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Oct 31, 2021 17:41:48   #
Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
Parky60 wrote:
None of your "research" contains any evidence showing Jesus was not a Jew. BUT, there is much scripitual evidence that He WAS. And do you actually think that the God of the universe would do something like this to purposefully mislead people? Sounds more like the the father of lies.

You claim that Jesus of Nazareth was never really a Jew. However, a brief look at Scripture makes it obvious that Jesus could have been nothing but a Jew.

There is much proof that Jesus was, in fact, Jewish. The very first verse of the New Testament clearly proclaims the Jewish ethnicity of Jesus: "The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham" (Matthew 1:1).

First, the name "Jesus" has clear Hebrew origins. Jesus is a transliteration of the Hebrew word Joshua, which is why some refer to Him as "Yeshua." The name means "Yahweh is salvation."

Second, Jesus was born in Bethlehem, a town occupied by Jewish people. Bethlehem had long been a Jewish settlement known as the city of David.

Third, Jesus' earthly parents were from Nazareth, a city of Jewish people. It is undeniable that first-century Nazareth was a small Jewish town.

Fourth, Jesus was born at the time of a census that required Jews to return to the towns of their ancestry. Joseph would not have traveled with a pregnant wife to Bethlehem for the census unless he was Jewish. Mary the mother of Jesus also had a Jewish ancestry. Luke's genealogy of Jesus likely traces Mary's side of the family and shows a connection to David and the tribe of Judah. Jesus' aunt and uncle, Zechariah and Elizabeth, were also Torah-observant Jews (Luke 1:6). Zechariah was a priest. The whole family took their Jewish faith very seriously. Hebrews 7:14 states, "For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah."

Fifth, Jesus was taken to the temple as an infant according to the Jewish law of Moses (Luke 2:22).

Sixth, Jesus was at the Jewish temple as a child according to Jewish custom (Luke 2:41-52).

Seventh, Jesus observed Jewish customs as an adult. He attended the synagogue on the Sabbath, traveled to Jerusalem for Passover, and told those He healed of skin disease to present themselves to the priests as required by the Law of Moses. Everything in the Gospel accounts indicates that Jesus was a Torah-observant, Sabbath-abiding Jewish man.

If you're going to argue against the Jewish heritage of Jesus, you must provide alternative answers to these seven historical facts. The burden of proof lies on you who is contradicting the Bible's clear evidence in this matter.
None of your "research" contains any evi... (show quote)


https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2014/08/29/the-word-jew-is-not-in-the-bible/

The Word Jew Is NOT In The Bible But Blunt Publisher Manipulation Is

By Biblicism Institute

“A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.” – Mark Twain

The word “Jew” did not come into existence until the year 1775 A.D., whereas the occurrences in the bible took place from around 4000 B.C. to 70 A.D.

WHO IS A JEW?

Its modern connotation points to someone who follows and adheres to a faith similar to that of the Pharisees of Judah, but is not of the tribe and stock of Judah. In other words, Jews are people from nations other than the 12 Hebrew tribes who practice a religion known as Judaism/Pharisaism, the doctrine of the Pharisees.

It is much like those who believe in Christ and are called Christians, in honor of the One whom they follow, and their religion is known as Christianity, the doctrine of Christ. If one were to say that all Christians are Judahites because Christ was of the tribe of Judah, it would be a fallacy. In much the same way, Jews are not Judahites (or Judeans).

In fact, the religion that is known as Judaism is actually Pharisaism. Judaism – as it pertains to Pharisaism – is a misnomer, since it is neither the doctrine of Judah nor the doctrine that Christ practiced, hence not an Abrahamic faith.

It is the pagan doctrine of the Pharisees of old, an evil creed they brought back from their Babylonian captivity. It does not follow the truth of the Bible, neither of the Old Testament nor of the New. Its central tenets are found in a book called the Talmud (the real Satanic Verses), a book full of worldly traditions, lies, and superstitions.

“The Babylonian Talmud is based on the mystical religious practices of the Babylonians which were assimilated by the Judahite Rabbis during their Babylonian captivity around 600 B.C.,” wrote Edward Hendrie in Solving the Mystery of Babylon the Great. “The Rabbis then used these occult traditions in place of the word of God.”

