God vs EVILution.... #4 (Page 3): My purpose is to the future of my family and humanity. And because I only exist for the time I am here every second of my life matters whereas the...

PeterS

bdamage wrote:

Then tell me....what is your purpose for existing at all?

Why have any laws? Who needs laws when we have no purpose?

If life doesn't matter since you think we just vanish, what reason do we even have to be here?

My purpose is to the future of my family and humanity. And because I only exist for the time I am here every second of my life matters whereas the only thing that matters in the lives of theists is that they've done the minimum necessary to get into heaven; in doing that it is fine to be miserable human beings who thrive on showing h**e and distain for the people and world around them. With theists, their only purpose is to reward yourself--everything and everyone else can go to hell..

PeterS

bdamage wrote:

Yes....I meant the second one.

Who put this "concept of right and wrong" within you?

Right and wrong is a learned process that is largely due to our ability to show and understand empathy. When we lack the ability to understand how our actions impact others then we loose the ability to see right and wrong. And of course, anyone who thinks they need to have a supernatural force to show them the difference between something as fundamental as right and wrong will never have the ability to know either...

PeterS

larry wrote:

I am curious, why are you here in the first place. Do you have a reason for your existance? Why waste your time h*****g around if that's your idea of life.

My reason for existence? Because chance gave me life--and if h*****g around is my idea of life then it wouldn't be a waste of time would it...

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

PeterS wrote:

Right and wrong is a learned process that is largely due to our ability to show and understand empathy. When we lack the ability to understand how our actions impact others then we loose the ability to see right and wrong. And of course, anyone who thinks they need to have a supernatural force to show them the difference between something as fundamental as right and wrong will never have the ability to know either...

If, as you believe, we are born from nothing and also die into "nothing" then what's the point of "right and wrong"?
Why should it matter?
That would give humans absolutely zero reason to have a conscious or "show empathy". Why even care about it?
We are only here for a few years so lets go hog-wild and take as much as we can and screw everyone else.
No reason at all to feel guilty about what one does to another, right? We just disappear when we die, as you agreed with.
What reason do you have to be civil and just when in the end, according to you, it won't matter because poof....we are gone?

WhatIt'sWorth Loc: Methane Sea, Jupiter

Achilles' mother was a goddess -- she was immortal.

But she was not INFALLIBLE -- or else she would not have messed up, dipping baby Achilles into the magic water of invulnerability, leaving his heel vulnerable...

I think her name was Thetis -- I guess she liked mortal guys -- cuz Achilles apparently had a human father

There WAS NO "Supreme Being" in Greek mythology

sometimes - it seemed like Zeus was "in charge" --

other times it was THE FATES who had the final say

Greek gods and goddesses were simply "amplified humanity" -- all of them put together came nowhere close to a 'supreme being'

whenever biblical descriptions of the Judaeo-Christian God stray toward the 'anthropomorphic' -- they fall to the ground

God of the Bible has ways higher than our ways - thoughts higher than our thoughts - God exists as SPIRIT;

a complex being on the High Order of TRINITY

impossible for infidels to comprehend

larry

PeterS wrote:

My purpose is to the future of my family and humanity. And because I only exist for the time I am here every second of my life matters whereas the only thing that matters in the lives of theists is that they've done the minimum necessary to get into heaven; in doing that it is fine to be miserable human beings who thrive on showing h**e and distain for the people and world around them. With theists, their only purpose is to reward yourself--everything and everyone else can go to hell..

Where did this come from, Life comes from God alone. You do not have the right to life in yourself, It is a gift to be used for the magnification of God. This is done by following His precepts and directions. When you ignore the source of life, you are giving yourself no favor of existance. You must have connected to some pagan concept of God in your life, and cannot see the t***h. People that appreciate the gift of life show that appreciation by listening to and following His laws and precepts. Our reward is pleasing our creator. As long as we keep that in focus, the reward is up to Him.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

PeterS wrote:

My purpose is to the future of my family and humanity. And because I only exist for the time I am here every second of my life matters whereas the only thing that matters in the lives of theists is that they've done the minimum necessary to get into heaven; in doing that it is fine to be miserable human beings who thrive on showing h**e and distain for the people and world around them. With theists, their only purpose is to reward yourself--everything and everyone else can go to hell..

