Mollypitcher1

A question to ponder perhaps, did Pascal answer the enigma of faith when he said," The heart has reasons that reason cannot know."
Why, when everyday burdens weigh on a person, does a walk on the shore listening to the sound of the waves calm inner turmoil? Why does a stroll through the forest have the same effect? Why, in essence, is confrontation with Nature's beauty and perfection the most soothing medicine known to man? Why is Nature perfect in it's design, but Man is not? I don't think "Reason" can answer the question. At least not satisfactorily,

Blacksheep

Wait. Is this an Ambien commercial?

Kachina

Absolutely agree. I am always seeking and learning and am the first to admit I have much more to understand and learn. I do get annoyed with people who profess certain beliefs such as there is no God and we just kind of came into being by accident. Also get annoyed by people who profess I am going to hell because I don't follow a certain religion. People can believe what they want. I will always try to reason witH atheists and speak of my own experiences so hopefully they see the light and realize there is a higher power at work here. I certainly don't believe a person needs to be part of an organized religion to be welcomed into heaven. That is very narrow minded thinking, but people can
Think what they choose about religion, just don't try to recruit me into your religion by trying to make me fearful of an all loving God.

Mollypitcher1

B****sheep said, " Really? On OPP? What would be the fun of that? It's only an option if you keep your thoughts to yourself. When you blare them out on an open forum, they're fair game. What's the matter, do only Creationists get to say what they think?"

I would say that Atheists get the headlines more often as is evidenced by their constant attacks on the church, the bible, anything and everything that has to do with God, in their attempts to make us a secular nation--a Godless nation...as Marx dictated.

Now, speaking of fun, One man's " fun," is another man's "sin." One person's Words are subject to interpretation by another based on personal feelings rather than logic, in most instances. Where those "feelings" come from is important because we always wind up "judging" whether someone is a sinner or a saint based on our own feelings. Rather like two sides of the same coin. And nobody has ever answered the question, What came first, the chicken or the egg.

Mollypitcher1

Do you deny that people find solace in Nature?

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

The planet is covered with dinosaur bones, and yet we have never found:

-Eden
-or Noah's ark.
-or the original ten commandments

Kachina

I am not talking about Eden, the ark or the commandments. Personally I think they were man made events that were made up. I am talking about a faith in a higher power. I do not believe personally that God created the entire universe. My belief from things I have studied through life and my own experiences are that God was pure consciousness, energy who had first thought. From that thought, God grew and began to want life and someone to share it with. Through his thought he began to manifest and change energy and eventually life as we know it was created. I can't explain it very well, but that is the basics.

Blacksheep

Not at all, I find plenty of it, but what did that little rant have to do with Creationism? Was that just digression, or a deliberate attempt at distraction?

Blacksheep

That God is pure consciousness sounds pretty accurate, but the bit about God being a He doesn't. That's like appointing a g****r to lightning bolts or air.

I'll tell you. God manifests in my life in the form of amazing coincidences. When I give a problem I can't solve to God, it always gets solved in the form of an amazing coincidence, the kind that may happen only once or twice in a lifetime. I've had a hundred of them or more. So to me, God is real.

Kachina

I use He just to give definition. I don't know if God is s he or she or neither. Just used as a reference.

Mollypitcher1

It is claimed that two of the three have been located.

J Anthony Loc: Connecticut

By whom?

Blacksheep

Only Eden, which is underwater now because the Ice Age ended, the ice melted, the ice dams gave way and created all those different Great Floods that religious freaks keep insisting was caused by 40 days of rain.

The Ark is just a story, no one has ever found it, nor the original ten commandments, which are supposed to be inside the Ark of the Covenant, which has never been found either.

Now, if all three were found and verified, what would that have to do with proving creation over evolution? Answer: Nothing. Next pointless remark? You ma'am, over there in the Dolly Parton outfit....

Mollypitcher1

That little rant has everything to do with "Creationism" according to several other "Religions", which, after all, are simply beliefs organized into a more or less rigid structure. "Religions," I think you will agree, are man made "political" organizations, structured to lead people into certain living patterns or beliefs, the most severe, perhaps being Catholicism. I am a Protestant, so like Martin Luther, I protest.
Frankly, I think that many of the "beliefs" of our Native Americans have as much validity as corresponding teachings from the Bible. Many of them are "Nature related." Contrary to many people's beliefs, the Native Americans believe in a Supreme Creator. I personally do not think it matters whether "God" is called God, or Wakan Tanka, or any other name created by man.
What I do not understand is the denial that a Supreme Being exists and "Created" us. It is simply an attempt in my opinion, to strip mankind of a stabilizing and deeply held certainty by many that there is something greater than ourselves. Atheists explain everything away by saying that "Science" is the answer. But WHO or WHAT created the "Rules" of science?
Atheists and all their derivatives do not believe in creation being anything other than an accident. I do not believe that Nature's absolute perfection can be explained by calling it an accident.....or a Big Bang.

My personal belief includes "pieces" of many "religions," gained through a lifetime of having an "open" mind. I'm comfortable with it.

Mollypitcher1

I agree! I too have had many "coincidences" in my life that solved a problem, but have also had incidences that can not be explained rationally that saved my life. I am certain that God is real and there is a hereafter.