Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

My shovel is at hand...
Tried to be nice...
I forget who's serve it is...

snowbear37 Loc: MA.

Well said!!

tophat

Thank you for posting common sense!

waltmoreno

Bingo!
More random thoughts.
If eliminating the evil of climate change is the objective, obviously the entire planet should be on board, no? After all other land masses contribute to the problem. And less industrial societies contribute far more to pollution per capita than more developed societies. After all nobody wants to do business with known overt polluters.
Why is it then that the US is expected to contribute vastly more to combatting the scourge of climate change than proportion would dictate? To the point of wrecking our economy. Cuz in the overall big picture of the planet, our contribution isn’t going to make that much of a difference.
As for renewable energy sources wind and solar, being able to compete with fossil fuels, that’s a pipe dream. Wind and solar are way, way behind in the amount of energy they can produce than burning fossil fuels. It’s no contest. Not even close!
And to get very big technical, fossil fuels are actually renewable. Oil, coal, and natural gas are made up of hydrocarbon chains of varying lengths which came from decaying organisms that continues to form today. Plants and animals are all composed of hydrocarbons which over millennia become fossil fuels. So today’s forests are tomorrow’s oil, coal and natural gas.
As for Trump savagely attacking the left, I don’t see it. Assume that one is an undecided fence straddler, neither hard right nor hard left. Trump’s speeches wouldn’t offend such a person. I know many former never-Trumpers, like myself, who, when confronted with the choice of Hillary or Trump, held my nose and voted Trump. Hillary was already a known quantity - a bridge too far.
If anyone has been savagely attacked since election night, it’s been Trump. Nonstop. Relentless. I think Trump will only gain more support because of the unceasing, unwarranted attacks on him by the dug-in left. It really doesn’t help their cause with the undecideds. If anything, it pushes the undecided into the Trump tent.
So let the unhinged left rant on. All it’s doing is creating more support for Trump.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

I believe it's mine. I think I'll use my extra heavy tournament shovel for this match.

RickyDCUSMC

Ok, I have read four pages of quotes and most of you really don't get the climate change problem. One climate change has been happening for centuries so anyone believing we can change the natural progress of the earth is simply wishing for what they want. I will concede that the industrial age has sped up the process SLIGHTLY, but climate change will continue no matter what we "foolish humans" believe we can do to change it. Two, there has been technology such as discussed earlier "Geothermal" that can heat and cool ANY home anywhere if it is installed correctly. I worked on a system where I live that stores heat energy efficiently. The heat then can be used through a heat exchanger to produce a cold or hot home environment. Three wind and solar are only about 10% efficient and only work "part time" due to the restrictions of nature. If we could tap the heat below the crust of the earth we could have a long term reliable power source. Four the noise about electric cars and aircraft would also have to address long distance needs that they do not do now before that would be viable. Fifth the technology needed is still in development and from a science and engineering prospective you all should know the fact that all the energy on earth is already hear in another form and we will simply exchange one energy source for another not knowing the long term ramifications of our actions. Sixth and most importantly, does anyone really believe that the Governments around the world are going to allow individuals to produce their own energy of any type in a large scale? They cannot TAX the energy individuals produce if you live off the grid! Currently only a hand full of people live off the grid, but when it expands to millions what do you think will happen? Can anyone say economy?!?

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

It seems your timing was excellent on you installation..

Trump and Kudlow have different ideas about our desire for renewable..


More of the lies from the evil orange fog enshrouding America.. git rid of trump and company!!!!

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/subsidies-electric-cars-renewable-energy/

Trump Is Right — Subsidies For Electric Cars, Renewable Energy Must End

12/05/2018
Subsidies: President Trump's economic adviser Larry Kudlow says subsidies for electric cars and other renewable energy programs might soon be eliminated. That would be a major victory on the road to energy freedom.

National Economic Council chief Kudlow, a well-known free marketeer and supply-sider, said subsidies might disappear as soon as 2020 — interestingly, the next presidential election year. The decision comes after General Motors — the beneficiary of $2,500-$7,000 tax credits for those who buy GM's plug-in cars, not to mention two separate corporate tax cuts — decided to close five North American plants, leaving 14,700 workers without jobs. The move infuriated Trump.

"As a matter of our policy, we want to end all of those subsidies," Kudlow said. "And by the way, other subsidies that were imposed during the Obama administration, we are ending, whether it's for renewables and so forth."

waltmoreno

Wonderful. Let the free market decide what’s viable.
We don’t need some pointy headed bureaucrat determining the fate of electric cars.
Solyndra and other similar Obama-era fiascos should have taught all but the most hard-headed climate change zealots that the free market is the best guide to the future.

prometheus

what is the capital cost per megawatt of solar? of wind? What is the land coverage per megawatt? How many thousands of acres would you need to provide non-fossil power for the city of New York? For the State of NJ?

prometheus

Can you configure a solar or wind farm to produce 3 phase power for industrial use? I don't think you could provide power for NYC if you covered the entire state of NJ with non-fossil generation. What are the transportation issues for wind power. HF transmission line would be useless and have very high transformer losses to reach the voltages needed for tower transportation of power. How would you distribute power if you cannot use the existing grid?

