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Dec 24, 2013 13:18:29   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
trucksterbud wrote:
Just so EVERYONE knows who missed it - there were forces in the area who were able to be there in 45 minutes from the start of the attack - by air. A c-130 gunship and several Cobra attack helicopters were stationed on the OTHER SIDE OF LIBYA but yet the anointed one gave the stand down order. Just so EVERYONE who missed it gets it - the CIA was running guns and money through Libya to Syrian forces and the Libyans didn't like it one bit. Hence the reason for the attack. The slaughter was allowed to silence / k**l off anyone who knew about this, except Hillary. She was protected just as all higher ups in gov were. And that is what has been done at every turn here. Hence the dismissal of Patreaus. Just like Oliver North. North was the kingpin to fall to keep the investigation from going higher up. Patreaus was the kingpin to fall to protect the higher ups.
Just so EVERYONE knows who missed it - there were ... (show quote)


I agree 100% , there was reported to be about 14 -C.I.A.
agents within 4 or 5 blocks from the consul at the time of the assault .
They are the ones who had to swear to silence and was given new identity's and moved away with all their families.
They swept the guns to Mexico under the rug , and they are sweeping the B******i event under the rug .
And it looks like out Congressmen and women are not going to push for the answers for some reason .
Somebody needs to go to jail for supplying arms to the Mexico cartel and the terrorist in B******i !
Since when did the United States start selling arms to people who are attempting to over throw a government ?
I think that's why the B******i police and army did not send one person to the compound to help.

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Dec 24, 2013 13:35:06   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
banjojack wrote:
I seem to recall a bunch of Democrats agreeing. But they won't second-guess anyone until it is politically advantageous for them to do so.


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Dec 24, 2013 14:14:57   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
Of course the CIC know about all the operations. He oks them. Why would you ever be in doubt?


So the great CIC okayed that gun running to Syrian rebels and then failed to try to save the life of the ambassador who was among a pile of those weapons. You say he knew about it and I say he wanted Stevens dead. One of us is wrong or together we are both right.

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Dec 24, 2013 16:29:26   #
MarvinSussman
 
oldroy wrote:
So the great CIC okayed that gun running to Syrian rebels and then failed to try to save the life of the ambassador who was among a pile of those weapons. You say he knew about it and I say he wanted Stevens dead. One of us is wrong or together we are both right.


Gun running was Stevens idea. He was in B******i to push it. Obama OKd it.

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Dec 24, 2013 16:45:28   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
Gun running was Stevens idea. He was in B******i to push it. Obama OKd it.


Gun running was Stevens' idea? Obama okayed it. I guess that doesn't implicate Obama much, in your mind. I would say that most of his ideas come from his people and he either turns them down or goes along. You just blew it for I Won.

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Dec 24, 2013 22:36:15   #
MarvinSussman
 
oldroy wrote:
Gun running was Stevens' idea? Obama okayed it. I guess that doesn't implicate Obama much, in your mind. I would say that most of his ideas come from his people and he either turns them down or goes along. You just blew it for I Won.


Actually, the whole idea was something the CIA has been doing for years, offering lots of money for anti-aircraft weapons. The cost of losing a plane is so high that one heat-seeker is worth a bundle. The enemy is h**eful but not toward money.

The operation in B******i just followed up the fall of Qaddafi which released all kinds of stuff. Stevens was hot after them and took one risk too big.

For Obama, this operation was just one of a hundred going on and of little relative importance - until the attack. As ambassador, Stevens was in complete command of the operation, including pr********n and provision for contingencies.

We know as much about the attack and the defense as the CIA wants us to know. You may not like the cover story the CIA provided for Susan Rice, but nobody cares whether you like it or not. So let your imagination run wild. If you can d**g Obama into the story, it will make you feel better but it won't amount to a small hill of beans.

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Dec 24, 2013 22:53:40   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
Actually, the whole idea was something the CIA has been doing for years, offering lots of money for anti-aircraft weapons. The cost of losing a plane is so high that one heat-seeker is worth a bundle. The enemy is h**eful but not toward money.

The operation in B******i just followed up the fall of Qaddafi which released all kinds of stuff. Stevens was hot after them and took one risk too big.

For Obama, this operation was just one of a hundred going on and of little relative importance - until the attack. As ambassador, Stevens was in complete command of the operation, including pr********n and provision for contingencies.

