angery american Loc: Georgia

If all you say here is true. Why was it necessary to lie about the video.? LOCK AND LOAD

MarvinSussman

From all the emails released by the CIA, it was a CIA cover story. The CIA had and probably still has an operation in B******i that it wants to hush up. It was a top secret CIA program to purchase arms from m*****as; possibly to t***sfer them.to favored Syrian rebels.

The ambassador was k**led by the enemy because the CIA underestimated the enemy. The murder did not “cover up” the operation; it exposed the operation.

The only serious question is why do Republicans want to "find the t***h" (uncover a secret CIA operation and blow a CIA cover story)? Do they want to make political hay at the expense of our security? Seems like it.

What are Republicans going to do with the "t***h" when they get it? Fire off a cruise missile? That’s not a job for Congress.

Republicans should have been second-guessing GWB before he went after WMDs in Iraq. Now, that would have been useful.

1OldGeezer

RetNavyCWO,
We know that people in Washinton DC in Obama's cabinet watched the attack unfold in real time. You are now justifying Obama not sending a rescue mission by saying that the administration DID know about the attack even to the extent that Ambassador Stevens was already dead a few hours after the attack began !!!!! (It would be incredible (unbelievable) that people with the authority to order a rescue attempt would not immediately tell Obama about the "event" when the attack first began).

Why didn't the admin attempt a rescue or send help in the two hours prior to the people being overrun?

You have now admitted that you believe Obama knew all about the attack as it was happening and still went to bed, went on a fund raising trip the next day, and then spent the next three weeks, with Susan Rice, lying about the cause of the attack.
I remember afterwards, when Obama told us how outraged he was, and that he would see that the perpetrators were punished. Can you provide a list of those punished ???

It is inconceivable why any thinking person would now try to justify this !!!
1oldgeezer

Liberty Tree

Democrats want the B******i story to go away because they fear the whole t***h. That is why they always want to divert the conversation back to Bush because they do not want the focus on the reality of the true Obama today.

Loki Loc: Georgia

I seem to recall a bunch of Democrats agreeing. But they won't second-guess anyone until it is politically advantageous for them to do so.

Loki Loc: Georgia

I seem to recall a bunch of Democrats agreeing. But they won't second-guess anyone until it is politically advantageous for them to do so.

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

It's just like all the other things the Obama administration has swept under the rug , and gagged people in the know hoping people's memory and call for action will cool down after a year or two!
The are playing the old game " out of sight , out of mind ". There were C.I.A. people just blocks away and they were silenced and even gave new identities and moved to keep them silent .
I'm sure some of them wanted to go to the consul's aid , but were not allowed to .
Also there was calls for more security at B******i months earlier which was refused !

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

the story I heard is the only one that explains it is we have the blind sheikh in prison and obozo want's to free him so he made a deal with alquaida to kidnap the AMB. but all the shooting brought those x seals on the run and the invaders thought they had been double crossed be obozo and k**led the Amb. what else would explain the events as they unfolded

trucksterbud

Just so EVERYONE knows who missed it - there were forces in the area who were able to be there in 45 minutes from the start of the attack - by air. A c-130 gunship and several Cobra attack helicopters were stationed on the OTHER SIDE OF LIBYA but yet the anointed one gave the stand down order. Just so EVERYONE who missed it gets it - the CIA was running guns and money through Libya to Syrian forces and the Libyans didn't like it one bit. Hence the reason for the attack. The slaughter was allowed to silence / k**l off anyone who knew about this, except Hillary. She was protected just as all higher ups in gov were. And that is what has been done at every turn here. Hence the dismissal of Patreaus. Just like Oliver North. North was the kingpin to fall to keep the investigation from going higher up. Patreaus was the kingpin to fall to protect the higher ups.

MarvinSussman

Try to express yourself in plain English. Make a full paragraph with references to the topic. Je ne comprend rien. Ich verstehe nichts, No comprendo. No capisco.

Liberty Tree

You have it right.

MarvinSussman

Why didn’t Republicans investigate Bush’s 13 B******is?

Where was the outrage?

No hay to be made?

Because Bush has a White skin and didn’t need investigating?

