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Oct 10, 2019 22:44:06   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
It's an issue.

The l*****t/Democrat/Trump h**er - "We stay. Trump's abandoning the Kurds. A decision based upon nothing but politics and h**e for Trump.

The Republicans - Two ways of looking at it; We shouldn't leave or we should or maybe, there's more to this than meets the eye. Bottom line, for the Republicans, it's policy debate between opposing thinking, not a knee jerk "I h**e Trump" reaction like the left.


My big question: How is the move of 50 military personnel a total of 25 miles going to bring on Armageddon??

Trump made a fair point: Not all Kurds are the same and not all of them are good, loyal patriotic, pro-Americans. He pointed to an article about some of the history of the Kurds back into past wars. They didn't chime into those wars helping us. They have only helped us when they had something of value to gain. In this case, their homes/land/where they live at present.

Here's the point. It's not a slam dunk sort of policy decision which is easily made. And it's not something you decide on based upon politics and h**e for the president. Our guys are in danger and some will die as they have been now for 20 some odd years in Afghanistan and they region. If I were Trump, I'd get tired of having to explain it to the family's of the service men who died, as to why it was necessary for them to die. Soldiers die, true enough, but are they nothing but pawns to be played and lost??

They say our guys just being there would stop Turkey from attacking the area. Really? How many of you guys want to go over there and essentially be human shields between the Kurds and Turkey, and test that theory?????
It's an issue. br br The l*****t/Democrat/Trump h... (show quote)



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Trump made the following comment in a Breitbart News interview in December 2015 during his p**********l campaign when asked how he would handle Turkey and Syria.

“I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul,” Trump boasted in response. “It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers — two towers, instead of one, not the usual one; it’s two. And I’ve gotten to know Turkey very well. They’re amazing people, they’re incredible people. They have a strong leader.”

He said then that the situation was “complicated,” adding, “I thrive on complicated.” Trump did not reveal what he would do in the region if he were to become commander in chief.

Trump still profits from Trump Towers in Istanbul, and the “strong leader” then was the same as now: President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Though his continuing business interest in Istanbul is widely known, his own admission that it represents a conflict of interest is startling. Critics have long argued that Trump, as presidents traditionally do, should divest from his businesses to avoid conflicts of interest that threaten to put his personal benefit ahead of the nation’s.

In a late Sunday phone call with Erdogan, Trump suddenly agreed to let Turkey occupy a strip of northern Syria, currently controlled by ethnic Kurds who have been America’s most effective allies in battling the so-called Islamic State. Now supporters fear a U.S.-enabled slaughter of the Kurds, who have a centuries-long dispute with Turkey over self-rule.

“Everyone was absolutely flabbergasted by this,” retired Adm. James Stavridis said Monday on MSNBC, referring to the Pentagon perspective on Trump’s action. “Nobody saw it coming, and that is a real problem when you’re trying to conduct not only foreign policy ... but also military operations. That kind of whipsawing effect is extremely detrimental, not only in this tactical situation but strategically, as our planners try and prepare in other theaters, from North Korea to Afghanistan.”

From HuffPost
10-07-2019

So, now do you understand why Trump threw the Kurds under the bus? It was to protect his, personal, investment in Turkey’s capital, least something very, very bad happen to it. actually, he doesn’t own the 2 towers. He allowed his name to be licensed on the towers. As such, he gets a bunch of money off of them.

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Oct 11, 2019 00:13:49   #
PeterS
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Sorry kevy but this is a discussion for adults, not l*****t liberal Trump h**ers; the reason being that you have argued agaisnt every single thing Trump ever did. We know your position is simply a Trump h**e position and has no merit. By the way, the Kurds can immigrate at any time. Their requests for asylum are well qualified and DO have merit, should they do that.

Asylum where...here??? Now you just cracked me up. And do you think arguing for everything Trump does makes you an adult? Crawling up someone's butt and saying their s**t doesn't stink doesn't make you an adult...it makes you a fool...and that's nothing to be proud of...

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Oct 11, 2019 12:03:37   #
dongreen76
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
It's an issue.

The l*****t/Democrat/Trump h**er - "We stay. Trump's abandoning the Kurds. A decision based upon nothing but politics and h**e for Trump.

The Republicans - Two ways of looking at it; We shouldn't leave or we should or maybe, there's more to this than meets the eye. Bottom line, for the Republicans, it's policy debate between opposing thinking, not a knee jerk "I h**e Trump" reaction like the left.


My big question: How is the move of 50 military personnel a total of 25 miles going to bring on Armageddon??

Trump made a fair point: Not all Kurds are the same and not all of them are good, loyal patriotic, pro-Americans. He pointed to an article about some of the history of the Kurds back into past wars. They didn't chime into those wars helping us. They have only helped us when they had something of value to gain. In this case, their homes/land/where they live at present.

Here's the point. It's not a slam dunk sort of policy decision which is easily made. And it's not something you decide on based upon politics and h**e for the president. Our guys are in danger and some will die as they have been now for 20 some odd years in Afghanistan and they region. If I were Trump, I'd get tired of having to explain it to the family's of the service men who died, as to why it was necessary for them to die. Soldiers die, true enough, but are they nothing but pawns to be played and lost??

