slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

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Hungry Freaks

We backed Israel during the Cold War because of the ground assets the newly formed Jewish state had in the USSR. The United States sent in more than 300 agents, parachuted in after intensive training in the Russian language and culture. Not one was ever herd from again.
Israel, with a history of Jewish presence in the USSR, proved an invaluable asset. It was Mossad, not the CIA, that came up with Khrushev's denunciation of Stalin in 1955. How many other tidbits Mossad came up with is unknown, but I'll bet it was a fair number.

But Israel's use as an intelligence asset faded with the end of the Cold War. And, during it's history, has provoked the Arab world with land grabs like Suez, also in 1955.

the Jewish population of Palestine before the Balfour Declaration was less than 600,0000. By the early 1949s, it was three million. The threw Palestinians off the land and threw them out of the country enmass.

Early Z*****ts groups like the Eregun and Stern Gang were terrorist organizations that k**led UN diplomates trying to parse the warfare between the Arabs and Jews, bombed the King David Hotel and slaughtered 270 old men, women and children at Dir Yassen. It can be said that Israel was the first modern nation founded by terrorism by a minority who wanted land that had been occupied for centuries by people of other religions. With international help, they convinced the UN that the western bank of the Jordan River should be given to a Jewish State. Palestinian Arabs boycotted the UN effort and therefor gave up their only chance to present their case to the body that eventually divided the land.

Israel has taken the West Bank andpopulated with Z*****ts who won't give it back. The "two-state" solution is a sham that will never happen.

What I can't quite seem to get through to my Jewish friends is that the creation of Israel by the western powers wasn't a gift-it was a method of achieving the exodus of Jews from Europe and the United States. Rather than a gesture of good will, it was a gesture designed to get the Jews out of Britain, the US and France. We are now paying for that act of anti-Semitism by the western powers. Lord Balfour had the interests of the Jews in heart, but the rest of England didn't-it was illegal to be jewish in England until relatively recently (16th Century.) Anti-Semitism is written into the English language-Dickens and Shakspeare both wrote carictures of Jews into their works.

Israel isn't anything like the US. Much of their civil court system is in the hands of the Orthodox Jewish rabbis. Anyone from any nation who can prove that their mother was Jewish can obtain citizenship upon landing in Israel. It is a land designed for one group-the Jews-and it regularly denies the same rights to those who are not.

the man we bought out house from was a Pioneer of israel, a secular jew who fought in WWII and fought in Israel 1948-49. He said there were villages they bombed (he was a navigators and radioman on a C-47 set up asa bomber) simply for being arab villages. He said the kids who rolled the bombs out of the airplane's doors were young men-15-17 years old, who had grown up in the German camps-he said they were crazy kids who took all kinds of risks and who would no turn back to going back to Europe.

I understand that idea, that the Jews, kicked around for centuries, wanted a place to call home. But why were they given land that belonged to someone who didn't persecute them until Z*****t immigration became an issue in the early 1900s.? During the golden days of Arab-Jewish relations, during the 17th and 18th Centuries, Jews often found refuge from the Spanish Inquisition and other pogems in Europe through Arab states in North Africa. Until the past 50 years, these countries had vibrant Jewish quarters where Jews lived, in terms relative to the rest of the population, general safety.

VladimirPee

We should pay far left Bolsheviks to emigrate to Cuba, N Korea or Venezuela with their " fellow travelers"

Hungry Freaks

Please tell me what a Bloshevik is an give me an example of an American politician who follows Bloshevick principles. A detailed definition of a Bloskevick, please.
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The love it or leave it goes both ways-why doesn't the far right of American politics (there really isn't much of a left remaining- we have the right wing and the far right wing- take to the road and get "our country back" by going to Malaysia, Singapore or some other right-wing mecca? You are a minority voice. Either you recognize the rights of the majority and other minorities who don't agree with you or you hit the road.

You've been playing the Southern Strategy far too long. It's left you and your fellow far right wingers out of the mainstream of American politics. Hence if you don't like it, leave it. ASAP. Please.

VladimirPee

Southern Strategy? What the heck is that? You are actually claiming there is not much of the left remaining? Make some sense son. You are babbling aimlessly.

What do todays Dems have in common with Bolsheviks? Socialism for one. Hatred for the Rich. bourgeoisie has been replaced with 1%ers.

Hungry Freaks

Most Democrats in congress ARE the rich, a group, who , along with Republicans, have exempted themselves from insider trading rules. Only Bernie Sanders of Vermont is close to a true left winger.

