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Sep 8, 2013 21:23:44   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
As I said call it wh**ever you want but then you see people lose access to services and/or drugs that I been recommended by a doctor because of this law. 83 year old man, never smoked and had a hard time breathing. Here's too hoping many liberals find themselves this way some day.


DennisDee wrote:
Here is Uber Liberal Paul Krugman now basically admitting death panels exist so he defends their use.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/10/death-panels-and-the-apparatchik-mindset/?_r=0

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Sep 9, 2013 00:15:16   #
Artemis
 
donc711 wrote:
Interesting prognosis on Obama Care. Did you read the whole thing cover to cover? It does set up a committee to watch over the expenses, doesn't it? This same committee sets the amounts that can be charged by doctors. It also sets the wages for doctors. Many doctors plan on quitting practice when the ACA has fully kicked in. That will create a shortage of doctors. Then with this shortage of doctors and only those willing to work for less there will be long lines of people waiting for medical care. With more sick than available doctors there will have to be some sort of priority system in place. this committee will have to be tasked to establish the priorities of establish a priority panel to set those priorities. Ever lived in Canada? Or the UK? They have socialized medicine and long lines. The patients are served on a priority basis. If you have an emanate life threatening condition you will be seen almost right away. That's the death squad that is talked about. I have read the ACA cover to cover. I have read about the committee that will be in charge of the expenditures and their duties. Never mind the internet sites that explain it all in understandable language as they are confusing. But this ACA is even more confusing, expensive, and not workable except as socialized medicine with all its faults. The medical profession was not broken, had a few flaws that would have been nice to correct instead of reinventing the wheel.
Interesting prognosis on Obama Care. Did you read ... (show quote)


It was my understanding with the speeches made by president Obama on the ACA,that if you had your own health insurance,and served you satisfactorily,you kept it. The ACA helped those that could not afford medical insurance. You don't have to fear Doctors leaving their practice, what else are they going to do,be on the beck-n-call of a superstar or some other one percenter .

The ACA is attempting to make insurance companies more competitive, by allowing people to buy outside of their own state. Having lived in several states, insurance companies give some states better deals than others. This is a really good news for the freedom loving capitalist, you guys should be happy, but instead your listening to the bogus propaganda, and being all pissed off. The insurance companies are very upset because they've had a very sweet deal for a long time; making money by finding ways to turn down claims, taking peoples money and giving nothing in return. I once had a company that had a sheet of 99 reasons why they didn't pay a claim, I remember thinking " why not an even 100? Not to mention that now people with a prediagnosis condition can now get insurance also.

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Sep 9, 2013 00:27:20   #
BoJester
 
Excellent points, but I doubt that the deniers and liars will be able to accept your information



maelstrom wrote:
It was my understanding with the speeches made by president Obama on the ACA,that if you had your own health insurance,and served you satisfactorily,you kept it. The ACA helped those that could not afford medical insurance. You don't have to fear Doctors leaving their practice, what else are they going to do,be on the beck-n-call of a superstar or some other one percenter .

The ACA is attempting to make insurance companies more competitive, by allowing people to buy outside of their own state. Having lived in several states, insurance companies give some states better deals than others. This is a really good news for the freedom loving capitalist, you guys should be happy, but instead your listening to the bogus propaganda, and being all pissed off. The insurance companies are very upset because they've had a very sweet deal for a long time; making money by finding ways to turn down claims, taking peoples money and giving nothing in return. I once had a company that had a sheet of 99 reasons why they didn't pay a claim, I remember thinking " why not an even 100? Not to mention that now people with a prediagnosis condition can now get insurance also.
It was my understanding with the speeches made by ... (show quote)

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Sep 9, 2013 00:44:18   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Have you ever seen the Federal Gov't where costs go down?

You can buy auto insurance in any state but this 26 state exchanges is not state to state. Say you live in NY and there's a better deal in Texas, you can't buy it, that's not your exchange.

If it's not a power grab then why are there 20 some taxes attached to it. One tax is bio-fuel, what's that all about?