And that is why Jesus was constantly rebuking the Pharisees:

“You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44

“You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” Mark 7:8

“For you have taken away the key to knowledge.” Luke 11:52

“You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?” Matthew 23:33


WHAT IS THE WORD IN THE NON-TRANSLATED BIBLE?

In both the Old Testament Hebrew and the New Testament Greek, the word to be translated is always meant to be Judah or Judahite(s), of the physical tribe and stock of Judah. And Jews today are not of the tribe of Judah.

Hebrew Words in the Old Testament Bible: 1) Yehuwdah: Jehudah or Judah 2) Yehuwdiy: Jehudite or Judahite.

Greek Words in the New Testament Bible: 1) Iouda: Jehudah or Judah 2) Ioudaios: Jehudite or Judahite, or belonging to Jehudah/Judah.

Prior to 1775, when the English language was still in its infancy, IEWE was used to translate these words. Unlike the word Jew it was pronounced Yee-hoo-wee, stretching its best to imitate the original Hebrew phonetic of Ye-hu-wdiy.

According to Jewish-born Historian Benjamin H. Freedman, author of Facts Are Facts:

“The best known 18th century editions of the New Testament in English are the Rheims (Douai) Edition and the King James Authorized Edition. The Rheims (Douai) translation of the New Testament into English was first printed in 1582 but the word ‘Jew’ did not appear in it.

“The King James Authorized translation of the New Testament into English was begun in 1604 and first published in 1611. The word ‘Jew’ did not appear in it either. The word ‘Jew’ appeared in both these well known editions in their 18th century revised versions for the first times.

“When the word ‘Jew’ was first introduced into the English language in the 18th century its one and only implication, inference and innuendo was ‘Judean’. However, during the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries a well-organized and well-financed international ‘pressure group’ created a so-called ‘secondary meaning’ for the word ‘Jew’ among the English-speaking peoples of the world. This so-called ‘secondary meaning’ for the word ‘Jew’ bears no relation whatsoever to the 18th century original connotation of the word ‘Jew’. It is a misrepresentation.

“The present generally accepted secondary meaning of the word ‘Jew’ is fundamentally responsible for the confusion in the minds of Christians regarding elementary tenets of the Christian faith. It is likewise responsible today to a very great extent for the dilution of the devotion of countless Christians for their Christian faith.

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Oct 31, 2021 17:53:14   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
The Word Jew Is NOT In The Bible...

Funny, the word Jew(s) and Jewish show up numerous times in my KJV, NKJV and NASB bibles.

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Oct 31, 2021 19:08:54   #
Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
Parky60 wrote:
Funny, the word Jew(s) and Jewish show up numerous times in my KJV, NKJV and NASB bibles.


Did you read the article I just posted about how the word "Jew" was inserted into the Bible in the 18th century? Long before we were born! That's why you're reading it in your Bible.

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Oct 31, 2021 20:22:07   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
Did you read the article I just posted about how the word "Jew" was inserted into the Bible in the 18th century? Long before we were born! That's why you're reading it in your Bible.

And did you read that I wrote do you actually think that the God of the universe would do something like this to purposefully mislead people? Sounds more like the the father of lies.

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Oct 31, 2021 20:28:51   #
Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
Parky60 wrote:
And did you read that I wrote do you actually think that the God of the universe would do something like this to purposefully mislead people? Sounds more like the the father of lies.


The God of the universe did NOT do it - men did it! to mislead people, yes!! Judeo-Christian is an oxymoron. Judaism is from Satan, the father of lies!! Those who worship the father of lies did it to mislead the world into thinking that they are the Messiah.

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Oct 31, 2021 20:34:01   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
The God of the universe did NOT do it - men did it! to mislead people, yes!! Judeo-Christian is an oxymoron. Judaism is from Satan, the father of lies!! Those who worship the father of lies did it to mislead the world into thinking that they are the Messiah.

Do you think that the God of the universe would allow Satan to do that to purposely mislead a multitude of people?

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Oct 31, 2021 20:54:28   #
Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
Parky60 wrote:
Do you think that the God of the universe would allow Satan to do that to purposely mislead a multitude of people?


Yes, I do believe that God has removed His hedge of protection because Christians allowed the wicked to lead them without protesting. That's why we have so much immorality in the world today.