We know as much about the attack and the defense as the CIA wants us to know. You may not like the cover story the CIA provided for Susan Rice, but nobody cares whether you like it or not. So let your imagination run wild. If you can d**g Obama into the story, it will make you feel better but it won't amount to a small hill of beans.
Actually, the whole idea was something the CIA has... (show quote)


You are the one who said that Obama knew all about it and okayed it. Of course, selling those weapons to the rebels in Syria wasn't at all a bad idea. I wonder if he okayed them k*****g their own people with the gas so he could blame it on the government. I am pretty sure he did just that.

I guess you never did hear the whistle blowers tell their story, did you?

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Dec 25, 2013 06:53:26   #
1OldGeezer
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
Actually, the whole idea was something the CIA has been doing for years, offering lots of money for anti-aircraft weapons. The cost of losing a plane is so high that one heat-seeker is worth a bundle. The enemy is h**eful but not toward money.

The operation in B******i just followed up the fall of Qaddafi which released all kinds of stuff. Stevens was hot after them and took one risk too big.

For Obama, this operation was just one of a hundred going on and of little relative importance - until the attack. As ambassador, Stevens was in complete command of the operation, including pr********n and provision for contingencies.

We know as much about the attack and the defense as the CIA wants us to know. You may not like the cover story the CIA provided for Susan Rice, but nobody cares whether you like it or not. So let your imagination run wild. If you can d**g Obama into the story, it will make you feel better but it won't amount to a small hill of beans.
Actually, the whole idea was something the CIA has... (show quote)


Marvin,
You are telling us the CIA doesn't let Obama know about what is going on; Big O only knows what he reads in the newspapers? And the CIA also told Obama what to say about the cause of the "event"? (I guess that could all be true) I don't know if that makes it any better or not.... anyway, today I will believe anything you say;
I sincerely wish you and yours a Merry Christmas.
1oldgeezer

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Dec 25, 2013 09:34:42   #
MarvinSussman
 
1OldGeezer wrote:
Marvin,
You are telling us the CIA doesn't let Obama know about what is going on; Big O only knows what he reads in the newspapers? And the CIA also told Obama what to say about the cause of the "event"? (I guess that could all be true) I don't know if that makes it any better or not.... anyway, today I will believe anything you say;
I sincerely wish you and yours a Merry Christmas.
1oldgeezer


The CIA could not possibly tell Obama everything that is going on everywhere in the world because he can't sit still to listen to all of it and also find time to eat and sleep. You are living in a cartoon world where the President personally leads an attack on Baghdad and then flies onto the deck of the Lexington aircraft carrier to celebrate "mission accomplished". Wake up!

And Merry Christmas!

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Dec 25, 2013 10:08:54   #
MarvinSussman
 
oldroy wrote:
You are the one who said that Obama knew all about it and okayed it. Of course, selling those weapons to the rebels in Syria wasn't at all a bad idea. I wonder if he okayed them k*****g their own people with the gas so he could blame it on the government. I am pretty sure he did just that.

I guess you never did hear the whistle blowers tell their story, did you?


There is no way I can answer every snippet of rumor or conservative wet dream. Fortunately, someone else has done that job superbly. Chapter XII is what you want:

Read the $2 book you can download from Amazon about the Republican's "B******i H**x":

Chapter headings:

H**x I: Romney's Statement backfires.

H**x II: "Terrorism" versus "an act of terror"; making a mountain out of a molehill.

H**x III: The attack on Susan Rice; Republicans blow a CIA cover story. WTF!

H**x IV Talking Points; Gen. Petraeus was the sole author.

H**x V: The Republican Investigation - Keystone Kops

H**x VI: Hilary's "f**e" Concussion - with a life-threatening blood clot.

H**x VII Hilary f**ed her emotions - about the murder of her
friends

H**x VIII A Disengaged Administration - Obama should have parachuted in to help.

H**x IX Military Options - Republican Defense Sec. Gates says "Stand Down!"

H**x X The Critical Cable; Hilary signs a damning cable - and every State Dept. cable.

H**x XI Accountability Review Board - Generals didn't convict Hilary.

H**x XII Muzzled - "whistle-blowers" who couldn't whistle.

H**x XIII Left Behind - "No rescue team" – but one of the 4 dead came with a rescue team.

