The only problem with this paranoid model of thinking is that anybody who does not agree with you is the "enemy" and must be destroyed. I agree with you that passion is a good and positive force but acting out a misplaced passion about the moral rectitude of your position to the point of exterminating a whole class of people (ie. "Liberals) from the face of the planet, as some have advocated on this site puts you in the hallowed company of Hitler, Stalin, Hussein, Pol Pot etc. With regard to the latter, I went to Cambodia after the fall of the Khmer Rouge and visited an old school that had been made into a Detention Center that tortured and k**led thousands of men, women and their children. Their "crime"? They were educated (the liberal
intellectual class of their culture at that time) and anybody with an educational level above high school was suspect. (An estimated 4 million people died in this atrocity.) This dystopian hell was begun with a catchcry of your neighbor is your enemy. We see some of this same mentality at work in some of these posts.
If we are all americans then we are all neighbors. Diverse perhaps but in the end we are not enemies.

Well the death panel is sort of defunct. But it exists in the cost control panel. If the costs are determined to be too high, they will set the amount a doctor and hospital can charge. From there it will be up to the doctor and hospital to accept you or decide that they will not work that cheaply. Working and supplying services at a loss just simply will not keep a hospital open long. I've read where a lot of doctors will leave their chosen profession if the ACA goes into affect. Too much paper work, too many controls, and too little money. Doctors all have office help expenses also the need coverage. Those expenses will increase under ACA. That winds up being your death panel though it does not exist as an entity in the ACA text.

Well the death panel is sort of defunct. But it exists in the cost control panel. If the costs are determined to be too high, they will set the amount a doctor and hospital can charge. From there it will be up to the doctor and hospital to accept you or decide that they will not work that cheaply. Working and supplying services at a loss just simply will not keep a hospital open long. I've read where a lot of doctors will leave their chosen profession if the ACA goes into affect. Too much paper work, too many controls, and too little money. Doctors all have office help expenses also the need coverage. Those expenses will increase under ACA. That winds up being your death panel though it does not exist as an entity in the ACA text.

There are a number of lies about Obama that get stated here and are repeated over and over again as if they are well-known and proven facts. Not that the people here are lying; they are simply and unknowingly passing along lies from others on the Right. These lies are so entrenched that any attempt to dispel them through fact-checkers or other sources brings immediate and often heated responses not just defending the lies but attacking the messenger. It is an understandable response. In attempting to debunk one of these Lies, such as the Death Panel myth, the commonly accepted nature of it as t***h plus being first heard and then repeated by people that are trusted and share the same ideology makes the debunking an assault on friends, family, and party...and one's own integrity. The person that would dare do such a thing must be...well you know all the insults and names.

Ginnyt nailed it with this line in one of her responses (Page 16 in the thread “The differences between Democrats and Republicans, by Ve'hoe.):
“The situation is exasperated when we find others who share similar biases. If the situation is left unchallenged for a prolonged time, our biases no longer appear in our mind as a collective notion or random facts that are tainted with half-t***hs and sometimes outright lies laced with enough historical t***h to make it plausible, but become crystallized and are then viewed as undeniable t***hs.”

Death Panels have become for many one of those “undeniable t***hs.” It is lie that was first uttered by Sarah Palin and immediately repeated by O' Reilly, Hannity, and Limbugh shortly there after and then by most every Republican thereafter. But here on the facts.

"Palin specified that she was referring to Section 1233 of bill HR 3200 which would have paid physicians for providing voluntary counseling to Medicare patients about living wills, advance directives, and end-of-life care options.

"Legislation providing for counseling patients on advance directives, living wills and end-of-life care had been on the books for years, however, the laws did not provide for physicians to be reimbursed for giving such counseling during routine physical exams of the elderly. The Patient Self-Determination Act (1991) requires health care providers, including hospitals, hospices and nursing homes to provide information about advance directives to admitted patients.[29][30] The Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act began providing reimbursements for end-of-life care discussions with terminally ill patients in 2003.[31]

"A bill to provide for reimbursement every five years for office visit discussions with Medicare patients on advance directives, living wills, and other end of life care issues was proposed by Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-OR) in April 2009—with Republican cosponsors Charles Boustany (R-LA), a cardiovascular surgeon, Patrick Tiberi (R-OH), and Geoff Davis (R-KY).[32][33][34] The counseling was to be voluntary and could be reimbursed more often if a grave illness occurred. The legislation had been encouraged by Gundersen Lutheran and a loose coalition of other hospitals in La Crosse, Wisconsin that had had positive experiences with the widespread use of advance directives.[32][33][35][36] Blumenauer's standalone bill was tabled and inserted into the large health care reform bill, HR 3200 as Section 1233 shortly afterward.[32][37][38] Supporters of the Section 1233 counseling provision included the American Medical Association (AMA), AARP, the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization, and Consumers Union; the National Right to Life Committee opposed "the provision as written."[39] It was removed from the Senate version of the bill due to the death panel controversy[40] and was not included in the reconciled and final bill which became law in March 2010 and which is known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.[13]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel

"The myth is also likely to persist because the law calls for the establishment of a 15 person committee– the independent payment advisory board (or IPAB)–which is given the job of recommending cost-saving measures to the Secretary of Health and Human Services if Medicare expenses rise too quickly. The IPAB will consist of independent healthcare experts who are forbidden, by law, from proposing changes that will affect Medicare coverage or quality. In other words, they are a far cry from a death panel, with the ACA specifically noting that this group is not allowed to do anything that would “ration” healthcare. The law also makes sure that the IPAB is not in a position to make policy, but instead to simply make recommendations to the Secretary of Health and Human Services, proposals that Congress is specifically empowered to override if it sees fit.

