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Dec 22, 2013 22:15:45   #
hunter14207
 
Will any thing ever be done with this?

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Dec 22, 2013 22:16:15   #
hunter14207
 
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Dec 22, 2013 22:38:10   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
h****r14207 wrote:
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it's coming

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Dec 22, 2013 23:27:57   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
h****r14207 wrote:
Will any thing ever be done with this?


No.

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Dec 23, 2013 05:42:25   #
poppabear42
 
No, what is there to do? And if the Republicans don't stop cutting funds for that type program, it is going to be worse the next time.
I feel that you want to blame President Obama, for what happened in B******i, but think about this small fact...If the Republicans had not cut funding for B******i, it is very possible, that if there had been enough of our forces in B******i, those people would still be alive today.
But, as we all know, the Republicans have to fill all those holes in our budget, caused by tax breaks for their rich buddies, and the oil companies, etc.
And that much bigger hole, that was made by Bush, and Cheney, when they stole all of the troops money, and put two wars on our credit cards, and the tax breaks too.
So, if you can't handle the t***h about a situation, it would be a damned good idea, to stop searching.

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Dec 23, 2013 06:16:36   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
poppabear42 wrote:
No, what is there to do? And if the Republicans don't stop cutting funds for that type program, it is going to be worse the next time.
I feel that you want to blame President Obama, for what happened in B******i, but think about this small fact...If the Republicans had not cut funding for B******i, it is very possible, that if there had been enough of our forces in B******i, those people would still be alive today.
But, as we all know, the Republicans have to fill all those holes in our budget, caused by tax breaks for their rich buddies, and the oil companies, etc.
And that much bigger hole, that was made by Bush, and Cheney, when they stole all of the troops money, and put two wars on our credit cards, and the tax breaks too.
So, if you can't handle the t***h about a situation, it would be a damned good idea, to stop searching.
No, what is there to do? And if the Republicans do... (show quote)


Terrible thing, that. Not enough money to gas up an airplane full of troops for a four hour flight, but 20 million bucks available for Michelle's non-government business vacations and junkets. Darned old Republicans. Then they gave their rich buddies so many tax breaks that their rich buddies donated more to the Democrats than Republicans. You would think the multi-millionaire Democrats in the Congress, who outnumber the multi-millionaire Republicans, woutld do something about that. Especially since they had control of the House and Senate and Presidency for two years. Oh, that's right, they were busy passing a healthcare law that most Americans don't support. It cost them the House in 2010, and is even more unpopular now. But I digress. There were troops and t***sportation available to effect a rescue. They could have been there in four hours. They were not used.

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Dec 23, 2013 06:50:38   #
Liberty Tree
 
h****r14207 wrote:
Will any thing ever be done with this?


No, because Democrats do not have the integrity and Republicans do not have the backbone.

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Dec 23, 2013 07:03:21   #
1OldGeezer
 
Poppabear42,
You seem to saying that the B******i event is only about a funding problem, that is ridiculous and you know it (and I know you know it).

The dispicable part about B******i was that Obama knew about the attack in real time, and for his own political advantage he deliberately stopped any rescue attempt and four great Americans died needlessly. (the stand down order.)

Then there was the three weeks of looking us all in the eye and telling us it was a reaction to a film knowing that wasn't true.
How did you miss all this, Were you on another planet ???

How can you possibly justify these actions by Obama?

What is there to do? I think Obama should be fired and an American who believes in the US should be given the job.
1oldgeezer

poppabear42 wrote:
No, what is there to do? And if the Republicans don't stop cutting funds for that type program, it is going to be worse the next time.
I feel that you want to blame President Obama, for what happened in B******i, but think about this small fact...If the Republicans had not cut funding for B******i, it is very possible, that if there had been enough of our forces in B******i, those people would still be alive today.
But, as we all know, the Republicans have to fill all those holes in our budget, caused by tax breaks for their rich buddies, and the oil companies, etc.
And that much bigger hole, that was made by Bush, and Cheney, when they stole all of the troops money, and put two wars on our credit cards, and the tax breaks too.
So, if you can't handle the t***h about a situation, it would be a damned good idea, to stop searching.
No, what is there to do? And if the Republicans do... (show quote)

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Dec 23, 2013 07:46:08   #
MarvinSussman
 
1OldGeezer wrote:
Poppabear42,
You seem to saying that the B******i event is only about a funding problem, that is ridiculous and you know it (and I know you know it).

