Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State

Its you liberal blood suckers that depend on the government.

bluejacket

I concur , the debate usually degrades to the point of vicious name calling

bluejacket

Rumi is probably one of the most reasonable and articulate of people who post here , and there never was a so-called death panel , I do know why you have such a poisoned view of the affordable care act

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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I do hope you understand that being "reasonable and articulate" says NOTHING about being right, being t***hful, being honest, behaving legally, being moral, being American, being a patriot.

I hope you understand that people who are passionate about their nation, their homes, they don't want them threatened and when reason does no good, then the passion kicks in, thank God! Without passion, you'd be living in a pretty lame world as dull as dishwater. I am passionate about liberty and don't particularly care for people who are not as passionate as I am - I cannot trust them, SHOULD NOT TRUST THEM. They may be trustworthy, but I have no way of knowing that, do I?

Almost everyone I know, including myself, ALWAYS tries reason first. When reason doesn't work, it's time to try something else. You can see how much result Rummy has gotten with his "reason and ability to talk". Zero. Same as the rest of us get when arguing with the enemy.

bluejacket

we are not the enemy we are just as passionate as you are about our country and we believe the ACA is good for the country, that is still no excuse for poisoned invective

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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No invectives here. But if you want "dialogue", I must hear some things from you and the guy you are backing, things like how much do you respect the US Constitution, and how far can it be ripped before it is totally destroyed? I need to know what you consider as LIBERTY? I need to know how you view going around the constitutional processes rather than following them. I need to know how you see justice in this country - as well and hardy or practically nil.

These things are not important to me. These things are PARAMOUNT with me. I don't "appreciate" our freedoms, I am passionate about our freedoms. I don't think the US Constitution "has its place" - I think it is the place.

Knowing facts is wonderful, and I like to think I know quite a few facts, and I include politics in those facts. I've followed it religiously since 1962, have actively participated in it, was an elected official. But knowing facts and maintaining them as facts is one thing. Having passion for those facts is not always as important for some people - and those are the people who get the governance of any entity in trouble, and those are the people I argue with. They are a danger to the entire population.

bluejacket

Our constitution probably the most unique Document ever created and if you doubt that look at the times it has been copied (imitation is a show of flattery) , but the constitution only enumerates the rights we have the people who have allegiance to that document are the guarantors of it's content , and if we the people fail in that , then we all fail

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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Absolutely true. And it is imperative we remember those are inalienable rights, not conferred by some bureaucrat or some politician. If we give them up, if we allow them to be stolen, we are worse than nothing.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

If you are over 75 and a panel of nonmedical people decide you are no longer useful you will not get the t***splant

bluejacket

kindly show me where in the ACA , that it states that, or anything like that

eden

The only problem with this paranoid model of thinking is that anybody who does not agree with you is the "enemy" and must be destroyed. I agree with you that passion is a good and positive force but acting out a misplaced passion about the moral rectitude of your position to the point of exterminating a whole class of people (ie. "Liberals) from the face of the planet, as some have advocated on this site puts you in the hallowed company of Hitler, Stalin, Hussein, Pol Pot etc. With regard to the latter, I went to Cambodia after the fall of the Khmer Rouge and visited an old school that had been made into a Detention Center that tortured and k**led thousands of men, women and their children. Their "crime"? They were educated (the liberal
intellectual class of their culture at that time) and anybody with an educational level above high school was suspect. (An estimated 4 million people died in this atrocity.) This dystopian hell was begun with a catchcry of your neighbor is your enemy. We see some of this same mentality at work in some of these posts.
If we are all americans then we are all neighbors. Diverse perhaps but in the end we are not enemies.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

read it yourself

bluejacket

I have and it isn't in there in any form

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

none are so blind as those that will not see

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Key word there, 'NONmedical', appointments, not v**ed in to the job will be the deciding factor over your LIFE, democratic or republican.