I'm not sure how old you are, but there once was a day when the Left was active in US politics. Bill Clinton, with the mainstream Democratic Leadership Council, basically pulled most of the party rightward. And today'sSupreme Court is so far to the right that even Democrat appointments are to the right of true Libertarians like John David Souter.

Again, I asked for some specifics, how are Bolshevism different from, say Trotskyism? Of how does Soviet Marxism diverge fro Chinese C*******m? Clue; it ain't simple socialism.

If you want to talk the talk, you should know what you're talking about.

Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA

Just curious, why do you think the Democrats h**e the rich? Some of my best friends are rich. Me, I'm land rich and money poor at the moment and happy as a clam.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

One thing, even if you are not a teck, you are still a very clever and decent person. I did not mean any harm, you have to remember for whom I worked and what my last degree is......

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Relax, fair lady. :wink: I was just exercising some well deserved, self-deprecating humor! :oops: :roll: :lol:

I, absolutely, took no offence! :mrgreen:

VladimirPee

You have no idea what you are talking about. Bernie Sanders is an admitted Socialist. He was first elected in 1991 . In the 60s or 70s he would have been tarred and feathered. He would NEVER have been elected anywhere in America. JFK despised C*******ts. Obama appointed Van Jones, An admitted c*******t. How about Bill deBlasio the new mayor of NYC? He is so far left even a few years ago he would have NEVER been elected. Todays Supreme Court is far right? They even did Obama's bidding by calling the mandate a TAX which it is NOT. The eminent domain ruling in Kelo vs New London was another left wing disgrace.




The number of Americans openly sympathetic to far left extremists and socialists is far greater than ever before. From Dennis Rodman's ass kissing of N Korea to Sean Penn and other Hollywood notables and Venezuela. Cuban excursions are also up.

Hungry Freaks

I don't get it either. George Soros is something of the devil incarnate to the far right and he's a Democrat. He's also extremely rich. Warren Buffet has championed some Democrat policies and he's rich. Same goes for Bill Gates. The Kennedy family and the Roosevelt families were among the top tier of both the Democrat Party and the wealthiest of the wealthy. Did they loath themselves?

It is all summed up in a reply I received from a far righty some weeks ago."Do you think George W. Bush h**es America the way Obama does? " A serious reply. I don't think either h**es America-I think they both have different ideas on some of the minor details of the status quo, but both are first and foremost cheerleaders for the status quo.

True radicals rarely get elected president and fewer still get a second term. But, for some reason, the far right must question the sanity, morals and/or mental acuity of those with whom they disagree. It is really annoying. Especially when you get folks who don't really know the exact nature of what makes a c*******t, C*******t, Marxist, etc. Hard to have an intelligent conversation when the t***h about our government and political system is so malleable in the hands of a demagogue.

VladimirPee

I agree that the core money comes from Rich Jewish Liberals who manipulate the poor Dems using class warfare.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Why? It's because you're h**eful and a hypocrite, Ginny, and pretend that you're not. I thought you should know wh**ever reason until you understand and care to be less h**eful or you can stay h**eful but stop pretending that you're nice.

I don't understand why or how you're the way you are and shouldn't call you on what apparently you can't help and don't realize about yourself, but I thought perhaps if you got the same h**eful not-understanding listing of your faults that your h**eful not-understanding listing of black faults does that perhaps you would understand that your attitude is wrong. Do you see the parallel? It's kind of funny or at least ironic if you can understand it.

Yes, I'd pay for your prissy h**efulness's emigration to the moon at the equivalent of a mule ($100) and 40 acres ($60,000) current prices (if I had that kind of money). Good grief, lady. Oops, that Dennis's avatar. Gee whiz, lady, can't you see yourself?

You think I'm h**eful? Read the posts of your fellow travelers on OPP if you want to see real h**eful. Read your own h**e posts. Mine are joke h**e by comparison.

Hungry Freaks

As I said, I don't know how old you are and whether you remember the "Southern Strategy" of Richard Nixon. But you also don't seem to know that it has been part of the Republican Party's road to winning national e******ns ever since.

And "the bourgeoise has been replaced with the 1%ers" is truly rich. Capital and labor, my son. Capital and labor.

VladimirPee

Actually the Southern Strategy is a myth. Since Nixon the South v**ed for Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. But the LBJ Great Society Strategy has worked.


" I'll have those ni$$ers v****g Democratic for the next 200 years. [Touting his underlying intentions for the "Great Society" programs, LBJ confided with two like-minded governors on Air Force One]”