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Jan 10, 2015 18:43:31   #
LAPhil Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Good question. Maybe he's lurking somewhere. I actually miss him.
I see his last post was on Nov. 22. He must be on hiatus or something.

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Jan 10, 2015 18:56:24   #
vernon
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
I didn't take it to be sexist, I just wondered if there were "male" references, (rolse--I didn't know it was a name--thought it might be a guy name for a part of the body).

And I never intended anyone to think I would blame a police force for becoming a police state. Exactly the opposite.

In fact our State m*****as I see as bulwarks against standing armies. Please see my post: Standing armies.


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have these people that go after the cops stopped to think that these s**t head politicans write these laws.all the cops do is enforce the laws.they should direct their anger at the ones causes all the problems.

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Jan 10, 2015 19:08:27   #
Comment Loc: California
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
I'm wondering if you are, indeed, being sarcastic--about me, that is.


No! absolutely no. I am just having fun.

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Jan 10, 2015 19:20:16   #
vernon
 
LAPhil wrote:
I see his last post was on Nov. 22. He must be on hiatus or something.


who?>

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Jan 10, 2015 20:00:43   #
rolse
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
I think you are describing, in essence, an anarchic state, when you contend that each individual should protect himself. I myself am not one for anarchy.

How many times have the police been anywhere around: 1. When a child was kidnapped? 2. When a store was robbed? 3. When a home was invaded? 4. When a woman or girl was accosted and raped? 5. When a family member was murdered? The answer to all of those questions, and hundreds more like them, is ALMOST NEVER. There is on patrol duty at any given time in most jurisdictions about one police officer for every 15 thousand people during the peak hours for criminal activity. It is mathematically impossible for us to be protected from criminal harm by police. Your comment demonstrates clearly the fantasy world that we have been systematically trained for at least five decades to believe in. The world in which government is the provider, protector, savior, parent and keeper of our security if we just put our trust in its caring hands and let our leaders solve all of our problems.

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Jan 10, 2015 20:07:59   #
vernon
 
rolse wrote:
How many times have the police been anywhere around: 1. When a child was kidnapped? 2. When a store was robbed? 3. When a home was invaded? 4. When a woman or girl was accosted and raped? 5. When a family member was murdered? The answer to all of those questions, and hundreds more like them, is ALMOST NEVER. There is on patrol duty at any given time in most jurisdictions about one police officer for every 15 thousand people during the peak hours for criminal activity. It is mathematically impossible for us to be protected from criminal harm by police. Your comment demonstrates clearly the fantasy world that we have been systematically trained for at least five decades to believe in. The world in which government is the provider, protector, savior, parent and keeper of our security if we just put our trust in its caring hands and let our leaders solve all of our problems.
How many times have the police been anywhere aroun... (show quote)


i h**e to say this but there main job if getting revenue writing tickets.

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Jan 10, 2015 20:10:11   #
vernon
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Good question. Maybe he's lurking somewhere. I actually miss him.


oh leave him where he is.

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Jan 10, 2015 20:51:15   #
Comment Loc: California
 
vernon wrote:
i h**e to say this but there main job if getting revenue writing tickets.


Damascus, Arkansas, a town of 50 residents a few years ago, made national news as the # 1 speed trap in the nation. Of course it sits astride a US Highway and all the violators were from out of town. The cops had no police training at all. They sat in their new patrol cars and watched people pass, followed them and wrote them up 1 doing 1 mile over 35 MPH. I was a Highway Patrolman in a large Western state. There is no way an accurate judgment can be made relative to 1 mile over the speed limit due to the impossibility to accurately judge distance and speed simultaneously. That is: am I closing, or maintaining the same speed as the subject vehicle. It would require a distance of at least a mile to make that judgment. How do you think 50 people can afford 4 $30,000 police cruisers.? Tickets and hefty fines from out of towners. The practice has been shut down now.

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Jan 10, 2015 21:10:29   #
rolse
 
vernon wrote:
i h**e to say this but there main job if getting revenue writing tickets.


In some jurisdictions that is very true. In all jurisdictions it is one of a number of functions unrelated to crime that police are assigned to do. It also tends to reduce their ability to "protect" the people. The phrase "protect and serve" is a propaganda slogan. As a matter of law, not to mention common sense, that cannot be their purpose other than in responding to calls and giving aid to people in some form of distress is to serve. Police as "public servants" is an acceptable sideline to their real purpose; to investigate complaints of crime made by its victims.

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