The dispicable part about B******i was that Obama knew about the attack in real time, and for his own political advantage he deliberately stopped any rescue attempt and four great Americans died needlessly. (the stand down order.)

Then there was the three weeks of looking us all in the eye and telling us it was a reaction to a film knowing that wasn't true.
How did you miss all this, Were you on another planet ???

How can you possibly justify these actions by Obama?

What is there to do? I think Obama should be fired and an American who believes in the US should be given the job.
1oldgeezer
Poppabear42, br You seem to saying that the B*****... (show quote)


You started complaining only after Bush’s last “B******i”:
January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are k**led.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, k*****g 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are k**led.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, k*****g 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, k*****g two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are k**led.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate k*****g four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are k**led, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school k*****g two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are k**led.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are k**led, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weekswhen the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

There were 13 “B******i” attacks on US embassies and consulates. Twelve of them happened during the Bush administration. Where was the outrage? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/…

Government-shrinking conservatives cut $11B from the State Departments budget.http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-…

In May 2012, Ambassador Steven continued to make requests for additional security. The State Department official replied that, due to other commitments and limited resources, “unfortunately, MSD cannot support the request.” http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/up…

When State robbed Peter to pay Paul, the cons complained that Peter was being whacked. “Why didn’t Obama do something?” Missing $11B! = “other commitments and limited resources”.

The CIA’S problem is that they don’t tell anyone what they are doing. When they call for help, there are no fully-loaded planes ready for take-off. Resources have to be gathered and deployed. Pr********n is the only substitute for time. Help came from Tripoli but not in time. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/d…
Official Pentagon time-line: http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/world/africa/libya-b******i-timeline

Foreign Policy published an interesting item from Billy Birdzell, a retired Marine Corps infantry officer and special operations team leader, responding to Fox's secret informant. http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201… His conclusion:

“Even if the CIF was on ready 5 (fully armed, sitting in the aircraft with pilots at the controls) in Sigonella (the closest European base to B******i) with advanced warning of an attack but unsure of the time, and they launched at 2232 on only-in-Hollywood orders from someone other than the president, they would not have been able to do anything about Stevens and Smith's deaths, nor stopped the mortar rounds.”

Mr. Petraeus said the names of groups suspected in the attack — including Al Qaeda’s franchise in North Africa and a local Libyan group, Ansar al-Shariah — were removed from the public explanation of the attack immediately after the assault to avoiding alerting the militants that American intelligence and law enforcement agencies were tracking them. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/world/…

The other problem with the CIA is that they always need a cover story in case their operation is blown. So they OK a story that conceals wh**ever they want to conceal. And everyone on the team goes along with the story. That’s the entire story. End of story.

But if you are a conservative, then it’s a new story and all Obama’s fault. Why was he sleeping on the job? Why did he refuse to act in time to save the ambassador? Why did he lie about what happened. Why doesn’t he let the t***h get out? Etc., etc.

Politicians (and some journalists) get away with that crap because half of all adults have below-average IQ. And only a small fraction of the other half has any military experience. They have a cartoon view of a world in which the President is omniscient and can push a button and counter attacks arrive on time.

The Commander-in-Chief does not direct a platoon. That is done by a lieutenant, far down the line. The C-in-C gets a report concerning one of dozens of simultaneous emergencies. He orders a fix and then turns away to the next emergency in line, expecting to eventually get an update from his next-in-command. It is only in the very rare “K**l Ben Laden” operation that the C-in-C observes the progress. That’s the real world, beyond the comprehension of a conservative.

