Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

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Inyourface Loc: East Coast

Saying r****m in not THE issue in America makes you ill,informed or a LIAR.

206Guy

I agree that race is an issue in this country. However, the main reason that it is such a big issue is because of race hustlers like you making it so. Some things are not about race but you and others like you scream race anyway. I guess that it is the only thing you are smart enough to say. Work on that and maybe we can hear something intelligent out of you some day. By the way, this post of yours that I quoted is a perfect example of what I am trying to say. You called me a liar (all caps to boot) for saying that r****m isn't the issue in the country. But I didn't say that. I said that some things aren't about race. Your reaction to everything is name calling and of course r****m.

bluejacket

I am in general agreement with you race is an issue in our country and the use of over the top rhetoric is useless at best , logic, t***h and civility are three things that should be paramount in the discussion

rumitoid

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rumitoid

I admitted that I was wrong in believing I could comment on political matters and someone remain above the fray. Most of what I post is about ending the entrenched d******eness that I feel is choking the life out of this country by being at each others' throats all the time, or what I felt was non-partisan.

My comments about various topics were not politically motivated but what I felt were spiritual principles, my posts falling on either side of the aisle as many here define these opinions based on party or a conservative or liberal label. That I do not agree with such labeling and find that part of the problem I mistakenly felt my involvement was apolitical.

An example: I am against the death penalty because I believe it is wrong according to the teachings of Christ. Yet anytime I have entered into a debate over this issue I get attacked by some on the Right and treated like a hero by some on the Left. That I see this subject as outside the realm of politics does not make it so. The same is true on the topic of guns, which I boil down to a question of violence and others see as a matter of rights.

Inyourface Loc: East Coast

Fool ,your denal about being a virulent r****t is not going to cut it. You spew r****t ,invectives and lies and you don't have the gonads to be what you are.

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

Which considered all together means you, no more or less than I, cannot keep your religious convictions out of your politics or any government you are involved in.

I would suggest that a society should be just. And Christ does not teach justice, except in extension beyond justice unto mercy. American society is not Christian. You seek to force mercy in society that doesn't understand justice. If we remove justice from society, we will never have a merciful society, but only an unjust society.

Justice is from God. It is the reason for hell. Mercy is beyond justice, and cannot exist without justice.

Both of your examples, I think, seek to make laws merciful; rather than, and opposed to, being just.

rumitoid

It may sound as if I want to "force" mercy but that is not my intent nor is such a thing possible.

Justice, in the New Covenant sense, is restorative, not retributive. It is about the mercy of forgiveness to find closure, not punishment. What Christ was asking for, in my eyes, is not to seek justice for ourselves in any way, actually give up any claim to having rights or expectations of respect, but justice for others, in the restorative sense.

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

No. The New Covenant is a covenant, an agreement. The agreement is we agree that Christ kept the law, we broke, and his death is the justice we deserve. No one is forced to accept this covenant. On the judgment day, under this covenant Christ stands in our place, his life, not ours to be examined for sin, those lives not under this covenant will place their own life under examination and judgment.

In that this is the judgment to be feared, (Christ tells his disciples, "Fear not those who can k**l the body, but fear him who k**ls both body and soul in hell.") our purpose is to bring the gospel of this covenant to all people. Does removing temporal justice from society lend toward people perceiving their imminent doom or thwart it?

I think, a Christian can show mercy, not by removing just laws, but by not seeking justice of the law. If the laws remain those in society, who are not merciful, may seek justice through them. If we remove the law, we remove justice from these unmerciful people. Is that your goal?

rumitoid

You keep using the word "forced" and I did not say anything about being "forced." I never said remove laws from society; I spoke of only Christians. And of course a covenant is an agreement, what else would it be. You are reading into what I said and making a strawman to argue against.

Inyourface Loc: East Coast

NEWS FLASH: FAT,GEORGY ZIMMERMAN PULLS GUN ON OVERWEIGHT,ESTRANGED ,WIFE. Was he on patrol and just standing his ground again? You white folks talk it over and let me know.

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

The justice of the death penalty is justice. If you remove the penalty of life forfeited for the life taken, is that justice? If your laws prohibit protecting oneself and family from harmful intents, where is their ability to render justice?

How can I, a Christian, oppose justice in society?

rumitoid

I am speaking of New Covenant justice, not societal justice. Where are you getting this stuff about removing laws about justice or putting laws on the books to prohibit self-defense? I did not say or hint of anything of the kind.

There is a very clear and huge difference between worldly law and what the New Covenant advises us. Read Mt5:38 about "an eye for an eye" (life forfeited for life) and all of Matthew Five for the differences between worldly concepts of law/justice and those of Christ.

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

You and I live a society. That society makes laws for its members to abide by or penalize for not abiding by. Our society's laws must be just for everyone in our society. The death penalty, gun control, welfare, etc. are not laws enacted by Christians under the covenant, but by our society. Christ tells us there are "tares amongst the wheat," he chose his disciples and "one was a devil." We will, until judgment day, live in a society filled with those not of the covenant. Even among "Christians" we don't know which are under the covenant and which are not, so our laws must be made for justice. So those not under covenant may have justice.

I don't have the right to grant mercy to those who have not sinned against me. I can't forgive them.