Just another day at the Oval Office?

Ho hum!

You started complaining only after Bush’s last “B******i”:

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are k**led.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, k*****g 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are k**led.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, k*****g 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, k*****g two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are k**led.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate k*****g four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are k**led, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school k*****g two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are k**led.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are k**led, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weekswhen the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

There were 13 “B******i” attacks on US embassies and consulates. Twelve of them happened during the Bush administration. Where was the outrage?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/…

Government-shrinking conservatives cut $11B from the State Departments budget.http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-…

In May 2012, Ambassador Steven continued to make requests for additional security. The State Department official replied that, due to other commitments and limited resources, “unfortunately, MSD cannot support the request.”

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/up…

When State robbed Peter to pay Paul, the cons complained that Peter was being whacked. “Why didn’t Obama do something?” Missing $11B! = “other commitments and limited resources”.

The CIA’S problem is that they don’t tell anyone what they are doing. When they call for help, there are no fully-loaded planes ready for take-off. Resources have to be gathered and deployed. Pr********n is the only substitute for time. Help came from Tripoli but not in time.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/d…
Official Pentagon time-line:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/world/africa/libya-b******i-timeline

Foreign Policy published an interesting item from Billy Birdzell, a retired Marine Corps infantry officer and special operations team leader, responding to Fox's secret informant. http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201… His conclusion:

“Even if the CIF was on ready 5 (fully armed, sitting in the aircraft with pilots at the controls) in Sigonella (the closest European base to B******i) with advanced warning of an attack but unsure of the time, and they launched at 2232 on only-in-Hollywood orders from someone other than the president, they would not have been able to do anything about Stevens and Smith's deaths, nor stopped the mortar rounds.”

Mr. Petraeus said the names of groups suspected in the attack — including Al Qaeda’s franchise in North Africa and a local Libyan group, Ansar al-Shariah — were removed from the public explanation of the attack immediately after the assault to avoiding alerting the militants that American intelligence and law enforcement agencies were tracking them. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/world/…

The other problem with the CIA is that they always need a cover story in case their operation is blown. So they OK a story that conceals wh**ever they want to conceal. And everyone on the team goes along with the story. That’s the entire story. End of story.

But if you are a conservative, then it’s a new story and all Obama’s fault. Why was he sleeping on the job? Why did he refuse to act in time to save the ambassador? Why did he lie about what happened. Why doesn’t he let the t***h get out? Etc., etc.

Politicians (and some journalists) get away with that crap because half of all adults have below-average IQ. And only a small fraction of the other half has any military experience. They have a cartoon view of a world in which the President is omniscient and can push a button and counter attacks arrive on time.

The Commander-in-Chief does not direct a platoon. That is done by a lieutenant, far down the line. The C-in-C gets a report concerning one of dozens of simultaneous emergencies. He orders a fix and then turns away to the next emergency in line, expecting to eventually get an update from his next-in-command. It is only in the very rare “K**l Ben Laden” operation that the C-in-C observes the progress. That’s the real world, beyond the comprehension of a conservative.

The naïve view of the conservative is fed by visions of GWB landing on the deck of the Lexington, fresh from the combat zone where he personally directed the defeat of Saddam.

Conservatives live in a cartoon world. The with-hunt won’t work. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article…

Loki Loc: Georgia

Go fuck yourself. With the addition of this sentence; I have just posted two complete sentences, complete with subject, predicate and topic. Have a paragraph. Wait, I forgot, I'm not supposed to say "go fuck yourself." My bad. Go perform an unlikely anatomical excursion on yourself.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Now Marvin, you have to understand that if there was a weapons for Syrian rebels thing going on in B******i before the attack must have been known about by the CIC who is supposed to be above the CIA. Whoops, he never knows about things like that until it becomes "embarrassing" for him to know.

I remember reading, within two weeks, of the B******i incident on one of those conservative blogs about those weapons and why the incident had to happen. It is fun to see someone from your side of the aisle saying the very same thing nearly 1 1/2 years after my source said it.

MarvinSussman

Of course the CIC know about all the operations. He oks them. Why would you ever be in doubt?