Have doubts, talk to your doctor, ask them what they think after all it's your health.


maelstrom wrote:
It was my understanding with the speeches made by president Obama on the ACA,that if you had your own health insurance,and served you satisfactorily,you kept it. The ACA helped those that could not afford medical insurance. You don't have to fear Doctors leaving their practice, what else are they going to do,be on the beck-n-call of a superstar or some other one percenter .

The ACA is attempting to make insurance companies more competitive, by allowing people to buy outside of their own state. Having lived in several states, insurance companies give some states better deals than others. This is a really good news for the freedom loving capitalist, you guys should be happy, but instead your listening to the bogus propaganda, and being all pissed off. The insurance companies are very upset because they've had a very sweet deal for a long time; making money by finding ways to turn down claims, taking peoples money and giving nothing in return. I once had a company that had a sheet of 99 reasons why they didn't pay a claim, I remember thinking " why not an even 100? Not to mention that now people with a prediagnosis condition can now get insurance also.
It was my understanding with the speeches made by ... (show quote)

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Sep 10, 2013 19:06:43   #
Artemis
 
bmac32 wrote:
Have you ever seen the Federal Gov't where costs go down?

You can buy auto insurance in any state but this 26 state exchanges is not state to state. Say you live in NY and there's a better deal in Texas, you can't buy it, that's not your exchange.

If it's not a power grab then why are there 20 some taxes attached to it. One tax is bio-fuel, what's that all about?

Have doubts, talk to your doctor, ask them what they think after all it's your health.


Many doctors are on the pharmaceutical investment gravy train, I wouldn't ask them. That is part of the, for profit health care system we've been on.

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Sep 10, 2013 21:39:10   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
I doubt very much she's on it seeing how she accepts no sample or adds plastered on the walls.


maelstrom wrote:
Many doctors are on the pharmaceutical investment gravy train, I wouldn't ask them. That is part of the, for profit health care system we've been on.

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Sep 15, 2013 08:26:22   #
Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State
 
BoJester wrote:
Don't you take responsiblity for your own healthcare? If you carry your own insurance, that won't be a problem, unless your insurance company denies you coverage, which they do now. Conservatives are always crying about personal responsibility, so don't depend on the government.


We dont. Its you liberals that are sucking the governments teat.

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Sep 15, 2013 13:55:05   #
eden
 
Nuclearian wrote:
Its you liberal blood suckers that depend on the government.


oh wait...but the big corporation bloodsuckers who have all the political power
(money) who buy the laws they want through lobbyists, who slant the tax code to favor and subsidize their massive cash cow operations (ie. GE) are NOT dependent on the government?

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Sep 15, 2013 13:57:30   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
eden wrote:
oh wait...but the big corporation bloodsuckers who have all the political power
(money) who buy the laws they want through lobbyists, who slant the tax code to favor and subsidize their massive cash cow operations (ie. GE) are NOT dependent on the government?


GE=liberal, so what's your point

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Sep 15, 2013 14:04:08   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Oh wait, GE paid zero taxes on 108 billion overseas.


eden wrote:
oh wait...but the big corporation bloodsuckers who have all the political power
(money) who buy the laws they want through lobbyists, who slant the tax code to favor and subsidize their massive cash cow operations (ie. GE) are NOT dependent on the government?

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Sep 15, 2013 14:33:57   #
eden
 
Tasine wrote:
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There is such a thing as paranoia. Your assumption that some of us are paranoid is insulting to us - and does you no good either because it implies that only YOU know paranoia from t***h, and that is patently silly. There also exists knowledge, logic, and reason. Any situation can be classified as either paranoia OR alertness and pr********n. Alertness and pr********n DO NOT constitute paranoia. Neither does warning their "neighbors" who would rather live in ignorance. People who are paranoid see enemies where there are none. Alert and knowledgeable people see enemies where there are enemies. What you see as paranoia is NOT paranoia when circumstances, history, lessons learned, are historical markers have proven otherwise.

