Inyourface Loc: East Coast

American,history is little more than propaganda concocted to cover over the real behavior of the Eurotrash that invaded these shores

The" First Thanksgiving myth" is among the most agregious. When England emptied it's debtor,prisons,jails and rounded up religious fanatics and sent them to the "New World" other Europeans and Africans had been here for centuries.

I suggest you read the book,"Lies my Teacher told me" by James W Loewen. Read it before you cripple more youth with this baloney..

Navysnipe Loc: Old West

If I read it, will it make me as bitter as you?

mongo Loc: TEXAS

Yes, and probably suicidal too!

Ve'hoe

Except it didn't quite happen the way you state,,,, interesting if you are only understanding that history now?? I guess my question is,,, what the hell were you doing before?? YOu have to read for yourself,,, but like my people,,,, they had no written language,, so history is predominantly white,,, but we had predations from Mexicans, B****s, and of course other indians

Ironhorse

I guess you prefer the history of the USSR. That's something you can believe in. I suggest you read some Joseph Campbell and his discourses on man and his myths.

rumitoid

Myth? That turkey tasted real and was delicious and great gravy. Try eating at a friend's.

jetson

Guess what, I live here on the coast of N,C. where Walter Raleigh, settle a colony on what is now called Roanoke Island. It is connected by a bridge now. The same last names of the people that were documented on his ship are very prevalent among the people here now. They called this the lost colony. You can talk to any, of the people here that families, that can be trace back several hundreds of years and you find out they will tell you they were never lost. They state they just intermingle with the Indians here. The Indians were friendly here. We still have Tuscoroas, Lumbardees, Cherokes here etc. They had no choice, when Raleigh did not return, with provisions.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

And those "Eurotrash" created the greatest nation on earth and the hope of world civilization. Remarkable history and indeed quite different and more wonderful than the history books tell us. Of course "Lies My Teacher Told Me" itself is trash history, perhaps interesting to read but trash history.

Did you know that the Pilgrims formed their own organized church? Do you know what denomination that is and what denomination branched off from it? The Congregationalists and the Unitarians, perhaps the most "liberal" of all denominations.

If you know old history, perhaps you have heard of Louis XIV's Edict of Nantes that exiled Hugonots (the French Protestants) from France. Did you know the French, like the Brits, quite welcomed their dissidents in their colonies--not quite deportation but anyway they could to get a foot in the new world. You won't find that in the history books and to what extent French Canada and Mississippi settlement involved Hugonots I don't know--just that the son of French Hugonots who lived in exile in Switzerland was one of the earliest fur traders in Wisconsin and Illinois then-wilderness for his maternal uncle fur merchant in Montreal, financed the George Rogers Clark expedition during the American Revolution that won the Northwest (current Midwest), hosted George's brother, first Gov of Louisiana Territory, at his home in St. Louis (had married Catholic sister of French brothers who founded St.L., children raised Catholic but one married Presby daughter of the sergeant who accompanied Nathan Hale on his spy mission during the Revolution & their children were raised Protestant) where American f**g first raised in Territory from front porch balcony, negotiated with his two brothers-in-law the 1804 treaty with the Sauk and Fox Indians that was Jefferson's first instruction to Gov. Clark to get done--whose son did the first American settlement in Wisconsin in 1826/27 & helped get a more fair treaty with the Winnebago Indians in 1829 & who went to Washington in 1835 to request official permission for the Rock River Winnebago band he was sub-agent for that was subject to the 1804 treaty to return across the Mississippi to hunt which was had been the incident for the Blackhawk Fox Indian War in 1832 3 years earlier, died on way home with Supreme Court Chief Justice Taney a deathbed visitor, Indians still 35 and 40 years later coming to and camping at the homestead in southwest Wisconsin (where his son lived who invented the milling process for hard wheat, the basis of the Minneapolis-St.Paul flour mills, largest owner brother of his sister's husband & Wis.'s richest Gov) and the home of daughter in Galena as told by son-in-law presenting portrait of his father-in-law to Wis. Historical Society in 1870s, which son-in-law was Grant's Congressional sponsor in Civil War and political sponsor and campaign manager for Pres. and whose son (grandson & great grandson of precedings) was mayor of Chicago and creator of the 1893 Columbian Exposition--yeah, ordinary and extraordinary people like all Americans & the parts they played in early Midwest history known to me by accident of buying & researching history of the abandoned rock house Henry Gratiot built in 1835 just before going to Washington for his Indian clients. Oh, and he was also visiting his brother, a West Point graduate, later superintendent there, first head of the Corps of Engineers--pretty good achievement for son of French "Eurotrash"-- who, by the way was dismissed from the military in a financial scandal. See, ordinary Eurotrash people for sure after all. A county and a fort in Michigan named after him. Two towns in Wisconsin named after younger brother Henry. Younger brother Jean Bugnion Gratiot married to daughter of a Napoleon minister in exile in New Orleans, pioneer prospector for gold in Southwest a generation before the Gold Rush, though the term "prospector" originated in his and his brother's lead rush Wisconsin settlement in the late 1820s. (If you want to see Henry's rock house, google The Gratiot House site where the new owners post their progress in "restoring" the Gratiot house--very nice people by the way.

