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Jan 9, 2015 13:11:21   #
pixie
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
It sounds undemocratic--to Liberals--to say it, but I think I agree with you. Our founders and anti-federalists felt the people could be easily misled.


well now, its a fact that people can be misled!.......just one look at our so called president proves that!.... :D

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Jan 9, 2015 13:18:42   #
vernon
 
pixie wrote:
well now, its a fact that people can be misled!.......just one look at our so called president proves that!.... :D


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jan 9, 2015 15:05:40   #
LAPhil Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
vernon wrote:
the sad part of watters world is that these kids are being formed by crack pot professors and what do you get , occupy wall street.
Or just general ignorance.

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Jan 9, 2015 19:35:39   #
Comment Loc: California
 
bahmer wrote:
I think that you about have it covered here. No. 1 and 2 are it takes a village starting with government controlled education or indoctrination starting at preschool through college. Then Np. 3 welfare where to start with that as we are now on our fifth and sixth generation of welfare recipients and maybe even the seventh, who knows for sure.

Change v****g over to those that have skin in the game which are either working adults or business owners, also those that are retired and have worked all of their lives. In other words those that pay the taxes in this country or have paid taxes all of their lives should be allowed to v**e. Those receiving hand outs remain silent or get a job.
I think that you about have it covered here. No. 1... (show quote)


Part of the moral correctness possessed by liberals is to give 18-21 year olds the right to v**e. They fight in wars. They should have the right to v**e. More of this absurd correctness is that all adults should have the absolute right to v**e even those in an insane asylum, even those with no education and those who can't read or write. Would you give any of this group the power over your household? Of course not. Then why do you let them run the central gov of 2 million employees and a budget of $3,000,000,000,000.

Obuma bought the last e******n by promising to go easy with student loans (forgive and forget hint), made higher edu less expensive, expand welfare and food SNAP, 95% of b****s in his bag. No touch SS. The Reps campaigned on the poor economy and gov. spending that would reign in the preceding. Think about it. Romney hit the nail dead center. He said that 47% would not accept his proposal because they were on the gov tit. He was correct. Only 4% of the remaining v**ers put him over the top.

Obuma lied and those who v**ed for him v**ed Republican in the midterm. Obuma's approval rating is up temporarily but it will go down again. What Repubs have to do now is to not attack each other in the primary and save that for Hillary

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Jan 9, 2015 21:59:53   #
67p5065
 
moldyoldy wrote:
I am sure there would be increased liability without parental consent. My death was worth about 5000, at that time.


Some that has not written and signed their own will at 18 does not understand where you are coming from . Do that then come tell me I am to young to v**e or buy a beer .

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Jan 10, 2015 00:07:20   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
LAPhil wrote:
I used to think that would be unconstitutional and I was surprised to discover that it's actually not. Still, the idea will never fly.


They won't even make showing an ID a v**er requirement! :?

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Jan 10, 2015 00:16:28   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Basically, a Police Force protects law-abiding citizens; a Police State oppresses them.

Or even more accurately: A Police Force protects law-abiding citizens from the bad guys; In a Police State, government is/are the bad guys.

Jefferson and the founders didn't have a concept of a "police state". They did know, however, when government was becoming oppressive.

The question is:

When does a free state become a police state?

Possible, but not exhaustive, ideas:

1. When government is believed to know better how to run your life than you yourself do.

2. When citizens thing "government shapes character" (from James Q. Wilson)

3. When citizens, or other entities, become dependent on government largess.

Other ideas, posters?
Basically, a Police Force protects law-abiding cit... (show quote)


When the government can access your personal information without your knowledge or permission?

When they can conduct no-knock, warrantless raids.

When agencies such as the IRS and EPA have their own goon squads.

When the purpose of all investigations into government wrongdoing is to find nothing.

When they can send weapons and money to anyone they choose, anywhere in the world and don't tell us about it.

I could think of many more...