One cannot accept loss of freedoms, loss of privacy, loss of free speech, loss of freedom of religion and logically call themselves free. What in Heaven's name do they think their freedoms ARE? How much snatching of freedom becomes too much for the person who cannot see what is plainly before his eyes? There are people in this world, primarily those without principles, who cannot bring themselves to believe something exists is they are determined it does not exist. Those are the people who have a hard time surviving the greatest hardships. When we yell at them that their clothing is on fire, they in turn, rather than check to make sure we are wrong, instantly deny their clothing is on fire because they don't yet see it or feel it. What happens when it burns too long.

BTW, do you see Obama through the same eyes as you see Conservatives? Paranoid, r****t, filled with phobias, accusations flying about far worse than any you have read on this site??? When you see him and the DNC in the same vein, (actually MUCH worse), get back with me.

HE, NOT WE, have placed former military members on the possible terrorist list. HE, NOT WE, have placed the polite and clean TEA Party on the same list. HE, NOT WE, have placed bloggers on that list because we criticize him. HE, NOT WE, are spying on us.......none of us spies on him. Who, exactly, is PARANOID?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ br There is such a thing as par... (show quote)


"Paranoia: A psychotic disorder characterized by delusions of persecution with or without grandeur, often strenuously defended with apparent logic and reason".
I am not licensed to make psychiatric evaluations, I merely pointed out that indulging in a paranoid model of thinking (see above) leads us into chaos, anarchy and flimsy justifications for mob rule mentality towards our neighbors.

I am no supporter of Obama but "paranoid, r****t, full of phobias"? Sounds more like you based on your rant above.
Let me give you a definition of r****m. We all have prejudice based on upbringing, cultural conditioning, religion etc. but it does not become r****m until we put our prejudice into practice. If I deny employment to someone strictly because of race then that is r****m. I am using my power as an employer to practice my prejudice.

Lastly ...."polite and clean tea party"? That's a bit of a stretch. I have mingled with some of these folks and all too often they openly refer to the President as "that f*****g' n****r in the white house". I find myself in agreement with some of their ideas about excessive government and taxation but I cannot associate with such h**eful gibberish.

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Sep 15, 2013 14:45:52   #
eden
 
alex wrote:
GE=liberal, so what's your point


Liberal schmiberal. I could have quoted Archer Daniels Midland, the massive agribusiness conglomerate that has benefitted immensely from farm subsidies that supports conservative candidates. I make no distinction which way they play the political game, the rot travels across party lines.

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Sep 15, 2013 14:47:20   #
eden
 
bmac32 wrote:
Oh wait, GE paid zero taxes on 108 billion overseas.


Thank you. My point exactly.

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Sep 15, 2013 15:24:22   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
eden wrote:
"Paranoia: A psychotic disorder characterized by delusions of persecution with or without grandeur, often strenuously defended with apparent logic and reason".
I am not licensed to make psychiatric evaluations, I merely pointed out that indulging in a paranoid model of thinking (see above) leads us into chaos, anarchy and flimsy justifications for mob rule mentality towards our neighbors.

I am no supporter of Obama but "paranoid, r****t, full of phobias"? Sounds more like you based on your rant above.
Let me give you a definition of r****m. We all have prejudice based on upbringing, cultural conditioning, religion etc. but it does not become r****m until we put our prejudice into practice. If I deny employment to someone strictly because of race then that is r****m. I am using my power as an employer to practice my prejudice.

Lastly ...."polite and clean tea party"? That's a bit of a stretch. I have mingled with some of these folks and all too often they openly refer to the President as "that f*****g' n****r in the white house". I find myself in agreement with some of their ideas about excessive government and taxation but I cannot associate with such h**eful gibberish.
"Paranoia: A psychotic disorder characterized... (show quote)

lastly-- if what you claim was true the liberal MSM would have reported it with two inch headlines but they didn't take from that what you will

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Sep 15, 2013 16:00:43   #
VladimirPee
 
Howard Dean finally admits to death panels

One major problem is the so-called Independent Payment Advisory Board. The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for Medicare and determining which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them.

alex wrote:
lastly-- if what you claim was true the liberal MSM would have reported it with two inch headlines but they didn't take from that what you will

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