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Apr 1, 2015 02:35:47   #
PeterS
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
God did not send the flood to destroy man, but to baptize the earth! lol for if God felt so deeply that He had made such a mistake as you testify to, then not even Noah would have survived.

Sin defiled the land, as the waste of fish pollute a fish tank. And as the rushing of water cleans a dirty tank, so does the waters of baptism, clean the soul of sin. lol.


So are you saying that we shouldn't believe what we read in the bible?

Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."

To me that sounds like he is pissed and wants to destroy what he created. If what he did was a baptism it is like one I have never heard of before...

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Apr 1, 2015 02:47:21   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
PeterS wrote:
So are you saying that we shouldn't believe what we read in the bible?

Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."

To me that sounds like he is pissed and wants to destroy what he created. If what he did was a baptism it is like one I have never heard of before...
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How can one who does not believe in what is written in the chapter use a part of the chapter against me?

Are we not created in God's image, as was stated in the previous chapter? And if we are created in His image, would it not make sense that He would be angry? However, did He not save Noah and his family from the flood?

To believe that God was angry for what He had created, then one must believe that the Angels and the daughters of Man had intercourse and produced the wickedness, that God was angry about.

The first generation Nephilim, k**led each other off, that was the punishment of God to the angels who were involved in the a*********n. Then these angels were chained in hell for all eternity. But because of the innocent blood spilt by the a*********ns, God was angry and sad. That is why God reduced the lifespan of man, and destroyed the earth.

Welcome to a return to the argument of the Nephilim. Which I have shown already is connected to the gods, titans, etc, of ancient. The Egyptians claim they are descendants of the Nephilim. And according to the book of Enoch and the genealogy of Moses in Genesis, two of the three sons of Noah, married daughters of the Nephilim.

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Apr 1, 2015 07:06:07   #
PeterS
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
"I think therefore I am" a statement of awareness. We are aware that we are born, and we die. To predict the future is sorcery, God declared sorcery as an a*********n. Even though God knows a possible outcome, and though infinite wisdom is always correct, but God always gives us a chance to repent.

If you repent or not, that is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you have been given the chance with hopes you will repent. God places hope in you. It is your choice. But God's hope is eternal, therefore, if He places hope within you, is it not right to place hope in Him? But to those who lost all hope, that is called despair. God's foolishness is more wise than King Solomon's wisdom, and King Solomon was the wisest human in all of humanity.

Faith, Hope and Charity, or Love, are the keys to heaven, when invoked through Christ. The foolishness of man, sees God as knowing everything, therefore if God knows you will not believe in Him, why does He waste His time in trying to convince you. The wisdom of God says, "I love you."
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Look, you're the one who once argued that god had the ability to know the future. That was one of your arguments that god existed. So don't sit here now and say he doesn't! When god knows what choice I will make before I make it then he has placed no hope in me. You can't sit there and hope someone will make the right choice when you already know the choice he is going to make. And just what does love have to do with any of this? How can you sit there and talk about how god loves us when he created us knowing whether we would end up as one of his children or not? So what? If my fate is to burn in hell he's done me no favor in his creation. And just why is it foolish of man to look to god as knowing everything? Any god that can prophesize the future certainly has the ability to know what the future holds for each of his creations. And knowing that--to create beings only so they can fail isn't the sign of love, wisdom, faith, hope, and certainly not charity.

My grandparents used to raise chickens and the fate of all roosters and the older hens was the dinner table. Now my grand parents were very kind people and loved the life that they lived but with the exception of a hand full prized chickens the end result for every chicken was the chopping block. Love, wisdom, faith, hope, and charity is nothing but empty rhetoric when your fate is already known...

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Apr 1, 2015 07:40:08   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
PeterS wrote:
Look, you're the one who once argued that god had the ability to know the future. That was one of your arguments that god existed. So don't sit here now and say he doesn't! When god knows what choice I will make before I make it then he has placed no hope in me. You can't sit there and hope someone will make the right choice when you already know the choice he is going to make. And just what does love have to do with any of this? How can you sit there and talk about how god loves us when he created us knowing whether we would end up as one of his children or not? So what? If my fate is to burn in hell he's done me no favor in his creation. And just why is it foolish of man to look to god as knowing everything? Any god that can prophesize the future certainly has the ability to know what the future holds for each of his creations. And knowing that--to create beings only so they can fail isn't the sign of love, wisdom, faith, hope, and certainly not charity.