Abel

I have been telling the Republicans exactly what you are saying here; "you have to get down in the dirt with them," but now that they are finally learning how you Progressives do it, you don't like it when you get it back in your face. It's not that the Republicans, of which I am not one of being a conservative independent, don't understand the principals of Saul Alinsky, Marx, Stalin, hunger for power and control, the arrogance of the wealthy, racism, rioting, shouting people down, rigorously spouting their apparatchik agitprop even though they know they are wrong in order to promote their agenda, belittling good people mercilessly, ruining good peoples lives and reputations needlessly and indiscriminately, and dreaming their insanely impossible pipe dreams, they do. They just elect, most of the time, to be a little more civilized; but keep pushing and that will change, even though they won't become Socialists, other than for the RINOs who are simply Democrats who are subversively planted in Congress to obstruct meaningful progress and annoy President Trump.

If you really want to see the stupidity of the language problems, simply look in your mirror, then reread your last contribution to OPP. It is also a good idea to pay attention to spelling, the actual meanings of words such as emigrant, immigrant, migrate, emigrate, and immigrate, as examples to name a very few (not implying that you use these particular words incorrectly, but just usage in general), and proofreading your own work before hitting the send button. I've read some things on OPP, or tried to read them, and have been left completely in the dark as to what the writer said or meant. You are one of the better writers, but your last piece left me a bit disappointed with your language, but I can understand your frustration.

Although I disagree with some of your logic, I don't disagree that we should pursue alternative energy sources if they prove practical and stable. If we cover the Earth with Solar Panels, there will be no plant life to support our lifeforms.

However, to blame homo-sapiens for causing climate change is pretty much unreasonable, since Earth's climate has been changing since the planet formed, which is a long time before we arrived on the scene. What Al Gore and his cult called "Global Warming" is simply just the weather as it follows the activities of the Sun and Sunspots that appear to be on an approximately eleven year cycle, along with the Earth's orbit and spin. Over the last couple of centuries of recordings, if you average these eleven year cycles over about 200 years it forms an approximately sinusoidal cycle, which went through a minimum, a mini-ice age, in the mid 1800s, rose to a peak of warming around 2005 to 2007, and is now trending down the slope of the cycle toward another minimum, possibly another mini-ice age, or maybe even a full blown ice age, somewhere in the mid 2000s. We will still have warm peaks about every eleven years or so, unless the Sun develops other habits, but the average temperature will be decreasing until the minimum is reached, and the cycle begins again if history is to be repeated, which we can hope it will do. Predictions are difficult, and things may go in an entirely different direction and we may or may not survive these changes, but for us to change them is just pie-in-the-sky considering current scientific knowledge.

Climate change appears to be about a 200 year cycle, not something caused by a group of insignificant humans and their various activities. We humans must adapt to Mother Nature, not the other way around! It is the SUN that provides ALL significant energy to the Earth. I'll never see the extent of the approaching minimum due to my age, but I would suggest to you, if you're young enough, that you should hang on to your heavy coat, some good long underwear, and prepare for the effects of shortened growing seasons and their effects on the food supply for the increasing population worldwide. Here in the USA we have elected to reduce our birthrate, which may be a good thing, but we haven't managed to control our increasing population rate, which are polar opposites when it comes to stabilizing the country. That is why we need the "barrier" at the Southern border, and maybe at the Northern border as well, else the reproduction rates of the incoming illegal aliens, being much greater than our own citizens, will soon literally breed us out of a place to live, with no place to emigrate to! Have a great day!

Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.

Renewable energy requires rare metals which are, well, rare. 93% of rare metals currently come from China. China has already use the supply of rare metals as a economic weapon. Do you think that relying on China for our energy needs might raise a problem in the future?

joanie

I would suggest that people living in the cities would enjoy solar power...but where will their solar panels be? It seems only right that people who want solar should have their own solar panels. However, recently 1,000 acres of farmland in southern Virginia was going to be a 'solar farm'. I know a few people who worked very hard to combat this particular spot. Who wants to live surrounded by 1,000 acres of how many solar panels? Oh, those wanting their acreage to be used were promised $1million for use of the land. In a time when we are having trouble feeding our own people, why take valuable farmland this way. What good will solar power energy do if we do not have enough food? Losing farmland is a real crisis today with urban sprawl. I am a native of Wisconsin and most areas now have restrictions on using farmland for homes. Maybe we should look more into wind power. We all know the winds always blow at the beaches; east and west and south. The Netherlands had hundreds of windmills along their coast back in 2006 providing electricity. A hue and a cry would go up if we did that here, however, the hue and cry will go up in middle America as well if we continue to take farmland for solar.

Buzzer

Just think how GREEN an Interstate Magnetic Levitation Mass Transit System would be, moving at 300+ MPH in nearly all kinds of weather without delays. How many, not just jobs, but careers it would create. How many spin-offs and satellite industries it would create. But you are right --- the GOP has no vision of the future for the American people, just their 1%.

JoyV

I have heard childish insults from both sides. But almost never have I heard any racist insults from conservatives unless you consider being a Democrat or being liberal or progressive to be races. I have heard some antisemitic insults from a few on the left. But not from the majority.

So can you lay out the many racist insults I've missed?