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Oct 31, 2021 22:52:51   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Parky60 wrote:
Do you think that the God of the universe would allow Satan to do that to purposely mislead a multitude of people?


Yes... You make that claim all the time...

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Nov 1, 2021 07:45:46   #
Rose42
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
The God of the universe did NOT do it - men did it! to mislead people, yes!! Judeo-Christian is an oxymoron. Judaism is from Satan, the father of lies!! Those who worship the father of lies did it to mislead the world into thinking that they are the Messiah.


You believe Jesus wasn’t a Jew but is still the Savior?

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Nov 1, 2021 11:34:00   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
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Nov 1, 2021 14:12:34   #
Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Yes... You make that claim all the time...



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Nov 1, 2021 14:18:58   #
Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
Rose42 wrote:
You believe Jesus wasn’t a Jew but is still the Savior?


Yes, Jesus is the only Messiah! He came for His "lost sheep" that they may hear the gospel and spread it all over the world. The purpose of which was to bring more repentant souls into the fold.

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Nov 2, 2021 02:46:06   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
“Messiah” envelops thousands of years of Hebrew/Jewish history, Hebrew/Jewish prophecy, and Hebrew/Jewish hope that ultimately culminated in Jesus Christ.

The word "Messiah" derives from the Hebrew word "Mashiach," meaning "the anointed one" or "the chosen one." It embodies the Jewish expectation of a coming deliverer predicted throughout Old Testament prophecy to the Jews, which was fulfilled in Jesus the Messiah.

Whenever anyone speaks of "Jesus Christ," he is referring to Jesus as Yeshua, the Messiah, because Christ means "Messiah" or "Anointed One," from the Greek "Christos," which was translated from the Hebrew "Mashiach," - the language of the Jews.

John 2:4-11: Meeting At The Well; Messiah to the World:

Unlike every other Jew, Jesus felt the need to go through Samaria, rather than around it by a longer route.

The Greek word for Jesus’ need to go through Samaria was "dei," definition: the necessity of law and command, of duty, of equity; the quality of being fair or impartial."

In Samaria, for the first time, Jesus impartially shared the Gospel with Gentiles (non-Jews) .

He and His disciples came to a town called Sychar. They stopped at a well that had been dug by Abraham’s grandson, Jacob. Jesus was tired, so He sat by the well. His disciples left Him there and went into town to buy food. It was about 6:00 in the evening at this time.

A woman from Samaria came to obtain well water. Jesus said to her, "Will you give me a drink?" - John 4:7

This appears to be a simple request, but it was much more! Jesus was a Jew, and a Jew rarely ever spoke to a Samaritan. And in addition, this Samaritan was a woman. In Jesus’ day, the Jewish authorities did not allow Jewish men to speak to women in public. By speaking to this Samaritan woman, Jesus proved Himself different from any other teacher, in that He was concerned about people, and indifferent to rules imposed by men.

The Samaritan woman said to Him, "You are a Jew. I am a Samaritan woman. How can You ask me for a drink?" She said this because Jews have nothing to do with Samaritans.

Jesus answered her, "You do not know what God's gift is. And you do not know Who is asking you for a drink. If you did, you would have asked Him. He would have given you living water." - John 4:9-10

This woman stood face to face with Emmanuel [God With Us], God’s own Son, yet she did not know Who He was. As always, Jesus knew this woman’s deepest need. As was His habit, Jesus used things that people could see to explain heavenly things that they could not see, speaking in an allegory. He spoke to her of living water. The Bible says that this water is a symbol for God’s Holy Spirit (John 7:37-39). But the woman did not understand that He was talking about spiritual things. She thought He meant actual water. To her, "living water" meant water that moved, i.e., water from a brook or stream. This water would be much fresher than the well water this woman was used to.

She asked Him where He could get such water. She even mentioned that the well they were at once belong to Abraham’s grandson. She asked Jesus how He could get water better than the water from Jacob’s well. She asked if Jesus was more important than Jacob. And as always, Jesus focused on that which was of greatest important.

Jesus answered, "All who drink this water will be thirsty again. But anyone who drinks the water I give him will never be thirsty. In fact, the water I give him will become a spring of water in him. It will flow up into eternal life." - John 4:13-14.