My point? America is as extraordinary as these people. It is also as ordinary and everyday as these people, and that is what makes America great. We cannot emphasize enough that John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Barack Hussein Obama, Albert Einstein, Warren Buffet, Joan and Ray Kroc and any other American we spotlight are just ordinary people in America, the product of Irish, African, and Euro miscellaneous trash accidentally thrown into the new world where there was space to become American, Irish American, African American, native American, Mexican American, Italian American, and all the other extraordinary ordinary American varieties we are together. Wish I could post Frances Brundage's c.1893 Columbian Expo image of America (don't have copier)--five smiling girls holding hands or arms around shoulders...pugnacious Irish girl in rags left hand on hip, holding hand of black girl also in rags, whose other hand is held by white girl in fine clothes with arm around shoulder of dignified Asian girl in Kimono with somewhat sad looking native American girl standing beside her. This was the image chosen by a Cincinnati merchant 120 years ago to hand out as his Christmas greeting to customers. That was Frances Brundage's vision of America then with all its parts of equal worth despite differences in appearance and social status and it is still the vision of America that is the example to the world and the hope of future civilization for mankind.

Now I realize you extremists of left and right and wingnuts-all (parallels to the historical and hysterical Know Nothings) are also part of the American pie (the rotten apple part), but please stop making all these ugly faces at the camera...it doesn't make a pretty picture. You, too, inyourface, put down that hand with clenched fist and middle finger up. If you wish, all of you mischievous brats, we can make a separate cute picture of all the naughty face-making American children to put in the national picture album, but please behave for the official national picture for the history books.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

I forgot to add, the Gratiot family history is not French Eurotrash myth.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

It is sad when I see things like this. People who have lost their p***e, people who are bitter, people who want to tarnish the last remnants of history. In this day and age, if you do not like what is written as history, simply take to your computer and rewrite it. It is simple, disregard what the history books tell, after all we all know that none of the original settlers are here to be asked, so write what you want. My family first came to these shores in 1669 and I have their diaries. Those accounts are quite different than what you find in the new and improved history books such as the one you recommend. My forefathers were not "debtor, prisons, jails and rounded up religious fanatics" they were simple people looking for a better way of life. Many people came here in the same way as my forefathers; honest people, people with p***e, dignity, and respect for each other and the land they came to call home.

Remember when you group all people together and label them, then you become no better than those who say that b****s are lazy thieves who lay around looking for their next welfare check, or those who say find an Indian and you can find a drunk, or.....I think you get the idea. Yes, there are very dark and horrible people that came to the "New World" along side of those who came for freedom. As there are very dark and horrible people that roamed Africa looking to kidnap their own kind and sell them to s***ery, and least we forget the "native American" who would toss the wives out of tribes when their husbands were k**led. And our Mexicans who participated in cannibalism. Yes. Horrible people lived and born in their place were replacements that are just as horrible. But, I am thankful that there are more good people in this world than those poor reached souls. Let us not forget, the people who settled in what is now the United States has built a nation that is generous of heart, tolerant of differences, and have done more than any other nation to improve the plight of mankind.

My recommendation, take you new and improved history books, pack your suitcase and head to someplace that you can form a sense of belonging, p***e in association, and love for the land.

Ghost Loc: The 1st state to ever secede

Revisionist history is propaganda. Read those old books unless you think those are propaganda as well.

Your l*****t mindfucks are all the same. HIVE MINDED. You say you think different I say all of you are collectively being dooped and don't know it.

You poor bastards.

Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA

Twenty thousand gold stars for you -- I think you need to be cloned -- what a breath of fresh air!!

Loki Loc: Georgia

Why are you confusing him with reality? (Not to mention big words spelled properly?).

Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA

Well, I wouldn't jump to conclusions as to which side he's on, because I consider myself part of the left and I don't agree with him on this issue. However, lumping all of us together as "mindfucks" is not exactly a way of endearing yourself and your message to others.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Ghost and a sizable part of the extremist right who post on OPP use this kind of language all the time. Bathroom talk is apparently a thing with them--almost a stereotype for them. ha. Don't expect much better from the venters. I should talk--I constantly refer to their paranoia, conspiracy fantasies, and call them "rightwingnuts"--not exactly nice. Now, "filthy-minded" is a term that can fairly be applied to Ghost and one or two others and I'm sure they wouldn't mind. That's just how they are. Wouldn't you like to have them for neighbors? na.