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Jan 10, 2015 08:45:35   #
vernon
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
I didn't say they couldn't fight. I said minors have not the experience to properly assess past and present, etc.

I didn't know Madison was a soldier. But he was certainly an unusually brilliant historian and logician, even at 25. Who'da known?


i believe back then only property ownwers could v**e.and i fully agree with that.

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Jan 10, 2015 10:04:30   #
cold iron Loc: White House
 
vernon wrote:
i believe back then only property ownwers could v**e.and i fully agree with that.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jan 10, 2015 12:31:07   #
CarolSeer2016
 
rolse wrote:
Actually, police are not the protectors of anyone. The idea that they are is one of the fallacies that lead to a police state. A free people are able to protect themselves, and when they are free, do so when they are awake and aware of the threat. Since criminals are noted for being opportunistic, they will always be able to find victims. People who have become victims can go to the police and complain. It's the job of police to investigate the complaint. If the evidence supports the complaint, to attempt to find and arrest the perpetrator. One of the precursors of a police state is the creation of victimless "crimes". The police are then converted from investigators to snoops, becoming ever more invasive of people's privacy to see if they are violating any "laws". Inevitably, the public tends to resent the "laws" politicians pass in ever increasing number and detail to keep us safe; from ourselves. The resentment brings on efforts to resist; which police use ever increasing levels of violence to suppress. Inevitably, the police eventually come to initiate the violence and the lethality of it.
Actually, police are not the protectors of anyone.... (show quote)


I think you are describing, in essence, an anarchic state, when you contend that each individual should protect himself. I myself am not one for anarchy.

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Jan 10, 2015 12:32:13   #
CarolSeer2016
 
BigMike wrote:
When the government can access your personal information without your knowledge or permission?

When they can conduct no-knock, warrantless raids.

When agencies such as the IRS and EPA have their own goon squads.

When the purpose of all investigations into government wrongdoing is to find nothing.

When they can send weapons and money to anyone they choose, anywhere in the world and don't tell us about it.

I could think of many more...


Good points, Big Mike.

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Jan 10, 2015 12:33:08   #
CarolSeer2016
 
Billhuggins wrote:
Part of the moral correctness possessed by liberals is to give 18-21 year olds the right to v**e. They fight in wars. They should have the right to v**e. More of this absurd correctness is that all adults should have the absolute right to v**e even those in an insane asylum, even those with no education and those who can't read or write. Would you give any of this group the power over your household? Of course not. Then why do you let them run the central gov of 2 million employees and a budget of $3,000,000,000,000.

Obuma bought the last e******n by promising to go easy with student loans (forgive and forget hint), made higher edu less expensive, expand welfare and food SNAP, 95% of b****s in his bag. No touch SS. The Reps campaigned on the poor economy and gov. spending that would reign in the preceding. Think about it. Romney hit the nail dead center. He said that 47% would not accept his proposal because they were on the gov tit. He was correct. Only 4% of the remaining v**ers put him over the top.

Obuma lied and those who v**ed for him v**ed Republican in the midterm. Obuma's approval rating is up temporarily but it will go down again. What Repubs have to do now is to not attack each other in the primary and save that for Hillary
Part of the moral correctness possessed by liberal... (show quote)


What happens when morons elect morons. Chesterton calls it a "morocracy".

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Jan 10, 2015 13:19:46   #
vernon
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
I think you are describing, in essence, an anarchic state, when you contend that each individual should protect himself. I myself am not one for anarchy.


your right -but common sence tells me to be prepared.if you are being robbed and call a cop what do you do in the mean time.

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Jan 10, 2015 13:26:05   #
CarolSeer2016
 
vernon wrote:
your right -but common sence tells me to be prepared.if you are being robbed and call a cop what do you do in the mean time.


Yes, I agree, things are starting to get tense. Thanks Ovomit and the Libs!!

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Jan 10, 2015 14:20:25   #
Comment Loc: California
 
Good posy rolse

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