My grandparents used to raise chickens and the fate of all roosters and the older hens was the dinner table. Now my grand parents were very kind people and loved the life that they lived but with the exception of a hand full prized chickens the end result for every chicken was the chopping block. Love, wisdom, faith, hope, and charity is nothing but empty rhetoric when your fate is already known...
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Let me ask you a question Peetee.

What do you think will happen to you when you die?
Do you just stop existing?
Poof....gone?

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Apr 1, 2015 07:41:48   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
If god is god then he knew what they would do. Of course he knew what we would do also even before we were a glimmer in our fathers eyes. The question begged is what's the point? Since god knew what choice everyone who ever existed and will ever exist would eventually make why the charade--why not simply put us where we belonged to begin with before going through all this BS and the pretence of freewill.

Now think about it. God created a universe with billions of galaxies and trillions of solar systems and a gazillion planets all so he could create a utopian world for Adam and Eve. Does any of that make any since? Now imagine, here is a god for whom the laws of physics are irrelevant and even if he wanted to create multiple worlds for many civilizations all he would have to do is create one world in a multiverse. Problem solved with none of the very needless universes, solar systems, nova’s, planets, black holes, etc, etc, none of which is necessary for a god with unlimited powers who wanted a utopian world for man. Am I right? If all god wanted was a utopia for us all he had to do was twitch his nose and there it would be.

But instead he creates a universe which is governed by the laws of physics even though he doesn’t need physics to accomplish what he wants. I once told Larry that it was all the contradictions that god presented that caused me to loose faith and he ask we what contradictions--well this is the biggest one right here. We are supposed to have freewill but the outcome of our lives is already known before we have even lived it so freewill turns out to be irrelevant. BD says--well I hope you make the right choice--when the choice was made long before I even existed. Right choice or wrong choice god knows what choice I will eventually make so why was it even necessary for me to be here?

If anything proves that god doesn’t exist it’s this right here--why would a god go to all the time and trouble to crate the universe for beings for whom he already knows will be worthy of heaven or not? That is the most illogical thing one can imagine yet that is what we are supposed to believe! To believe in god you have to believe in irrationalism where the world of the tooth fairy is real even though on our rational side we know it’s not true. I don’t know how you believe but for me it wasn’t until I cast aside the illusion of god that I finally found freedom. My only regret is that I wasted so much of my life chasing what was no more than a ghost. When I had my stroke my last thoughts were of my daughter and had my conscience state lasted longer I would have included more of my family. People always say you pray to god during such times but not for me and I don’t think for those who are truly comfortable with who and what they are. The reality is that the end will be no worse then the beginning and since the nothingness before the beginning didn’t bother me then it certainly the nothingness after the end won’t bother me either.

And when you think about it---since heaven will be populated with nothing but a bunch of Christian conservatives for someone like me would that be heaven or hell? Well I say hell so even if I am wrong I will wind up in the place where I would most want to be!
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Its this bible god I dont by into, much less the bible fairytales and magic. I think there are higher beings but who knows who or what they are. I, like you, are comfortable with that.

However, I also think that higher power might be, to a certain extent, interactive, meaning that it might, in some way, respond to us in some form or fashion.

Who knows. But I am convinced the bible and the god described therein, are figments of mankinds imagination.

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Apr 1, 2015 08:06:34   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Its this bible god I dont by into, much less the bible fairytales and magic. I think there are higher beings but who knows who or what they are. I, like you, are comfortable with that.

However, I also think that higher power might be, to a certain extent, interactive, meaning that it might, in some way, respond to us in some form or fashion.

Who knows. But I am convinced the bible and the god described therein, are figments of mankinds imagination.


And Jesus?
Is He also a 'figment of mankind's imagination"?

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Apr 1, 2015 08:15:32   #
PeterS
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
How can one who does not believe in what is written in the chapter use a part of the chapter against me?

