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Jun 12, 2022 13:16:30   #
sabath
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
What chapter and verse talks about the scepter and birthright?


The Holy Bible is the book of "the children of Israel". It's history,from Genesis to Revelation.is primarily the history of one nation, the Israelites.
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah.Genesis 49:10
But the birthright was Joseph"s . 1st.Chronicles 5:2
Neither Joseph nor his descendants were Jews.
Abraham gave all that he had to Isaac, Gen. 17:18-19-21,
Gen.25:5, 23, 27-34
A new name for Jacob, Gen.32:24-29
A multitude of people, Gen.48:2-4-5-13-14-15-16
gen.49:1, 8-10
the nations boundry, Gen.49:22, 25-26

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Jun 13, 2022 10:56:29   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Rather, The Holy Bible is the book of God! It is His revelation to his creation, all of mankind, of His existence and His purpose for us, through Jesus, the Christ.

You quoted only half of Genesis 49:10, sabath. You left off the "until," and the rest of the verse:

"The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes,

And to Him shall be the obedience of the peoples. Genesis 49:10

In Genesis 49.9-10 the scepter and the staff are symbols of Kingship, foreseeing the future King and Messiah Jesus (the law-giver to Moses, and descendant of King David), Christ as both the Good Shepherd, and future Ruler.

The name Shiloh is associated both with "MoSheH" (משה, Moses), whose name has the same numerical value as the word "ShiLoH" (שילה)... and with the Mashiach, (the Hebrew Messiah; in Greek: the Christ).

This translation, interpretation and understanding of the promised Messiah is also recorded in the Targum Onkelos in the first century A.D.; "Shiloh" is seen as a reference to Jesus, the Messiah, as well among Christians.

Joseph, son of Jacob, was foundational to the survival of the Jewish people in Egypt. Had Joseph been killed, or had he failed to conduct himself with wisdom in Pharoah's court, he could have disappeared into the slave markets of Egypt. When the Jews left Egypt after 430 years, Moses went straight to the Nile to recover Joseph's remains and bring them out of Egypt, for burial in the Land of Promise.

The Tribe of Joseph is one of the Tribes of Israel in biblical tradition. Since Ephraim and Manasseh were each counted as half a tribe, they together traditionally constituted the tribe of Joseph, it was often not listed as one of the tribes, Ephraim and Manasseh being listed in Joseph's place; consequently it was often termed the House of Joseph, rather than the use of the term tribe.

Joseph was a Jew, as were all of Jacob's descendants. The Hebrews, Israelites, Jews became interchangeable in the New Testament when referencing those descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who were the chosen of God to inherit the land of promise.


sabath wrote:
The Holy Bible is the book of "the children of Israel". It's history,from Genesis to Revelation.is primarily the history of one nation, the Israelites.
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah.Genesis 49:10
But the birthright was Joseph"s . 1st.Chronicles 5:2
Neither Joseph nor his descendants were Jews.
Abraham gave all that he had to Isaac, Gen. 17:18-19-21,
Gen.25:5, 23, 27-34
A new name for Jacob, Gen.32:24-29
A multitude of people, Gen.48:2-4-5-13-14-15-16
gen.49:1, 8-10
the nations boundry, Gen.49:22, 25-26
The Holy Bible is the book of "the children o... (show quote)

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Jun 14, 2022 09:27:54   #
sabath
 
Zemirah wrote:
Rather, The Holy Bible is the book of God! It is His revelation to his creation, all of mankind, of His existence and His purpose for us, through Jesus, the Christ.

You quoted only half of Genesis 49:10, sabath. You left off the "until," and the rest of the verse:

"The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes,

And to Him shall be the obedience of the peoples. Genesis 49:10

In Genesis 49.9-10 the scepter and the staff are symbols of Kingship, foreseeing the future King and Messiah Jesus (the law-giver to Moses, and descendant of King David), Christ as both the Good Shepherd, and future Ruler.

The name Shiloh is associated both with "MoSheH" (משה, Moses), whose name has the same numerical value as the word "ShiLoH" (שילה)... and with the Mashiach, (the Hebrew Messiah; in Greek: the Christ).

This translation, interpretation and understanding of the promised Messiah is also recorded in the Targum Onkelos in the first century A.D.; "Shiloh" is seen as a reference to Jesus, the Messiah, as well among Christians.

Joseph, son of Jacob, was foundational to the survival of the Jewish people in Egypt. Had Joseph been killed, or had he failed to conduct himself with wisdom in Pharoah's court, he could have disappeared into the slave markets of Egypt. When the Jews left Egypt after 430 years, Moses went straight to the Nile to recover Joseph's remains and bring them out of Egypt, for burial in the Land of Promise.