The naïve view of the conservative is fed by visions of GWB landing on the deck of the Lexington, fresh from the combat zone where he personally directed the defeat of Saddam. Conservatives live in a cartoon world. The with-hunt won’t work. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article…

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Dec 23, 2013 08:01:55   #
1OldGeezer
 
Marvin,
I'm sorry, I guess I missed it when Bush lied for 3 weeks about the attacks for his political advantage. (You do understand that lying about this was not a good thing?)I would put the lying on the level of a "slap in the face" to the American people. You don't ???
You also understand that the complaints aren't all about the attack but about the cowardly action of deliberately leaving these American on their own to die, when Obama had the resources available to help?
Back up and try again.
1oldgeezer


MarvinSussman wrote:
You started complaining only after Bush’s last “B******i”:
January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are k**led.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, k*****g 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are k**led.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, k*****g 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, k*****g two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are k**led.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate k*****g four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are k**led, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school k*****g two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are k**led.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are k**led, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weekswhen the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

There were 13 “B******i” attacks on US embassies and consulates. Twelve of them happened during the Bush administration. Where was the outrage? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/…

Government-shrinking conservatives cut $11B from the State Departments budget.http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-…

In May 2012, Ambassador Steven continued to make requests for additional security. The State Department official replied that, due to other commitments and limited resources, “unfortunately, MSD cannot support the request.” http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/up…

When State robbed Peter to pay Paul, the cons complained that Peter was being whacked. “Why didn’t Obama do something?” Missing $11B! = “other commitments and limited resources”.

The CIA’S problem is that they don’t tell anyone what they are doing. When they call for help, there are no fully-loaded planes ready for take-off. Resources have to be gathered and deployed. Pr********n is the only substitute for time. Help came from Tripoli but not in time. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/d…
Official Pentagon time-line: http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/world/africa/libya-b******i-timeline

Foreign Policy published an interesting item from Billy Birdzell, a retired Marine Corps infantry officer and special operations team leader, responding to Fox's secret informant. http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201… His conclusion:

“Even if the CIF was on ready 5 (fully armed, sitting in the aircraft with pilots at the controls) in Sigonella (the closest European base to B******i) with advanced warning of an attack but unsure of the time, and they launched at 2232 on only-in-Hollywood orders from someone other than the president, they would not have been able to do anything about Stevens and Smith's deaths, nor stopped the mortar rounds.”

Mr. Petraeus said the names of groups suspected in the attack — including Al Qaeda’s franchise in North Africa and a local Libyan group, Ansar al-Shariah — were removed from the public explanation of the attack immediately after the assault to avoiding alerting the militants that American intelligence and law enforcement agencies were tracking them. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/world/…

The other problem with the CIA is that they always need a cover story in case their operation is blown. So they OK a story that conceals wh**ever they want to conceal. And everyone on the team goes along with the story. That’s the entire story. End of story.

But if you are a conservative, then it’s a new story and all Obama’s fault. Why was he sleeping on the job? Why did he refuse to act in time to save the ambassador? Why did he lie about what happened. Why doesn’t he let the t***h get out? Etc., etc.

Politicians (and some journalists) get away with that crap because half of all adults have below-average IQ. And only a small fraction of the other half has any military experience. They have a cartoon view of a world in which the President is omniscient and can push a button and counter attacks arrive on time.

The Commander-in-Chief does not direct a platoon. That is done by a lieutenant, far down the line. The C-in-C gets a report concerning one of dozens of simultaneous emergencies. He orders a fix and then turns away to the next emergency in line, expecting to eventually get an update from his next-in-command. It is only in the very rare “K**l Ben Laden” operation that the C-in-C observes the progress. That’s the real world, beyond the comprehension of a conservative.

The naïve view of the conservative is fed by visions of GWB landing on the deck of the Lexington, fresh from the combat zone where he personally directed the defeat of Saddam. Conservatives live in a cartoon world. The with-hunt won’t work. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article…
You started complaining only after Bush’s last “B*... (show quote)

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Dec 23, 2013 08:44:19   #
Weyner
 
We all have to get our country back and quit fighting with ourselves,its our Freedom here that is on the line,Our Govmnt is not doing us any good,they are bunch of SCUMBAGS,out for their own good and SCREW the American People!

