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Dec 24, 2013 09:02:39   #
LAPhil Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
lpnmajor wrote:
I agree. I still suspect that there were repub. plants on the team building the website. Obama dropped the ball by not checking it first, but I don't see how that website could have been so screwed it up if it were not sabotaged. I'm not happy with ACA but it's a place to start.
What we have come to expect from the congress is name calling, posturing, blaming, obstructing, and undermining everything. The world hears what our ambassadors and Sec. of state says and then hears congress people second guess, accuse and otherwise undo everything. We look like i***ts.
I agree. I still suspect that there were repub. pl... (show quote)

I can't believe you would give this administration this much credit.

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Dec 24, 2013 09:46:46   #
Richard94611
 
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MarvinSussman wrote:
Every condominium board in the nation has a list of projects with cost and time estimates, contractor’s bids, zoning approvals, etc., etc. But tax cutters have reduced the federal (and many state) governments to a level that, outside of the DOD, we have no registry of all the nation’s infrastructure with state of condition, maintenance schedule, plans, available contractors, pending contracts, environmental impact, regulatory and zoning approvals, etc., etc. Small government zealots have starved the beast into imbecility!

It’s a wonder that the stimulus accomplished what it did:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/09/everything-people-think-they-know-about-the-stimulus-is-wrong/

Read it and learn something:: http://www.pitbulleconomics.com/stimulus.pdf

The government does not have a software capability. It is forced to hire private enterprise to create a system. And it must hire the lowest bidder, who has to cut corners to make a buck.

We have to go back to civil service government employees who take p***e in their work.

Conservatives are not patriotic. They are just cheap and stingy.

You get what you pay for.

The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country. – A. Lincoln
Every condominium board in the nation has a list o... (show quote)


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Dec 24, 2013 11:52:14   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
UncleJesse wrote:
Ah yes, what can be accomplished with bi-partisanship (RINOS and DINOS). You make such an excellent argument.

Just think how WWII would have been so much more difficult to win if Republicans had stood their ground about keeping the US out of "Europe's War" known formally as the America First Committee.

Just think how much longer it would have taken to defeat Germany if Republicans would have insisted on a balanced budget because economic catastrophe would soon occur due to the unsustainable debt spending rising first above 80% and later 113% of GDP.

Considering how much was accomplished with the sides united, I wonder how much better that obamacare site would have been if both sides had worked together as they did together in support of WWII?
Ah yes, what can be accomplished with bi-partisans... (show quote)


Are you trying to shift blame to the Republicans for the failure of the Obamacare website? If so, how about trying to remember what Obama continuously said about who was running the show? Of course, there was a lot of fighting about a law that was passed by one side only. How many Republican v**es did Obamacare have and why so many? Had anyone stated "I Won" and it is time for you people to allow your butts to be pushed around.

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Dec 24, 2013 11:55:10   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Harpooner1 wrote:
Yes, Obama said this, well, not the F*** up part, but, on the campaign trail for the 2008 e******n, he did say, " I've been to all 57 states......"

But, the media gave him a pass due to the rigors of the campaign trail. You know, i think politicians running for office should have to do games shows like Jeopardy, or maybe Are you smarter than a fifth grader...Might be revealing...


Your Fifth Grader suggestion would result in some real noise from the MSM about him being so tired and functioning slowly because of it.

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Dec 24, 2013 11:56:51   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
lpnmajor wrote:
I agree. I still suspect that there were repub. plants on the team building the website. Obama dropped the ball by not checking it first, but I don't see how that website could have been so screwed it up if it were not sabotaged. I'm not happy with ACA but it's a place to start.
What we have come to expect from the congress is name calling, posturing, blaming, obstructing, and undermining everything. The world hears what our ambassadors and Sec. of state says and then hears congress people second guess, accuse and otherwise undo everything. We look like i***ts.
I agree. I still suspect that there were repub. pl... (show quote)


Can you point out some differences in the present Congress and the one 10 years ago other than the reversal of parties?

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Dec 24, 2013 11:59:59   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
UncleJesse wrote:
Ah yes, what can be accomplished with bi-partisanship (RINOS and DINOS). You make such an excellent argument.

Just think how WWII would have been so much more difficult to win if Republicans had stood their ground about keeping the US out of "Europe's War" known formally as the America First Committee.

Just think how much longer it would have taken to defeat Germany if Republicans would have insisted on a balanced budget because economic catastrophe would soon occur due to the unsustainable debt spending rising first above 80% and later 113% of GDP.

Considering how much was accomplished with the sides united, I wonder how much better that obamacare site would have been if both sides had worked together as they did together in support of WWII?
Ah yes, what can be accomplished with bi-partisans... (show quote)


What united the parties for World War II? I ask you this because to remain isolationist after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor would have been suicidal. I am alluding to the revisionist theories put forth by many writers in the late 1970s about the fact that Roosevelt very craftily laid a trap for the Japanese by having the Pacific Fleet at harbor in Pearl every weekend for months.