Belief in God and religion set aside, something in this comment doesn't make sense. "I only exist for the time I am here", this doesn't make sense. For what will you do after you die, and you realize you still exist? Not as a mortal but as an immortal, then what?

I do agree with you that you must live every moment as your last, but I would really like to see the expression on your face, when you realize, that after death, you still exist!

PeterS

bdamage wrote:

If, as you believe, we are born from nothing and a... (show quote)

Because society and humanity matter. I think the bigger question is why do you ask such ridiculous questions. Do you have such little ability to reason right from wrong that without a supernatural being to tell you, you wouldn't be able to figure it out for yourself--or worse, so little self control that you couldn't control yourself? This is a reflection on you BD and CC's in general. You are looking at the world through your weakness and thinking that because you couldn't do it, it can't be done. That's your bad BD not mine and maybe you should start working on that because you might just find your inability to be moral by yourselves might just keep you out of heaven...

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

PeterS wrote:

Because society and humanity matter. I think the b... (show quote)

How do you know what is right? Just because "someone" said it was doesn't mean it's so.
The child of a radical muslim may think i's "right" to slaughter Jews and Christians because he was taught it was the right thing to do.....does that make it right?
Do you think homosexuality is wrong?
Do you think a******ns are wrong?
Are you OK with these? If you think they are right, who's to say you are correct, "society"?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

PeterS wrote:

Because society and humanity matter. I think the b... (show quote)

The "religious view" seems to be that, but for God, they would be murderers and rapists. That they would sin freely and frolic in it. Its bizarre.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

bdamage wrote:

How do you know what is right? Just because "someone" said it was doesn't mean it's so.
The child of a radical muslim may think i's "right" to slaughter Jews and Christians because he was taught it was the right thing to do.....does that make it right?
Do you think homosexuality is wrong?
Do you think a******ns are wrong?
Are you OK with these? If you think they are right, who's to say you are correct, "society"?

Yes, societies and cultures pretty much dictate rights and wrongs, although, there are certain universal wrongs I think. Even the good book teaches that some things are a sin to some but not for others, a sin being "wrong". A******n is one issue. If you think a zygote is a human or a small mass of cells is a human, then for you, I would imagine a******n is wrong. For some, its later when the fetus heart starts beating. For others, it might be later. Homosexuality? I see nothing wrong with it but I could not participate in it simply because I find guys smooching repulsive, yet two hotties kissing is quite the beautiful thing. LOL!!!

At any rate, the bible is not the defining literature on right and wrong, because it ain't divinely inspired and guided by the hand of god.

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

nwtk2007 wrote:

Yes, societies and cultures pretty much dictate ri... (show quote)

You can "choose" to believe what you want.
As will I my friend.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

bdamage wrote:

You can "choose" to believe what you want.
As will I my friend.

That's cool. No offense meant. Its just how I see it. I am not into "choosing" to believe things myself, however. I think that if I "chose" to believe the bible as the inspired word of god, that I might be lying about that belief. I'll just go with what I believe based upon my ability to reason and what sounds reasonable to me. How's that?

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

nwtk2007 wrote:

That's cool. No offense meant. Its just how I see it. I am not into "choosing" to believe things myself, however. I think that if I "chose" to believe the bible as the inspired word of god, that I might be lying about that belief. I'll just go with what I believe based upon my ability to reason and what sounds reasonable to me. How's that?

Oh....you didn't offend me nwtk.....nor do you ever.
You've always been respectful and that is something that cannot be said for most who have an opposing view from mine.
We have always agreed on one thing though.....so when is that delicious barley wine due?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

bdamage wrote:

Oh....you didn't offend me nwtk.....nor do you ever.
You've always been respectful and that is something that cannot be said for most who have an opposing view from mine.
We have always agreed on one thing though.....so when is that delicious barley wine due?

HaHa!..I'll be getting the ingredients next week and brewing it up next weekend. It'll ferment for about three weeks and wither get bottled or kegged. From there it'll be drinkable in about two weeks but it might need a few months of aging before it smooths out. I have one now that was bottled about a year ago. I'm sure its ready to go. And a have a heavy red ale that is probably ready. Its a clone of a local microbrew I like. It should be great!

I think, with as much going on with family and kids, it might be time to pop the top of a few!!