The Tribe of Joseph is one of the Tribes of Israel in biblical tradition. Since Ephraim and Manasseh were each counted as half a tribe, they together traditionally constituted the tribe of Joseph, it was often not listed as one of the tribes, Ephraim and Manasseh being listed in Joseph's place; consequently it was often termed the House of Joseph, rather than the use of the term tribe.

Joseph was a Jew, as were all of Jacob's descendants. The Hebrews, Israelites, Jews became interchangeable in the New Testament when referencing those descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who were the chosen of God to inherit the land of promise.
Rather, The Holy Bible is the book of God! It is H... (show quote)


Abraham Was Not A Jew, And Neither Was Jacob
Contrary to what many Bible teachers teach and most Christians misunderstood, Abraham was a Hebrew but not a Jew. Jacob was Israel and a Hebrew but not a Jew. Abraham or Abram (his birth name) was called a Hebrew for he was a Hebrew (Genesis 14:13).
Why is that so hard for you to understand? God separated Judah from the rest of Israel. After the 2nd. comming of Jesus, we will all,whose name is written in the book, be Gods children! Jeremiah 31:31-37

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Jun 14, 2022 09:35:07   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
sabath wrote:
Abraham Was Not A Jew, And Neither Was Jacob
Contrary to what many Bible teachers teach and most Christians misunderstood, Abraham was a Hebrew but not a Jew. Jacob was Israel and a Hebrew but not a Jew. Abraham or Abram (his birth name) was called a Hebrew for he was a Hebrew (Genesis 14:13).
Why is that so hard for you to understand? God separated Judah from the rest of Israel. After the 2nd. comming of Jesus, we will all,whose name is written in the book, be Gods children! Jeremiah 31:31-37
Abraham Was Not A Jew, And Neither Was Jacob br Co... (show quote)


I’m not waiting for the 2nd coming, neither are any other Christians.

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Jun 14, 2022 15:43:57   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
sabath wrote:
Abraham Was Not A Jew, And Neither Was Jacob
Contrary to what many Bible teachers teach and most Christians misunderstood, Abraham was a Hebrew but not a Jew. Jacob was Israel and a Hebrew but not a Jew. Abraham or Abram (his birth name) was called a Hebrew for he was a Hebrew (Genesis 14:13).
Why is that so hard for you to understand? God separated Judah from the rest of Israel. After the 2nd. comming of Jesus, we will all,whose name is written in the book, be Gods children! Jeremiah 31:31-37
Abraham Was Not A Jew, And Neither Was Jacob br Co... (show quote)


sabath, I see no separation in God's words in speaking to the Israelites through Moses, four hundred plus years after he had renamed Jacob, giving him the name Israel, - He called Himself the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Exodus 3:15
God also told Moses, "Say to the Israelites, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers--the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob--has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.'"

In Matthew 22:31-32 in the New Testament, [Jesus said] "But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what God said to you: ‘I AM the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.'”

All those within the church, the ecclesia - the "called out" ones, all believers in Jesus Christ - the Messiah, the Son of God, the 2nd Divine person within the Triune God of Scripture, as the Bible describes Him (and not "another Jesus)" become the children of God at the moment of their adoption/conversion.

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Jun 14, 2022 17:58:19   #
sabath
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
I’m not waiting for the 2nd coming, neither are any other Christians.


I bet you are waiting for the rapture

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Jun 14, 2022 19:47:52   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
sabath wrote:
I bet you are waiting for the rapture


Nope, I’m a son of God now!
But I’m looking forward to it!

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Jun 15, 2022 09:04:45   #
sabath
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Nope, I’m a son of God now!
But I’m looking forward to it!


Do you do what Christ says we must do?
Do you celebrate christmas and easter sunday?
Why did Jesus say, "remember the Sabbath day: the 4th commandment?
Do you believe there will be a rapture

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Jun 15, 2022 09:49:50   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
sabath wrote:
Do you do what Christ says we must do?
Do you celebrate christmas and easter sunday?
Why did Jesus say, "remember the Sabbath day: the 4th commandment?
Do you believe there will be a rapture


Hebrews teaches about entering God’s rest. That’s my goal, to stop striving and have peace, His peace.
Of course I believe in the rapture!
Don’t you?

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Jun 17, 2022 10:57:58   #
sabath
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Hebrews teaches about entering God’s rest. That’s my goal, to stop striving and have peace, His peace.
Of course I believe in the rapture!
Don’t you?


remember, you cannot stop striving, "He who endures to the end shall be saved". The end is not a rapture, it's when Christ comes in the clouds,the dead shall rise first.ect....there is no secret rapture. when he comes,every eye will see him. Our rapture will be when we are raised from the Dead,all must die and be raised as spirits to be borne again.
Jesus said, you must be borne again.when that happens, you will be spirit, no longer human! If people on earth can see you,you have not been borne again.
Jesus explained this to Nicodemus, the wind bloweth where it listeth,and thou hearest the sound thereof,but canst not tell whence it cometh,and whither it goeth,so is everyone that is borne of the spirit. John 3:8

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Jun 17, 2022 11:22:52   #
sabath
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Nope, I’m a son of God now!
But I’m looking forward to it!