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Dec 24, 2013 12:01:52   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
UncleJesse wrote:
Ah yes, what can be accomplished with bi-partisanship (RINOS and DINOS). You make such an excellent argument.

Just think how WWII would have been so much more difficult to win if Republicans had stood their ground about keeping the US out of "Europe's War" known formally as the America First Committee.

Just think how much longer it would have taken to defeat Germany if Republicans would have insisted on a balanced budget because economic catastrophe would soon occur due to the unsustainable debt spending rising first above 80% and later 113% of GDP.

Considering how much was accomplished with the sides united, I wonder how much better that obamacare site would have been if both sides had worked together as they did together in support of WWII?
Ah yes, what can be accomplished with bi-partisans... (show quote)


Worked together your f'ing joking right. You can't read it just sign it and that was to their own people.

Then you try to get them to just delay it to work on some of the more problem areas of it and they refuse. And just to kick the republicans in the family jewels the president is forced to delay it because of the problem areas.

If we even have a country come 2016 the young will not be v****g as they once did.

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Dec 24, 2013 12:02:56   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
Every condominium board in the nation has a list of projects with cost and time estimates, contractor’s bids, zoning approvals, etc., etc. But tax cutters have reduced the federal (and many state) governments to a level that, outside of the DOD, we have no registry of all the nation’s infrastructure with state of condition, maintenance schedule, plans, available contractors, pending contracts, environmental impact, regulatory and zoning approvals, etc., etc. Small government zealots have starved the beast into imbecility!

It’s a wonder that the stimulus accomplished what it did:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/09/everything-people-think-they-know-about-the-stimulus-is-wrong/

Read it and learn something:: http://www.pitbulleconomics.com/stimulus.pdf

The government does not have a software capability. It is forced to hire private enterprise to create a system. And it must hire the lowest bidder, who has to cut corners to make a buck.

We have to go back to civil service government employees who take p***e in their work.

Conservatives are not patriotic. They are just cheap and stingy.

You get what you pay for.

The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country. – A. Lincoln
Every condominium board in the nation has a list o... (show quote)


MEIN GOTT, Marvin you spend all that time blaming Republicans for all our problems and then quote the top Republican? I think you may be a bit confused.

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Dec 24, 2013 12:03:59   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
You're right, good point. Bipartisanship takes both sides. When one side does not insist on a two-party bill for any major reform, it is just as bad as the other side fighting it years after it was passed.

oldroy wrote:
Are you trying to shift blame to the Republicans for the failure of the Obamacare website? If so, how about trying to remember what Obama continuously said about who was running the show? Of course, there was a lot of fighting about a law that was passed by one side only. How many Republican v**es did Obamacare have and why so many? Had anyone stated "I Won" and it is time for you people to allow your butts to be pushed around.

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Dec 24, 2013 12:05:16   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
LAPhil wrote:
I can't believe you would give this administration this much credit.


Not only did he give the presentation all that credit he accused the GOP of sneaking in people into the group that constructed that website. Of course, they will talk that way forever since they have to find a way to make a monster excuse for the sad group that had been selected to build it, no matter the reason for that.

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Dec 24, 2013 12:06:03   #
LAPhil Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
oldroy wrote:
MEIN GOTT, Marvin you spend all that time blaming Republicans for all our problems and then quote the top Republican? I think you may be a bit confused.

He seems more than a bit confused to me. Like he has a lot of things backwards.

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Dec 24, 2013 12:07:01   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
UncleJesse wrote:
You're right, good point. Bipartisanship takes both sides. When one side does not insist on a two-party bill for any major reform, it is just as bad as the other side fighting it years after it was passed.


I fear, Jesse, that you just failed in your attempt to blame the GOP for the failure of ACA. Nice try, though. If one of them in each house had v**ed for the a******n would that have made it bipartisan? :-P :-P

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Dec 24, 2013 12:09:00   #
LAPhil Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
oldroy wrote:
Not only did he give the presentation all that credit he accused the GOP of sneaking in people into the group that constructed that website. Of course, they will talk that way forever since they have to find a way to make a monster excuse for the sad group that had been selected to build it, no matter the reason for that.

Kind of surprising that no one in the administration or any of its supporters have come up with that excuse by now.

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Dec 24, 2013 12:09:14   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
LAPhil wrote:
He seems more than a bit confused to me. Like he has a lot of things backwards.


He makes great, selective use of search engines and lets fly. He is searching right now.

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Dec 24, 2013 12:11:28   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
Hey Oldroy!
You're the one who brought it up!
I am agreeing with you - how successful the country can be when both sides work together to accomplish a common goal. Obamacare was one-sided. Think how it could've been if the Dems in power plus the President had insisted on a bi-partisan law.

oldroy wrote:
What united the parties for World War II? I ask you this because to remain isolationist after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor would have been suicidal. I am alluding to the revisionist theories put forth by many writers in the late 1970s about the fact that Roosevelt very craftily laid a trap for the Japanese by having the Pacific Fleet at harbor in Pearl every weekend for months.

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