Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

I get it...the state is your god. Duly noted.

straightUp Loc: California

It's ALWAYS been a matter of definition. Every war is the result of governments redefining who their soldiers can k**l. And no, I don't feel the same way about living breathing kids as I do about unthinking embryos. This is my honest assessment. If God is telling you that I am wrong, maybe He can tell me some day... until then, I'm going with what makes sense to me.


Wow... that's a seriously dark vision. Hmm... maybe, though...

I think I remember from my last meeting with these - guys - there was something about... it was, uh... Oh, "mercy k*****g." That's right... Yeah, post birth, mamma can't deal kinda stuff. Just get a pro out there to do the job for free put it on the tax payer. They we talking about all this funding... I think some guy knew Epstein... I dunno, the heroine was really starting to hit hard about then.

;) - I bet I could really screw with you guys if I wanted to.

Look, it's a dark vision but it's also hyperbolic as fuuuuk. I mean, you would have to tear down a LOT of SERIOUSLY deep taboos to get to what you're describing. Which BTW, is nothing close to what I am supporting.

One of big reasons why I support regulated a******ns is that it ensures more of the unwanted pregnancies are terminated as early as possible - the earlier, the less there is to hurt. This is why I am also a strong advocate for contraceptives that don't rely on dudes to use condoms. Women should be armed with constant contraception as a matter of self-defense, 'cause men can be fu<kers.

Most of all... Women should have the right to a private conversation with a qualified doctor and/or counselor of their choice. Hopefully, most of these conversations will be about avoiding pregnancy, but should the conversation be after it's too late, I think the privacy should extend to emergency services such as a******n.

I already know you disagree. I already know you have reams of reasons and arguments.. I've probably already seen them all - I've seen lots, but none of what I see changes my assessment and screaming at me and calling me a murder - none of that makes it any better.

We probably disagree on one particular point... personhood. When does conception turn into a person? We do not agree on when that happens and everything else falls from that. Tell me I'm wrong.

I'm being presumptuous here by guessing that you are a Christian and therefore more likely to believe it's simultaneous. Contraception itself creates the person.

Personally, I think we have a window within which a conception occurs but a person has yet to emerge from it. We can get more into this core of the issue if you like but don't expect anyone to change their minds on this.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

A******n is an effect, it is a symptom of an underlying cause.
Do you have any idea of what caused a******n to become state sponsored industrialized genocide?

A******n and genocide: What happens when ‘the government’ decides who has a right to life

Is A******n a Genocide?
A******n dismembers, starves to death and crushes the skulls of around 885 babies in the womb every working day in the UK. In 2020, in Great Britain, 224,675 babies were k**led brutally in the wombi. The World Health Organisation estimates that between 2015 and 2019, on average, 73.3 million a******ns occurred worldwide each year. There is an entire industry built on this destruction of human life which has a vested interest in k*****g unwanted pre-born babies by a******n.

Report Affirms A******n Is Greatest Genocide in History
A******n as genocide: Face the facts in the new year

A******n: The Great American Genocide
“One of history’s most tragic lessons is that human beings have a remarkable capacity for abusing their fellow humans. When this abuse is severe enough, and moves beyond the mistreatment of a few individuals, we call it a crime against humanity. Crimes against humanity generally refer to any large-scale atrocity committed against a group of innocent human beings. They are not crimes of passion, they are crimes of precision.”

“Webster’s New World Encyclopedia, Prentice Hall General Reference, 1992, defines genocide as ‘The deliberate and systematic destruction of a national, racial, religious, political, cultural, ethnic, or other group defined by the exterminators as undesirable.’ That definition readily applies to a******n. The ‘national group’ is American ‘unwanted’ unborn children and they are now being destroyed at the rate of nearly 1 out of every 3 conceived. They are being terminated in an elaborate network of k*****g centers.”

Why A******n is Genocide
A******n: ‘Greatest Universal Genocide’

U.S. A******n Clock: Real Time
In the US so far today, Aug. 3, approaching 1600.
Worldwide today, 70,000.
In the US so far this year, approaching 550,000.

"The most dangerous place for an African American is in the womb."
Reverend Clenard Childress, Jr.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

Everything you say makes sense.......IF a child is not a person until you say he/she is. You are also right on the point about two things....we will NEVER agree on this, and I am a Christian. However, me being a Christian is immaterial. I was appalled by the idea of a******n when I first understood what it is....around 11 or 12 years old.
Many years before I accepted Christ into my life.
Biologically, a fertilized human egg that has attached itself to the uterus will grow into a fully functioning human being UNLESS something interferes with it. If that 'something' is not nature, then it is k*****g the child.
My guess work about what comes next is not JUST guess work. Several left wing politicians have already expressed views hinting in that direction. Also, you can pick any left wing subject you want, and you will see incrementalism and year after year of denials that it will lead anywhere else.

Kevyn

People do not exist until birth.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

You feel free to keep on telling yourself that. Just like you think a man can get pregnant, g****r is something that is wrongfully programmed into a child by society, POC can't be r****t, and children are not indoctrinated into the gay life.
Repeat these things often enough and you can cement the brainwashing into your brain permanently.
Oops. Too late.