They say our guys just being there would stop Turkey from attacking the area. Really? How many of you guys want to go over there and essentially be human shields between the Kurds and Turkey, and test that theory?????
It's an issue. br br The l*****t/Democrat/Trump h... (show quote)


You are missing the whole point of the scenario in Syria.It started during the Obama administration.
Trump's policy regarding Syria is fashioned based on the concept of ignorance.It looks like when assuming office , the traditional prepartorial t***sitional enlightment of affairs as they are by the out going president to the in coming president never t***spired

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Oct 11, 2019 12:16:56   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
dongreen76 wrote:
You are missing the whole point of the scenario in Syria.It started during the Obama administration.
Trump's policy regarding Syria is fashioned based on the concept of ignorance.It looks like when assuming office , the traditional prepartorial t***sitional enlightment of affairs as they are by the out going president to the in coming president never t***spired


What's the whole point of the scenario in Syria?

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Oct 11, 2019 12:27:04   #
woodguru
 
RT friend wrote:
The Kurds are principally responsible for the Armenian Genocide.
F.T. K's



You are being fed the BS that justifies Trump following orders from Erdogan and Putin. It didn't hurt a thing to stand the ground we were on and tell Erdogan no you will not be attacking these people, they are fine where they are.

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Oct 11, 2019 13:25:50   #
dongreen76
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
What's the whole point of the scenario in Syria?


That post was not complete,I wrote and elaborated further,Management denied excess to my further elaboration, claim- ing to much time elapsed between the time I sought to edit it ,it was a matter of seconds.That was bogush as hell.I figure they must be Trump supporters.

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Oct 11, 2019 14:41:40   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
woodguru wrote:
You are being fed the BS that justifies Trump following orders from Erdogan and Putin. It didn't hurt a thing to stand the ground we were on and tell Erdogan no you will not be attacking these people, they are fine where they are.


My take on Erdogan was that in Libya he supported Gadaffi but was tied to NATO he was Gadaffu's biggest supporter after me, Erdogan had a great friendship with Assad when Assad's wife had a Cockney accent they spent so much time in London, Erdogan was great mates with Assad.

However after 2012 Erdogan had to part company from Assad as everyone expected NATO bombing of Syria, which failed to feature.

Many hundreds of thousands went to join up with FSA expecting NATO bombing we know personally guys my son fough in the Sydney Boxing scene went off to make their fortunes and nab a couple of s***e girls they never come back not likely to either.

Again however Erdogan after 16 July 2016 when everything went according to plan, the entire army and air force were cooperating with the c**p, but the supporters flooded the streets and it failed, must have been Gulen it was so well planned and enacted, Erdogan then realised he wasn't the partner of NATO he was the target and immediately went back to supporting Assad.

Of course he doesn't admit he supports Assad because there are all these terrorists still out there thinking Erdogan is their buddy and MIT Turkish Military Intelligence are too tough to tough they can stop bombing campaigns because they cultivate influence they want the YPG gone or else.

If you encourage the Kurds to fight Turkey your just k*****g them yourself.


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Oct 11, 2019 16:04:52   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
It's an issue.

The l*****t/Democrat/Trump h**er - "We stay. Trump's abandoning the Kurds. A decision based upon nothing but politics and h**e for Trump.

The Republicans - Two ways of looking at it; We shouldn't leave or we should or maybe, there's more to this than meets the eye. Bottom line, for the Republicans, it's policy debate between opposing thinking, not a knee jerk "I h**e Trump" reaction like the left.


My big question: How is the move of 50 military personnel a total of 25 miles going to bring on Armageddon??

Trump made a fair point: Not all Kurds are the same and not all of them are good, loyal patriotic, pro-Americans. He pointed to an article about some of the history of the Kurds back into past wars. They didn't chime into those wars helping us. They have only helped us when they had something of value to gain. In this case, their homes/land/where they live at present.

Here's the point. It's not a slam dunk sort of policy decision which is easily made. And it's not something you decide on based upon politics and h**e for the president. Our guys are in danger and some will die as they have been now for 20 some odd years in Afghanistan and they region. If I were Trump, I'd get tired of having to explain it to the family's of the service men who died, as to why it was necessary for them to die. Soldiers die, true enough, but are they nothing but pawns to be played and lost??

They say our guys just being there would stop Turkey from attacking the area. Really? How many of you guys want to go over there and essentially be human shields between the Kurds and Turkey, and test that theory?????
It's an issue. br br The l*****t/Democrat/Trump h... (show quote)


Thanks anyway, my over a decade in Afghanistan was enough, I don't want more kids home in boxes. Remember the MOAB? A few of those should level the playing field.

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Oct 11, 2019 21:47:18   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
dongreen76 wrote:
That post was not complete,I wrote and elaborated further,Management denied excess to my further elaboration, claim- ing to much time elapsed between the time I sought to edit it ,it was a matter of seconds.That was bogush as hell.I figure they must be Trump supporters.


Then do it again.

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Oct 11, 2019 21:57:07   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
Thanks anyway, my over a decade in Afghanistan was enough, I don't want more kids home in boxes. Remember the MOAB? A few of those should level the playing field.


I sympathize. Too many times in "Asia" we're the guys sent in as expendable pains. S**k of it.

The MOAB wouldn't help. The truest scenario is cruel, and the only one that will work. Take out leadership in its lair, which in and of itself, will be problematic.

We could bomb them to believe they had excellent coverage. No doubt beneath by.

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