"Fact-checking backfires among people who have enough basic knowledge of politics to resist evidence that contradicts their beliefs! It is difficult for people to see the world clearly, when their vision is biased by their pre-existing attitudes. As I have shown in earlier research, we all—liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans–see the world through partisan eyes." http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterubel/2013/01/09/why-it-is-so-difficult-to-k**l-the-death-panel-myth/

You can read more here:
http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/08/13/conservative-media-death-panels-lie-returns-in/195381

And for those of you who do not trust or use factcheckers, this is an interesting read:
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-01-death-panel-myth-backfire.html

Well the death panel is sort of defunct. But it exists in the cost control panel. If the costs are determined to be too high, they will set the amount a doctor and hospital can charge. From there it will be up to the doctor and hospital to accept you or decide that they will not work that cheaply. Working and supplying services at a loss just simply will not keep a hospital open long. I've read where a lot of doctors will leave their chosen profession if the ACA goes into affect. Too much paper work, too many controls, and too little money. Doctors all have office help expenses also the need coverage. Those expenses will increase under ACA. That winds up being your death panel though it does not exist as an entity in the ACA text.

There are a number of lies about Obama that get stated here and are repeated over and over again as if they are well-known and proven facts. Not that the people here are lying; they are simply and unknowingly passing along lies from others on the Right. These lies are so entrenched that any attempt to dispel them through fact-checkers or other sources brings immediate and often heated responses not just defending the lies but attacking the messenger. It is an understandable response. In attempting to debunk one of these Lies, such as the Death Panel myth, the commonly accepted nature of it as t***h plus being first heard and then repeated by people that are trusted and share the same ideology makes the debunking an assault on friends, family, and party...and one's own integrity. The person that would dare do such a thing must be...well you know all the insults and names.

Ginnyt nailed it with this line in one of her responses (Page 16 in the thread “The differences between Democrats and Republicans, by Ve'hoe.):
“The situation is exasperated when we find others who share similar biases. If the situation is left unchallenged for a prolonged time, our biases no longer appear in our mind as a collective notion or random facts that are tainted with half-t***hs and sometimes outright lies laced with enough historical t***h to make it plausible, but become crystallized and are then viewed as undeniable t***hs.”

Death Panels have become for many one of those “undeniable t***hs.” It is lie that was first uttered by Sarah Palin and immediately repeated by O' Reilly, Hannity, and Limbugh shortly there after and then by most every Republican thereafter. But here on the facts.

"Palin specified that she was referring to Section 1233 of bill HR 3200 which would have paid physicians for providing voluntary counseling to Medicare patients about living wills, advance directives, and end-of-life care options.

"Legislation providing for counseling patients on advance directives, living wills and end-of-life care had been on the books for years, however, the laws did not provide for physicians to be reimbursed for giving such counseling during routine physical exams of the elderly. The Patient Self-Determination Act (1991) requires health care providers, including hospitals, hospices and nursing homes to provide information about advance directives to admitted patients.[29][30] The Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act began providing reimbursements for end-of-life care discussions with terminally ill patients in 2003.[31]

"A bill to provide for reimbursement every five years for office visit discussions with Medicare patients on advance directives, living wills, and other end of life care issues was proposed by Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-OR) in April 2009—with Republican cosponsors Charles Boustany (R-LA), a cardiovascular surgeon, Patrick Tiberi (R-OH), and Geoff Davis (R-KY).[32][33][34] The counseling was to be voluntary and could be reimbursed more often if a grave illness occurred. The legislation had been encouraged by Gundersen Lutheran and a loose coalition of other hospitals in La Crosse, Wisconsin that had had positive experiences with the widespread use of advance directives.[32][33][35][36] Blumenauer's standalone bill was tabled and inserted into the large health care reform bill, HR 3200 as Section 1233 shortly afterward.[32][37][38] Supporters of the Section 1233 counseling provision included the American Medical Association (AMA), AARP, the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization, and Consumers Union; the National Right to Life Committee opposed "the provision as written."[39] It was removed from the Senate version of the bill due to the death panel controversy[40] and was not included in the reconciled and final bill which became law in March 2010 and which is known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.[13]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel

"The myth is also likely to persist because the law calls for the establishment of a 15 person committee– the independent payment advisory board (or IPAB)–which is given the job of recommending cost-saving measures to the Secretary of Health and Human Services if Medicare expenses rise too quickly. The IPAB will consist of independent healthcare experts who are forbidden, by law, from proposing changes that will affect Medicare coverage or quality. In other words, they are a far cry from a death panel, with the ACA specifically noting that this group is not allowed to do anything that would “ration” healthcare. The law also makes sure that the IPAB is not in a position to make policy, but instead to simply make recommendations to the Secretary of Health and Human Services, proposals that Congress is specifically empowered to override if it sees fit.

"Fact-checking backfires among people who have enough basic knowledge of politics to resist evidence that contradicts their beliefs! It is difficult for people to see the world clearly, when their vision is biased by their pre-existing attitudes. As I have shown in earlier research, we all—liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans–see the world through partisan eyes." http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterubel/2013/01/09/why-it-is-so-difficult-to-k**l-the-death-panel-myth/

You can read more here:
http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/08/13/conservative-media-death-panels-lie-returns-in/195381

And for those of you who do not trust or use factcheckers, this is an interesting read:
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-01-death-panel-myth-backfire.html