Are we not created in God's image, as was stated in the previous chapter? And if we are created in His image, would it not make sense that He would be angry? However, did He not save Noah and his family from the flood?

To believe that God was angry for what He had created, then one must believe that the Angels and the daughters of Man had intercourse and produced the wickedness, that God was angry about.

The first generation Nephilim, k**led each other off, that was the punishment of God to the angels who were involved in the a*********n. Then these angels were chained in hell for all eternity. But because of the innocent blood spilt by the a*********ns, God was angry and sad. That is why God reduced the lifespan of man, and destroyed the earth.

Welcome to a return to the argument of the Nephilim. Which I have shown already is connected to the gods, titans, etc, of ancient. The Egyptians claim they are descendants of the Nephilim. And according to the book of Enoch and the genealogy of Moses in Genesis, two of the three sons of Noah, married daughters of the Nephilim.
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I can read and comprehend can't I? If you are going to use the bible as your proof of gods existence then you don't have exclusiveness to it. As for gods anger--once again, since he knew what man was going to do before he even created him it is a bit spurious to then feel anger for their achieving what he knew they would acheive. If anything, god should be pissed at himself for blaming man for doing what he knew they were going to do. It's god who's at fault because he created beings that he knew would fail.

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Apr 1, 2015 08:20:52   #
PeterS
 
bdamage wrote:
Let me ask you a question Peetee.

What do you think will happen to you when you die?
Do you just stop existing?
Poof....gone?

I think I will become what I was before I was born. If I didn't exist for the eternity before I was born to not exist for the eternity after will be no different.

Yes, poof I am gone!

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Apr 1, 2015 08:27:54   #
PeterS
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Its this bible god I dont by into, much less the bible fairytales and magic. I think there are higher beings but who knows who or what they are. I, like you, are comfortable with that.

However, I also think that higher power might be, to a certain extent, interactive, meaning that it might, in some way, respond to us in some form or fashion.

Who knows. But I am convinced the bible and the god described therein, are figments of mankinds imagination.

I used to think that there was some kind of supernatural power but the more I've debated this the more certain I've become that god is simply something of our creation. I think god is simply a product of fear that this is all that there is. People simply can't accept their mortality and once they do god becomes irrelevant...

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Apr 1, 2015 08:59:56   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
PeterS wrote:
I think I will become what I was before I was born. If I didn't exist for the eternity before I was born to not exist for the eternity after will be no different.

Yes, poof I am gone!


Then tell me....what is your purpose for existing at all?

Why have any laws? Who needs laws when we have no purpose?

If life doesn't matter since you think we just vanish, what reason do we even have to be here?

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Apr 1, 2015 09:08:38   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
bdamage wrote:
Then tell me....what is your purpose for existing at all?

Why have any laws? Who needs laws when we have no purpose?

If life doesn't matter since you think we just vanish, what reason do we even have to be here?


Do you think goodness is just a god thing? What if man chooses to do good despite god or no god. Woops!

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Apr 1, 2015 09:11:25   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Do you think goodness is just a god thing? What if man chooses to do good despite god or no god. Woops!


Are you saying we have a conscious?
Why?

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Apr 1, 2015 09:44:53   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
bdamage wrote:
Are you saying we have a conscious?
Why?


I am convinced I am real and have substance. Based upon that and that I am aware of my existance, yes, that defines it for me. I am conscious.

Conscience? Yes, that too. The concept of right and wrong is within me. So . .

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Apr 1, 2015 10:19:07   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I am convinced I am real and have substance. Based upon that and that I am aware of my existance, yes, that defines it for me. I am conscious.

Conscience? Yes, that too. The concept of right and wrong is within me. So . .


Yes....I meant the second one.

Who put this "concept of right and wrong" within you?

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Apr 1, 2015 11:13:45   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
bdamage wrote:
Yes....I meant the second one.

Who put this "concept of right and wrong" within you?


My parents, society, DNA, TV, Popeye the Sailor, Mr Greenjeans, Mr Pepperment, Leave it to Beaver, Dobie Gillis, My friends and their parents, Charlotte's Web, and of course the church my parents took me to as a child and maybe small parts of the bible until I read the remainder of it and discovered the despicable things in it.

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