The woman said she would like to have this water, but she still did not fully understand. Jesus told her to go get her husband and come back. She said she did not have a husband. Jesus already knew this, and much more. Jesus knew her past, and her present.

Jesus said to her, "You are right when you say you have no husband. The fact is, you have had five husbands. And the man you have now is not your husband. What you have just said is very true."

"Sir," the woman said, "I can see that you are a prophet. Our people have worshiped on this mountain for a long time. But you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem." - John 4:17-20

The Jews and Samaritans argued over where the center of worship should be: at the Temple in Jerusalem, or a temple built by the Samaritans on Mt. Gerizim. Jesus spoke to what was most important.

Jesus said, "Believe me, woman. A time is coming when you will not worship the Father on this mountain or in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know. We worship what we do know. Salvation comes from the Jews.

"But a new time is coming. In fact, it is already here. True worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. They are the kind of worshipers the Father is looking for. God is spirit. His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth."

The woman said, "I know that Messiah is coming." (He is called Christ.) "When He comes, He will explain everything to us."

Then Jesus said, "I, the One speaking to you, am He." - John 4:21-26

This statement of our Lord in verse 26 is even more bold than simply a declaration of His identity as Messiah. When our Lord said, ‘I who speak to you am He,’ the ‘He’ is not present in the original text, but rather supplied by the translators. Jesus, therefore, made claim to be the ‘I AM’ of the Old Testament, where God instructed Moses to tell the Israelites that “I AM” sent you (Exodus 3:14).

Jesus claimed to be Messiah and God at that same moment.

Who did Jesus say He was? The Messiah, the Christ. Jesus could not have spoken more clearly about who He was. And though He said salvation must come through the Jews, it was not only for the Jews. Now, it was for the non-Jews, the “Gentiles,” as well.

At that precise time, Jesus’ disciples returned from town. They were very surprised to see Jesus talking to a woman, but they did not ask Him about it.

The woman had come to the well to retrieve water, but she received new life instead. She left her water jar by the well and ran back to town to tell others the Good News.

She said to the people: "Come. See a man who told me everything I've ever done. Could this be the Christ?" The people came out of the town and made their way toward Jesus.

His disciples were imploring of Him, "Rabbi, eat something!"

But He said to them, "I have food to eat that you know nothing about."

Then His disciples inquired of each other, "Did someone bring Him food?"

Jesus said, "My food is to do what My Father sent Me to do. My food is to finish His work."

"You say, 'Four months more, and then it will be harvest time.' But I tell you, open your eyes! Look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest right now. Those who gather the crop are already getting paid. They are already harvesting the crop for eternal life. So those who plant and those who gather can now be glad together."

"Here is a true saying. 'One plants and another gathers.' ” - John 4:29-37

His disciples wanted Jesus to eat the food they had bought Him from town. As was His habit, Jesus utilized something they could see (food) as a symbol of spiritual truths, for the food they bought in town would nourish their bodies, but the food realized in performing God’s work would nourish their souls.

As the crowd of people from town made their way up the hillside to see Him, Jesus compared them to a crop that was ready to be harvested. A regular crop takes months to prepare. First, the farmer plants the seeds, then he waters and the sun shines. Each seed grows slowly into a mature plant. Then it is time to harvest, or pick the grain. This day, Jesus spoke of a spiritual crop. The Samaritan woman had planted seeds of truth into the townspeople, and all those wishing to hear more were coming straight to Jesus and His disciples. That very day, many Samaritans believed in Jesus. The spiritual crop was harvested!

Although the disciples weren’t present when the woman first came to Jesus, they were privileged to help lead her friends and relative to new life in Christ. The Samaritans invited Jesus to stay with them for a few more days. The Bible says, “Many more became believers.” (John 4:41)


Ginny_Dandy wrote:
Yes, Jesus is the only Messiah! He came for His "lost sheep" that they may hear the gospel and spread it all over the world. The purpose of which was to bring more repentant souls into the fold.

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Nov 2, 2021 07:56:10   #
sabath
 
Mankind has many theory , God only speaks the truth.

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Nov 2, 2021 08:08:32   #
sabath
 
What you say ,I agree with,what I am saying is ,follow the sons of Joseph and you will find the beginning of Britton & America. Also, the throne of David is with queen Elizabeth

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