larry

What WE choose to do is one or more of the path we are on. God does not present us with only a fait accompli in our choices. Choice is the most precious gift from Him that we have. If we have come to the place of a choice, we are presented with one or more alternative ways to go. God know we will make a choice, one of which will be easy, and one will be hard. and has laid out a path for that choice. We never are faced with only one way to go.

God does not present us with a fixed path, because that would not give us the right to follow or not follow what He wants. You are assuming just because He knows what we will do, that it would be better if we did not make a choice.

We are never faced with ONE way to go. He lets us choose either the hard way of the easy way. It is like flipping a coin, either heads or tails with us. We make a choice, but the outcome does not always fit into our expectations. If you want to call heads, and have it always come up heads, you do not have to make a choice. But sometimes, circumstances give us tails. This is the learning path. Once you understand which path God wants you to follow, you have made the prime choice of following Him, and your trust in the relationship will then make these small choices of no value, because you will already have chosen His way. That is the purpose of the indwelling Spirit, if you are connected, your choosing path is determined by your desire to please God. Free will is the path to enlightenment. God lets you make choices so that you voluntarily go His way. Without this avenue of choice, you would be a s***e. He does not want you as an unwilling servant.

God does know what your choice will be, and lets you make it. From that point on, He guides you along that path until you either come to another choice, or achieve to continue on the right path without the necessary for a choice to follow what He desires you to do.

So the element of choice relates to following Him or not. Even if you do not choose His way, no matter which way you choose, you will either be on HIs highway , or a His byway until you fall into misery, and are faced with another choice that will take you eventually to the right place.

You are like a little kid being chosen to play ball, waiting for the leader to choose you for a position, Choose me, choose me, but you as a first baseman are directed to second base to play that position. You can do so, or throw down your glove and stomp off the field. Your choice. You may have to spend your limited life going through bad choices, it is your call. You can choose the wrong way or the right way. He will still try to get you to choose His way, but will not force you to.

But before you get the chance to play the game, you have to choose your team. One team will win, and one team will lose. Choose the winning team.

larry

Man does not know what is good or bad unless someone defines it for him. It is the good or bad in the world that is determined by the law giver. Man without God in his life is corrupt,and cannot determine good or bad. How can a man with no standard baseline determine what is good or bad? There is only one source of goodness, that is the Creator. Only the source of all creation has the license to define good or bad.

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

And where do you think they all got this "concept of right and wrong"?

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

I think it was the greek hero, Achilles who said, "The immortals are jealous of us because of our beauty because we do not know when we are going to die. This is what makes us greater than the immortals."

Think about that and get back to me on it.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

I use more than just the Bible, for my proof in God, my friend. If you must know among the things I use for God's existence is the following:

The Bible, the book of Enoch, the book of Jubilees, The book of Adam, the writings of St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and St. Thomas Aquinas. I also use ancient Greek and Egyptian mythology, I use Sumerian, Chaldean, Phoenician and Babylonian text. I use records kept by the Romans as well as records from the Jewish historian Josephus.

I use the Shroud of Turin, and other artifacts of Christendom. Records kept in Jerusalem, Corinth, and Constantinople.

I use the witness statements of the unexplainable experiences of mankind, yesterday, today and tomorrow.

The only common denominator in all of what I use, is the God of Israel, the same attributes and the same wisdom is portrayed over and over again, in all of these writings, artifacts and experiences. I have my proof, although I did not need it. How about you? are you still searching, or have you given up completely?

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

paradoxical thought, that needs a new dimension before it could work.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

No evidence of even Moses? Really?

http://www.bandoli.no/moses.htm

WhatIt'sWorth Loc: Methane Sea, Jupiter

Mr GreenJeans was a Hindu.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

That explains a lot!

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

lol :thumbup: :thumbup:

larry

I am curious, why are you here in the first place. Do you have a reason for your existance? Why waste your time h*****g around if that's your idea of life.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

We are able to create our own purpose other than the satisfaction of some mythical being.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Is that so?

Can you tell the sun to move or order the moon to stop its motion?
Can you tell a plant to uproot and move over there and to the mountain move over here? and they obey you?

Did not Christ curse the dogwood tree and today it is a bush?
Did not Christ say that if a man had the faith that could be contained in a mustard seed, that man could move mountains?

What is God's purpose? For you call Him mythical, so I ask you what is the purpose of this so called mythical God?

In the expanse of reading I have done on the subject, as compared to all the other gods, man in his purpose has worshiped, only the God of Adam, Abraham, Israel, whose son is Jesus Christ only asked us to do two things. Worship Him and Him alone, and love our neighbor as ourselves, and be fruitful and multiply, populate the earth.

When asked about God's purpose, did not Christ years later give us the same purpose? Did He not say, "Love God with all your mind, body and spirit, and love thy neighbor as thy self"

So out of all the mythical gods of the ancients which god would you follow? A god of earth and stone, or a true and living God?

It is your choice, I just gave you the facts here, you must choose. And it doesn't matter if you reject Him to me, for that is between you and God.

larry

'but, you only have access to what you learn during your lifetime if you do not believe what has gone before as a baseline for existence. Your purpose then becomes mythical since it has no foundation other than your own ideas of purpose. Unless purpose has been shown to be factual and productive, it is also a myth. So what do you base your purpose on? What is your starting point for reality?

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Good point Larry, very good point :thumbup: :thumbup: I wonder what the reply will be......