H**x XIV: The "Stand down order" - that never was

H**x XV The Jonathan Karl Scoop - disproved by CIA release of 100 emails

Conclusion: Wing-nuts foaming at the mouth.

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Dec 25, 2013 10:31:23   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
Gun running was Stevens idea. He was in B******i to push it. Obama OKd it.


How do you figure Stevens had the power to tell the C.I.A. what to do ? And how did Stevens get the guns to give to the rebels .
Stevens was in B******i to promote peace and co-operation between Syria and the U.S. not as a gun-runner !
What was about 14 C.I.A. agents doing in Syria ?
I don't think it was a peace keeping trip !

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Dec 25, 2013 10:47:13   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
oldroy wrote:
You are the one who said that Obama knew all about it and okayed it. Of course, selling those weapons to the rebels in Syria wasn't at all a bad idea. I wonder if he okayed them k*****g their own people with the gas so he could blame it on the government. I am pretty sure he did just that.

I guess you never did hear the whistle blowers tell their story, did you?


Sorry but I don't think we should help anyone o*******w any foreign government !
But our president is the only one who thinks he wants to run the whole world even to the point of sacrificing his own country !
I know I'm going to hear about Bush , but Bush's war was approved by congress and was a war on terrorism !
Iraq harbored and had hundreds of terrorist training camps in Iraq and at one time had weapons of mass destruction . They used them on the northern Kurds .
Of course after taking over a year of trying to get U.N. help and congress approval , Hussein had plenty of time to move the chemical weapons to another country!

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Dec 25, 2013 12:25:04   #
MarvinSussman
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
How do you figure Stevens had the power to tell the C.I.A. what to do ? And how did Stevens get the guns to give to the rebels .
Stevens was in B******i to promote peace and co-operation between Syria and the U.S. not as a gun-runner !
What was about 14 C.I.A. agents doing in Syria ?
I don't think it was a peace keeping trip !


The President tells everyone in his administration what to do. It was a gun-buying operation. There is no consulate in B******i. There is only a CIA operation. There is no question in Libya more important than buying Qaddafi's arsenal. Stevens was always fully committed to that problem.

There are probably more than 14 CIA agents in Syria but they have nothing to do with B******i.

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Dec 25, 2013 13:30:54   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
1OldGeezer wrote:
RetNavyCWO,
We know that people in Washinton DC in Obama's cabinet watched the attack unfold in real time. You are now justifying Obama not sending a rescue mission by saying that the administration DID know about the attack even to the extent that Ambassador Stevens was already dead a few hours after the attack began !!!!! (It would be incredible (unbelievable) that people with the authority to order a rescue attempt would not immediately tell Obama about the "event" when the attack first began).

Why didn't the admin attempt a rescue or send help in the two hours prior to the people being overrun?

You have now admitted that you believe Obama knew all about the attack as it was happening and still went to bed, went on a fund raising trip the next day, and then spent the next three weeks, with Susan Rice, lying about the cause of the attack.
I remember afterwards, when Obama told us how outraged he was, and that he would see that the perpetrators were punished. Can you provide a list of those punished ???

It is inconceivable why any thinking person would now try to justify this !!!
1oldgeezer
RetNavyCWO, br We know that people in Washinton DC... (show quote)


Already answered elsewhere. Keep beating the dead horse if you want. The answers to your questions are in the official report that you refused to read. I provided the link. You apparently ignored it because it doesn't fit your agenda.

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Dec 25, 2013 13:41:38   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
poppabear42 wrote:
No, what is there to do? And if the Republicans don't stop cutting funds for that type program, it is going to be worse the next time.
I feel that you want to blame President Obama, for what happened in B******i, but think about this small fact...If the Republicans had not cut funding for B******i, it is very possible, that if there had been enough of our forces in B******i, those people would still be alive today.
But, as we all know, the Republicans have to fill all those holes in our budget, caused by tax breaks for their rich buddies, and the oil companies, etc.
And that much bigger hole, that was made by Bush, and Cheney, when they stole all of the troops money, and put two wars on our credit cards, and the tax breaks too.
So, if you can't handle the t***h about a situation, it would be a damned good idea, to stop searching.
No, what is there to do? And if the Republicans do... (show quote)



You actually think that was the result of the sequester?

:lol: :lol: :lol: How lame!

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