Just to be accurate, the united states is a Democratic Republic.. the founders few crazy moves were partly because the considered the population to be very uneducated and uniformed as to needs of the new nation.. So they needed to select other people to actually v**e for them.. Hench the e*******l college..

It should be obvious that todays population is far better educated and better qualified to then past v**ers, that is called progress.. something none of the right wing wants to admit...

And further, even if what you wish was true, Democracy is in no way a stepping stone to C*******m in any way..

Seems you also fell for their BS English Masonic snooker games.
Where is the document that is proof of the American Patriots winning the war as true victor capturing the spoils of war they fought for? It doesn't exist.
It doesn't exist, because Washington and Franklin gave that power to King George in 1783 to make the decisions for who won the war in his 1783 Treaty of Paris. You only need to read the introduction. None of the American Patriots comprised of Paul's Raiders, Minute Men and supporting Colonist had a voice for how America would be governed, and the Rule of Law that was to be applied. No land ownership with free and clear title (allodial title), no Rule of Law choice for God's law/Natural Law, no Private banking choice, currency and commerce practices. All was lost including their freedoms, independence and their God given rights not recognized. No sovereignty was recognized for the common man what's so ever. All remained as they were prior to the war, Citizen Subjects and and an expanded group of Debt S***es.

Democratic Republic is an oxymoron just like the existence of a Sovereign Citizen. You cannot be both, you can only serve one master at a time.

Democracy = man-made laws to rule over its citizen subjects and can write laws making new crimes in perpetuity - ask Joe Biden to verify if this is what we have. This includes their Private Laws that too few will explore. LEGAL

Republic = in part is the Constitution as a charter of RIGHTS, TO PROTECT CERTAIN INALIENABLE RIGHTS given to us by our Creator that cannot be taken away — even if a majority of v**ers demand it. However, we collectively surrendered them. God's law and Natural Law, LAWFUL

The problem is we were deceived by the King's Treaty 1783, no definition of the structure for a Republic form of government and the responsibilities to it, and the acceptable Republican form of government to be instituted in each and every State, oath of office fraud in 1789 and that no one has sign the Constitution as their employment contract, except for dead men.
We the People as the employer of those that are to represent us do not hold them accountable as our employees. Too many are waiting on some plan to trust doing their work. Plus, our so called representatives/impersonators also never took their oath of office repeating the title of "this Constitution FOR the United States OF AMERICA" all cap words my emphasis. And they never signed up to it as their employment contract.

There is also the issue of broken chain of title between the founders' documents when using basic contract law as your guide. People don't want to read so they may never know this. They want to be told instead of acquiring their own knowledge.

The American people deserve what they consent to by their signature, v**e and or silence. Shame on them for what they will leave for their children, as they will never know the way it was to be.

Suggested as a first point of a discussion about v****g laws.

My first point is absolutely Citizenship. You must be a citizen of America. Some places are now allowing non citizens to v**e in local e******ns. Well, hell no. Yes, I know they might live there, and some seem to want them to have a right to v**e in their locality. Why? Because it affects their lives too. But they could be v****g in people that make laws that might affect American citizens. No non citizen should ever have the right to create laws in any way that affect American citizens. You might live there, but this is our country. Now there are two types of people besides citizens who are residing in America. Those that are legally here and under a valid visa, like a tourist, student, business. And there are those that are here illegally. Neither should have any rights over citizens as to who are leaders are. Under no circumstances. Period.
Example. Small town. Many Muslins. Then the government dumps thousands of Afghanistan refugees there. They get a local option and v**e in all Muslims into Government and then they start changing laws to match Sharia laws and require head covering on women. So the non Muslim women in that town are now required to wear head scarves or wh**ever. It starts small. Would you put up with that, because of the v**es of non citizens. Hell no.

Now age limits. Personally I would like to see the age limit raised to 21, maybe even 25. At eighteen, most kids don't really know what these leaders will do to/for them. They would v**e in a rock star. V**e in free schooling and forgive student loans. Didn't we just do that? And look what we got. They did nothing to earn the right to v**e besides breathing. They have biased teachers brainwashing ideologies on them. They haven't been able to grow enough to really see and understand what these leaders will do to and for them in the future.