Those who repent and keep my commandments! SHALL be saved - not are saved. How do you know that your name is written in the Book of Life?
He said -you better pray daily that you will be there! Anyone can lose their salvation. remember the 10 women with the 10 candles ? 5 entered & 5 did not.

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Jun 17, 2022 12:12:30   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
sabath wrote:
remember, you cannot stop striving, "He who endures to the end shall be saved". The end is not a rapture, it's when Christ comes in the clouds,the dead shall rise first.ect....there is no secret rapture. when he comes,every eye will see him. Our rapture will be when we are raised from the Dead,all must die and be raised as spirits to be borne again.
Jesus said, you must be borne again.when that happens, you will be spirit, no longer human! If people on earth can see you,you have not been borne again.
Jesus explained this to Nicodemus, the wind bloweth where it listeth,and thou hearest the sound thereof,but canst not tell whence it cometh,and whither it goeth,so is everyone that is borne of the spirit. John 3:8
remember, you cannot stop striving, "He who e... (show quote)


Hogwash!
Read Thessalonians 4:17 again.

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Jun 19, 2022 12:48:18   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
sabath, You are writing the word "Borne," and its meaning is very much like being raptured.

"borne" is an adjective.

"borne" means:
1) Carried or transported by. (Often used in combination.)
2) Transmitted by.
3) carried, supported.

Do you by any chance mean "born?" as in born again?

“Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council [the Sanhedrin]. He came to Jesus at night…” (John 3:1-2).

Nicodemus seemed to recognize and acknowledge the authority of Jesus, saying, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him” (John 3:2).

Jesus replied in verse 3 that anyone who wants to truly honor God must take a bold step – to be reborn. Nicodemus, puzzled by this instruction, wanted to know more.

“Jesus replied, ‘Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again’” (John 3:3).

"You must be born again." Jesus’ message to the Pharisee Nicodemus applies to every other believer as well: at the moment we believe upon Jesus for eternal life, we are cleansed of all sin by the Holy Spirit, who then indwells us for the rest of our life, for as Jesus promised, "He will never leave you."

The Holy Spirit will never leave you. If you are a new creation in Christ, the Holy Spirit has come to live with you permanently. You have become the temple of the Holy Spirit, and He will be with you forever. The Holy Spirit is a gift from God Who will never, ever leave you.

[Jesus said] "And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever. (John 14:16)

Because we truly desire to follow God, and have faith in Jesus, He gives us the precious gift of the renewal of our own spirit.
Not only this, but as pastor - author John Walvoord put it: “As is true of man who is born naturally and receives a human nature from his parents, so a man who is "born again" is literally born anew spiritually, receiving a new nature, which gives him a new ability to serve God and be devoted to Him.”

If we have died in Christ before the rapture, when we are called forth from the grave, we receive a glorified resurrection body just as Jesus did. Our resurrection bodies are our earthly bodies, only glorified. The bodies we receive in the resurrection will have the same qualities as the glorified resurrection body of Christ. "We know that when He appears we shall be like Him" (1 John 3:2).

It will be a body that is not subject to disease and death any longer. It will be in all points perfect, as the Lord Jesus Christ's body is also perfect. Jesus Has a Glorified Body after his resurrection, Jesus was not walking around as a disembodied spirit. He could be seen, and He ate meals with His disciples.

The traditional translation of Psalm 46:10 is, “Be still and know that I am God!”

The Hebrew verb that is translated “be still” means to stop. It is a command also translated as “cease striving,” “surrender,” “stop,” “desist,” and “make peace.

“[Cease striving] Be still and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations; I will be exalted in the earth” (Psalm 46:10).


sabath wrote:
remember, you cannot stop striving, "He who endures to the end shall be saved". The end is not a rapture, it's when Christ comes in the clouds,the dead shall rise first.ect....there is no secret rapture. when he comes,every eye will see him. Our rapture will be when we are raised from the Dead,all must die and be raised as spirits to be borne again.
Jesus said, you must be borne again.when that happens, you will be spirit, no longer human! If people on earth can see you,you have not been borne again.
Jesus explained this to Nicodemus, the wind bloweth where it listeth,and thou hearest the sound thereof,but canst not tell whence it cometh,and whither it goeth,so is everyone that is borne of the spirit. John 3:8
remember, you cannot stop striving, "He who e... (show quote)

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