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Dec 23, 2013 10:38:44   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
Weyner wrote:
We all have to get our country back and quit fighting with ourselves,its our Freedom here that is on the line,Our Govmnt is not doing us any good,they are bunch of SCUMBAGS,out for their own good and SCREW the American People!


just in case you haven't noticed that is exactly what we are doing those in gov't. now want C*******m and we on the right want freedom but too many of those in congress that claim to be on the right either have no backbone or they are lying about being on the right

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Dec 23, 2013 10:44:57   #
MarvinSussman
 
1OldGeezer wrote:
Marvin,
I'm sorry, I guess I missed it when Bush lied for 3 weeks about the attacks for his political advantage. (You do understand that lying about this was not a good thing?)I would put the lying on the level of a "slap in the face" to the American people. You don't ???
You also understand that the complaints aren't all about the attack but about the cowardly action of deliberately leaving these American on their own to die, when Obama had the resources available to help?
Back up and try again.
1oldgeezer
Marvin, br I'm sorry, I guess I missed it when Bu... (show quote)


Read the $2 book you can download from Amazon about the Republican's "B******i H**x":

Chapter headings:

H**x I: Romney's Statement backfires.

H**x II: "Terrorism" versus "an act of terror"; making a mountain out of a molehill.

H**x III: The attack on Susan Rice; Republicans blow a CIA cover story. WTF!

H**x IV Talking Points; Gen. Petraeus was the sole author.

H**x V: The Republican Investigation - Keystone Kops

H**x VI: Hilary's "f**e" Concussion - with a life-threatening
blood clot.

H**x VII Hilary f**ed her emotions - about the murder of her friends

H**x VIII A Disengaged Administration - Obama should have parachuted in to help.

H**x IX Military Options - Republican Defense Sec. Gates says "Stand Down!"

H**x X The Critical Cable; Hilary signs a damning cable - and every single State Dept. cable that gets sent.

H**x XI Accountability Review Board - Generals didn't convict Hilary.

H**x XII Muzzled - "whistle-blowers" who couldn't whistle.

H**x XIII Left Behind - "No rescue team" – but one of the 4 dead came with a rescue team.

H**x XIV: The "Stand down order" - that never was

H**x XV The Jonathan Karl Scoop - disproved by CIA release of 100 emails

Conclusion: Wing-nuts foaming at the mouth.

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Dec 23, 2013 11:15:04   #
donnerw
 
Sorry, it was the Whitehouse that instigated Sequestration and when the House wanted to pass an amendment to allow the cuts to be placed in non critical areas the Democrats would NOT agree. And it wasn't a matter of funding as they were putting in the electric car recharging post in other other facilities.

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Dec 23, 2013 11:57:49   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
poppabear42 wrote:
No, what is there to do? And if the Republicans don't stop cutting funds for that type program, it is going to be worse the next time.
I feel that you want to blame President Obama, for what happened in B******i, but think about this small fact...If the Republicans had not cut funding for B******i, it is very possible, that if there had been enough of our forces in B******i, those people would still be alive today.
But, as we all know, the Republicans have to fill all those holes in our budget, caused by tax breaks for their rich buddies, and the oil companies, etc.
And that much bigger hole, that was made by Bush, and Cheney, when they stole all of the troops money, and put two wars on our credit cards, and the tax breaks too.
So, if you can't handle the t***h about a situation, it would be a damned good idea, to stop searching.
No, what is there to do? And if the Republicans do... (show quote)


You know it takes 3 branches of government to approve a budget , and any of the three can turn it down send it back or veto it or amend it! So why do you solely blame republicans ?
It's also very likely that , if the present administration had not ordered military to stand down and not send any aid to B******i the results might have been better .
Bush and Chaney's cost of the conflicts were approved by congress before he sent anyone over there to fight and that amount of money pales to what Obama and his administration has added to the Federal debt !
I suppose you blame Obama care on Bush and Cheney also !

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