And yet, some want to give the v**e to 17 year olds and are already starting that with the right to v**e in primaries in some states and/or cities. And remember, they have even stopped teaching them Civics. They have never read the Constitution or even the Bill of Rights. And can't read the original version because it is in script. In other words, they are less intellectually qualified then newly sworn in citizens. Of course, if some have their way, blanket citizenship for i******s will even eliminate that.

Maybe a law that even citizens have to have a basic understanding of Civics, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights in order to v**e, isn't a bad idea. What say you?

One more thing about the age limit. And here is where I have a rough idea with changing to higher age limits. The military. If they will sign up to risk their lives in potential combat to defend our country, they should be able to v**e on who is creating or reacting to threats to our country and the preparedness for their ability to carry out the mission. I'm not sure on the age limits and would like to see your opinions.

Another question is criminals. Convicted felons doing time? No. Absolutely not. Out on probations? No, absolutely not. They are still serving time. Forever? No. There should be some time where they earn that right to v**e again. I'd rather see something like a time limit after they finished their sentence, in years or based on the length of the sentence and no trouble after they are set free. And maybe a one time limit on getting that right to v**e again.

People who are to incompetent to v**e? That gets tricky. There are some people who just don't know what the hell is happening. We already have that with those we can't refuse the right to v**e. I'm talking about things like low I. Q. I mean real low I. Q. Or senile. They might have enough reality to really like somone or h**e someone. But knowledge of a whole b****t. And who would be helping them fill in that b****t. Tricky, but worthy of consideration. But not at the forefront on the issues. Those previously stated.

Well, that is my piece. What say you. Strictly on who should have the right to v**e. Please stay on topic. More topics later. And remember. Keep this civil. We want to really hear from both sides on what and why. Sound reasons for your opinions. This is our country.

Logically Right

Seems you also fell for their BS English Masonic snooker games.
Where is the document that is proof of the American Patriots winning the war as true victor capturing the spoils of war they fought for? It doesn't exist.
It doesn't exist, because Washington and Franklin gave that power to King George in 1783 to make the decisions for who won the war in his 1783 Treaty of Paris. You only need to read the introduction. None of the American Patriots comprised of Paul's Raiders, Minute Men and supporting Colonist had a voice for how America would be governed, and the Rule of Law that was to be applied. No land ownership with free and clear title (allodial title), no Rule of Law choice for God's law/Natural Law, no Private banking choice, currency and commerce practices. All was lost including their freedoms, independence and their God given rights not recognized. No sovereignty was recognized for the common man what's so ever. All remained as they were prior to the war, Citizen Subjects and and an expanded group of Debt S***es.

Democratic Republic is an oxymoron just like the existence of a Sovereign Citizen. You cannot be both, you can only serve one master at a time.

Democracy = man-made laws to rule over its citizen subjects and can write laws making new crimes in perpetuity - ask Joe Biden to verify if this is what we have. This includes their Private Laws that too few will explore. LEGAL

Republic = in part is the Constitution as a charter of RIGHTS, TO PROTECT CERTAIN INALIENABLE RIGHTS given to us by our Creator that cannot be taken away — even if a majority of v**ers demand it. However, we collectively surrendered them. God's law and Natural Law, LAWFUL

The problem is we were deceived by the King's Treaty 1783, no definition of the structure for a Republic form of government and the responsibilities to it, and the acceptable Republican form of government to be instituted in each and every State, oath of office fraud in 1789 and that no one has sign the Constitution as their employment contract, except for dead men.
We the People as the employer of those that are to represent us do not hold them accountable as our employees. Too many are waiting on some plan to trust doing their work. Plus, our so called representatives/impersonators also never took their oath of office repeating the title of "this Constitution FOR the United States OF AMERICA" all cap words my emphasis. And they never signed up to it as their employment contract.

There is also the issue of broken chain of title between the founders' documents when using basic contract law as your guide. People don't want to read so they may never know this. They want to be told instead of acquiring their own knowledge.

The American people deserve what they consent to by their signature, v**e and or silence. Shame on them for what they will leave for their children, as they will never know the way it was to be.