Rose42

Funny how people seem to think SCOTUS should make decisions based in popular opinion when they don’t get what they want

There is certainly no common sense in v****g for depravity and its another sign of how amoral society is. However its what they v**ed for.

straightUp Loc: California

You actually have it backwards. Roe v Wade simply said the government has no right to interfere and here you are implying the opposite. How can a government make a decision on something it's not even allowed to interfere with? It's actually, the so-called "pro-life" advocacy that is handing the authority to make decisions to the government through anti-a******n laws.

So you totally have it backwards.


What is being described here are the a******ns that occur where there is no access to qualified reproductive healthcare. In the UK, they do not crush the skulls of babies... the author is conflating different stories into his own dramatic narrative. In the UK, qualified doctors perform early-term a******ns. In Afghanistan where a******n is not permitted, women are brutally k*****g near birth babies out of desperation.

Once again, YOUR side, not mine is encouraging this reality.


Their are several industries built on the destruction of human life, including the tobacco industry and of course the the military-industrial complex, both of which are typically supported by Republican politics and NO ONE has an "interest" in k*****g unwanted pre-born babies just for the sake of k*****g them... That's just a sick fantasy.


Just decided to fast forward... I'm reading the headlines from your list and realizing that you just aren't getting it...

There are two things that need to happen to call something genocide. First, there has to be a concerted effort by a single party to k**l a large number of targeted people. In the case of a******n, that doesn't exist. What you have instead is a large number of women with unwanted pregnancies and they make the effort as individuals to terminate their own pregnancies. There is no master mind overseeing these a******ns as a genocide.

Secondly, the victims have to be people and this is the part you folks never get. In the the case of most regulated a******ns performed by qualified doctors the a******n happens before the embryo becomes a person. ALL of your arguments are predicated on the idea that a******ns are k*****g people and I am saying that as far as I am concerned, embryos are not people yet.

This is the fundamental disconnect between us that invalidates all the arguments either of of us have from each other's perspective. Convince me that an embryo in the first trimester is a person and you won't even need any of your other arguments, until then there's no point.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

This is biologically, medically & psychologically completely untrue.

straightUp Loc: California

That statement has no basis. Medicine is based on biology and nowhere in biology will you find the definition of a person. And to suggest psychology has anything to do with it is absurd. Psychology is a guessing game based on interviews with patients. Show me a fetus having an interview with a psychologist and I'll stop laughing.

Whether an embryo is a person or not is left up to our conflicting views. Religious views depend on assumptions made in scripture... For the Christians, a person is created at conception. The Jews believe what Kevyn said, to them it's the first draw of breath, which doesn't happen until birth. For scientifically-minded people like myself and maybe Kevyn too, we see pregnancy like any other type of biological t***sform where it takes some time to go from a divided cell to a person.

None of us have absolute claim on the t***h as much as each of us thinks we do.

straightUp Loc: California

Now you're getting it... Likewise, I think everything YOU say would make sense... If an embryo *IS* a person.


Easy guesses.


I too was appalled at about the same age, when I learned what desperate mothers did to their unborn children and I'm sure I was hearing the same stories that you were hearing. I'm still appalled, which is why I support regulated a******ns by qualified doctors as a more humane alternative to the hacks that women will be left with if medical a******ns are banned.


So you're speculating. You're not saying that a******n is k*****g a child directly, you're saying that it's k*****g what could potentially be a child. That's not the same thing. That's like charging someone who accidentally k**led one woman with the murder of six people because had she been left alive, she could have potentially given birth to six children.


I don't know who those left wing politicians are (and I kinda think you don't either) but my guess is that you're basing your speculation on false information.


I could pick any left-wing advocacy and find right wing "slippery-slope" reactions that always suggest incremental advances into dystopia. It's part of the fear factor that guides right wing rhetoric. I think you are confusing left wing politics with your own right-wing reactions.

jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana

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fullspinzoo

You think anybody reads your long winded bulls**t? You're a fkn more on. Biggest clown on OPP... and everybody h**es your intestines.

straightUp Loc: California

We expect the SCOTUS to do their job, which is to determine if decisions made in lower courts are constitutional. Not just to make decisions based on their own personal opinions. This has nothing to do with popular opinions.

Roe v Wade decided that according due process provisions written into the U.S. Constitution the government has no business interfering with a woman's pregnancy. The Constitution hasn't changed its mind on due process so the reversal of the decision actually goes against the responsibility of the court.

The point of bringing up the popular opinion, where 67% of the American people want the Roe v Wade decision upheld is to merely to point out the conflict between the popular opinion and the irresponsible decisions of a radicalized court AND to suggest that We The People lean on our democracy to codify the right to a******n in our laws.

Ultimately, Congress has the power to overrule the courts because Congress is the legislator not the bench.


There was never any v**e on the issue of a******n. Only court decisions. But, I agree the most recent decision favors the depravity of a government that invades a woman's privacy and subjects her body to stupid religious laws that make no concessions for reality. This is one of many reasons why I believe the most amoral force in the world is the church.

straightUp Loc: California

Do you think I care about your cry-baby opinion? Think again - ;)