*******t, I don't think the ideology of the Kurds is the problem on a personal level, but its the same situation as in Southern Yemen where the secessionist movement was C****e built, in Afghanistan the same thing applied, or was similar, until rubbed out by Taliban, Nasser in Egypt was similar gone completely, good or bad is no longer relevant.

Does it fit in with what has taken it's place is what's pertinent.

South Yemen and Kurdistan secessionist movements are the only remnants of that era.

There is a very big tangible part of Kurdish history tied up with Abdullah Ocalan the PKK leader, as long as he represents the Kurdistan Movement all Kurds will think his ideology is paramount, to think otherwise is to come up with a replacement with broad acceptance.

Islam could the job but it is not acceptable to Kurdish secular benefactors and for Religion to be used as a tool there needs to be a Religious enemy the and Kurds are best friends with Z*****ts.

Ocalan belongs to a ideological currents that have stopped flowing in the Middle East the Baathists were all secular now all that has changed, if Kurds now they will be slaughtered like Saddam's followers were.

It would be different to believe if Kurdistan came about as it nearly did in the Iraqi referendum 2017 that Ocalan wouldn't be seen as its founder and de facto leader.

No Kurds anywhere label Ocalan as a criminal amongst their followers, in the Iraqi Parliament they do disingenuously.

Syrian YPG and SDF always posed with his propaganda, and his ideology is joined at the hip with Cultural Left Soros Politics, I suspect funded at highest level by G*******t Plutocrats Facebook and Google proprietors and alt-right elements come crypto freaks.
So did the PMU, so did the Palestinians in Yarmouk... (show quote)


That's easy for YOU to say!

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Oct 10, 2019 12:17:45   #
PeterS
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
How does moving 50 American soldiers 25 miles affect them?

And now that you've brought it up, did you know that most of those ISIS detainees are from the EU? A couple of Americans also who I am sure we could bring back here and let them stand trial for their crime. Shouldn't the EU do the same? They were the ones who gave the Muslims and Islamist's such a huge foot in the door there anyway. Where are the EU soldiers in the region by the way??

10,000 of the ISIS fighters are from Iraq and Syria and 2,000 are from other parts of the world. There are 70,000 women and children waiting in Syria for those ISIS fighters. Your 10,000 Europeans just doesn't numerically work...

Read about halfway down the page.

https://www.justsecurity.org/66475/ukraine-ukrainegate-overwhelming-confirmation-of-whistleblower-complaint-an-annotation/

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Oct 10, 2019 12:19:08   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Sorry kevy but this is a discussion for adults, not l*****t liberal Trump h**ers; the reason being that you have argued agaisnt every single thing Trump ever did. We know your position is simply a Trump h**e position and has no merit. By the way, the Kurds can immigrate at any time. Their requests for asylum are well qualified and DO have merit, should they do that.



Immigration... you do have a good point..

But, what is the position of your orange non-thinker..

He only wants a distraction for the impeachment efforts.. not a bunch of dirty people from a s***hole country..

they, by the rules, should have no trouble getting fast track to America.. but will they? could they?

The orange haze makes it hard to tell for sure..

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Oct 10, 2019 12:28:20   #
Lonewolf
 
Syria shows you just how much damage the Cia can do.
Best thing we could do to end this horror story is k**l off any group fighting asad

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Oct 10, 2019 12:38:12   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Immigration... you do have a good point..

But, what is the position of your orange non-thinker..

He only wants a distraction for the impeachment efforts.. not a bunch of dirty people from a s***hole country..

they, by the rules, should have no trouble getting fast track to America.. but will they? could they?

The orange haze makes it hard to tell for sure..


Trump is pretty consistent on immigration.

As for distractions, Trump wants a distraction for the impeachment efforts? How 'bout the impeachment efforts are a distraction hiding how the Russia investigation got started??

And if you l*****ts want to provide for all those people wanting to come in from the $hit hole countries, by all means do it. It's called charity. Stop trying to make gov provide that.

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Oct 10, 2019 12:54:58   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
Kevyn wrote:
The Armenian genocide took place over 100 years ago, there hasn’t been a person alive responsible for the genocide in this century.


I have posted years ago that Armenian ethnic cleansing was a profound significance I called it genocide for first time, I go a bit blassy on OPP but it's really not proper to call it genocide if you consider it to be a Divine Act to bring about the situation for the outcome of (p) Abraham's Religion to be made apparent, it's really beyond human capacity to be guilty or blamed because it was instigated by God.

Religious tolerance was the hallmark of the Ottomon period the Armenians were prosperous and numerous that changed in 1913 the secular movement took over and the Armenians were ethnically cleansed the property less Kurds became sediment with Armenian holdings.

We could be witnessing another great cultural upheaval, Armenian history you say is irrelevant, but maybe is most relevant Theologically.

Or maybe not, the Sublime Port was lost 100 years ago and the Armenians went down now Religion is making a comeback and the Kurds are going down this is like a yo yo.

Or a Divine Revelation who knows.

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Oct 10, 2019 12:57:45   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Trump is pretty consistent on immigration.

As for distractions, Trump wants a distraction for the impeachment efforts? How 'bout the impeachment efforts are a distraction hiding how the Russia investigation got started??

And if you l*****ts want to provide for all those people wanting to come in from the $hit hole countries, by all means do it. It's called charity. Stop trying to make gov provide that.




It was your idea... hold onto it..

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Oct 10, 2019 13:09:15   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
That's easy for YOU to say!


It took me a fair bit of thinking though.

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Oct 10, 2019 13:09:57   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
It was your idea... hold onto it..


I have provided medical care to literally hundreds free of charge. In hospitals across Texas hundreds of anchor babies are given birth and after birth care for nothing as well. In towns across Texas class rooms are filled with children if i******s. Churches hand out food like a free grocery; that's what they are being. Charity! I see next to zero l*****t liberals involved.

Pass the word. Charity is constitutional. Federal gov paying for their welfare is not.

I'll be looking for those donations from the likes of Rachel Maddow and Stephen Colbert et al.

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