Do you know what limit means? to set the age *limit*at 21, is saying no one older then 21can v**e. lim·it
/ˈlimit/
noun

1.)a point or level beyond which something does not or may not extend or pass:
similar to...maximum, ceiling, limitation, upper limit. What you are referring to is a minimum age, which is the opposite of limit.

Please, also back up your accusations that they are not teaching students, the constitution, or civics, otherwise it is an uninformed baseless comment, and I'm not referring to one or two schools found, your implication was much more generalized and wide sweeping, basic misinformation. Anyone can read the constitution *not* from the original form, on line, most do. You'd have to go to DC it read the original.

Someone also needs to explain why pictured college ID's are not an acceptable form of v**er ID, that's ridiculous.

For the military, I think they should increase the age minimum to 21, when they are more mature and hopefully rational on the consequences of their actions. If they're old enough to drink they can v**e, lol.

The implications to allow someone to v**e by IQ, is unconstitutional and a slippery slope if pursued.

Looks like you're new here, glad you were able to get that off your chest, seems it was a long time coming. I will only comment on one issue, our governing, and where you stated, {Democratic Republic is an oxymoron} I disagree. Of course you can have both, one pertaining to the people at the helm of their own governance, the other being the laws we abide through our constitution and the representatives we've chosen to represent us through our e******ns.
And...
quote, "Democracy = man-made laws to rule over its citizen subjects and can write laws making new crimes in perpetuity - ask Joe Biden to verify if this is what we have. This includes their Private Laws that too few will explore. LEGAL" Interesting perspective...{making new crimes} In a sense this is true, but only becomes a crime when one disobeys the law, which is btw a *protection*.

Next, quote: "Republic = in part is the Constitution as a charter of RIGHTS, TO PROTECT CERTAIN INALIENABLE RIGHTS given to us by our Creator that cannot be taken away — even if a majority of v**ers demand it. However, we collectively surrendered them. God's law and Natural Law, LAWFUL"

This collection of laws doesn't ONLY include inalienable rights, but also our property and personal rights. One cannot surrender one's inalienable rights unless they've given away their freedom of thought. The only way I know that to be possible, is in mind control.

I take it you were educated in the public-school systems where the t***h would hurt your brain washed mind. if you don't have any reading comprehension sk**ls, don't read it will harm you thought process.
I did not write any of the following documents or history books. It's their words.

1781 https://911nwo.com/?p=7775 The meeting between the two Head Masons.
Also, on the Senate record - Excerpt from a 1956 speech, “GEORGE WASHINGTON’S SURRENDER” by Senator Joseph McCarthy (1908-1957.)
And many of the people of the land became Jews.” Esther 9:17.
“The confession of General Cornwallis to General Washington at Yorktown (Oct. 17, 1781) has been well hidden by historians. History books and textbooks have taught for years that when Cornwallis surrendered his army to General Washington that American independence came, and we lived happily ever after until the tribulations of the twentieth century.” Also, http://newensign.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Legions-of-Satan-Banning.pdf

1783 https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/paris.asp What Washington Franklin and all in government agreed to without any protest. This is the only legal document that tells you how the war ended and who won. I.e. King George III, the King's free and sovereign States, and the Holy Roman Empire. This cannot be disproved

1787 Constitution Convention, no document was ever created for We the People defining what form of a Republic we were to have. Therefore, Article IV, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution was breached: it reads as follows in simple English words. “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.” Not one State ever submitted their Constitution for certification being Republican in form. This cannot be disproved.

1789 the Fraudulent Oath of Office created by their First Act of Congress/Senate.
https://www.cop.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/The_Senates_First_Act_-_The_Oath_Act.htm
Please note, there is no titled document to be found anywhere in law or at law with the document title sworn to uphold. No one can find the document that was of them. We can however find the document with the title "this Constitution for the United States of America" as the organic Constitution given by, We the People to those in the States that are to represent us.

1791 would you disagree it was Washington and Hamilton that created the First Bank of the United States using King George's Private Bank having all foreign stockholders. Do you know what other NGOs that morphed into over the years?

Please know American history and its true foundations. Any questions?