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Apr 3, 2020 02:22:53   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I never denied the threat for some. Elderly are always at risk for newly created diseases or v***s. But, for people who are reasonably heathy, even if they get sick survive. The k**l rate of this v***s is extremely low. Much better than the last gift from China--9.6% compared to c****av***s fatality rate of 2.1%, but that may change.

The damage done to the economy will be lasting. All the progress sidelined by fear.

But, on a brighter note....the world has grown quitter, noise in the oceans has a positive affect on whales, the ozone layer is healing, and air pollution in China has improved......and businesses now know who can work from home, and which jobs can be eliminated. It is a new world and we are just on the cusp of redesigning our lives to meet the new challenges.
I never denied the threat for some. Elderly are a... (show quote)


Many good things will come of this... God takes, God gives....

Hopefully the West will realize that there are some industries that should never be allowed outside the nation... And people will value health more...

Many new policies are coming from it over here... Especially in sanitation and the food industry....

Sorry if there was any negativity or lack of civility on my part....

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Apr 3, 2020 02:33:27   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
dtucker300 wrote:
I thought H1N1 originated in Mexico. but was identified in the United States who immediately informed Mexico and worked with them to mitigate the p******c.


You are correct.... it came from Mexico....not New Mexico. https://v******yj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-6-207

The 2009 swine H1N1 flu p******c -- responsible for more than 17,000 deaths worldwide -- originated in pigs from a very small region in central Mexico, a research team headed by investigators at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. Researchers used state-of-the-art genetic analysis to identify the precise location and the main molecular t***sformations that allowed a pig influenza v***s to jump into humans. They found that the v***s responsible was a mix of one North American swine v***s that had jumped between birds, humans, and pigs, and a second Eurasian swine v***s, that circulated for more than 10 years in pigs in Mexico before jumping into humans. Previously, the most closely related ancestor v***ses to the 2009 H1N1 v***s were identified in Asian swine, but they were not as close genetically to the human 2009 p******c H1N1 v***s as the swine Mexican isolates found in this study.

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Apr 3, 2020 02:35:56   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Wildlandfirefighter wrote:
The planeload of supplies that the Patriot's owner just flew back from China for hospitals in Boston and NYC was I think 1.7 million N95 masks. Lets sure hope they are of at least functioning quality. It is just so sad to me that we have to get N95 masks and other things from China. We really need to get the Defense Production Act cranked up to full throttle and get this stuff made here to the extent possible and as soon as possible.


Agreed. Let us hope DC is paying attention!

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Apr 3, 2020 02:39:54   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Pennylynn wrote:
You are correct.... it came from Mexico....not New Mexico. https://v******yj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-6-207

The 2009 swine H1N1 flu p******c -- responsible for more than 17,000 deaths worldwide -- originated in pigs from a very small region in central Mexico, a research team headed by investigators at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. Researchers used state-of-the-art genetic analysis to identify the precise location and the main molecular t***sformations that allowed a pig influenza v***s to jump into humans. They found that the v***s responsible was a mix of one North American swine v***s that had jumped between birds, humans, and pigs, and a second Eurasian swine v***s, that circulated for more than 10 years in pigs in Mexico before jumping into humans. Previously, the most closely related ancestor v***ses to the 2009 H1N1 v***s were identified in Asian swine, but they were not as close genetically to the human 2009 p******c H1N1 v***s as the swine Mexican isolates found in this study.
You are correct.... it came from Mexico....not New... (show quote)


Interesting. I was always under the impression that most p******cs throughout history originated in the Far East (not the South East). Not all, just that it is the most common area for p******cs to originate. And maybe that doesn't hold true since the opening of the Western Hemisphere to european colonization five centuries ago.

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Apr 3, 2020 02:46:08   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Pennylynn wrote:
You are correct.... it came from Mexico....not New Mexico. https://v******yj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-6-207

The 2009 swine H1N1 flu p******c -- responsible for more than 17,000 deaths worldwide -- originated in pigs from a very small region in central Mexico, a research team headed by investigators at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. Researchers used state-of-the-art genetic analysis to identify the precise location and the main molecular t***sformations that allowed a pig influenza v***s to jump into humans. They found that the v***s responsible was a mix of one North American swine v***s that had jumped between birds, humans, and pigs, and a second Eurasian swine v***s, that circulated for more than 10 years in pigs in Mexico before jumping into humans. Previously, the most closely related ancestor v***ses to the 2009 H1N1 v***s were identified in Asian swine, but they were not as close genetically to the human 2009 p******c H1N1 v***s as the swine Mexican isolates found in this study.
You are correct.... it came from Mexico....not New... (show quote)


Good article... Not sure where they came up with the assumption that it was first detected in Mexico... But even the articles only states that it probably originated in Mexico...

The CDC appearance to disagree...

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/information_h1n1_v***s_qa.htm

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Apr 3, 2020 02:55:22   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Interesting. I was always under the impression that most p******cs throughout history originated in the Far East (not the South East). Not all, just that it is the most common area for p******cs to originate. And maybe that doesn't hold true since the opening of the Western Hemisphere to european colonization five centuries ago.


Influenza v***s do originate, for the most part, in the far east. However, the Third and Sixth Cholera P******c originated in India. AIDS in Africa. Black Plague came from Asia. Plague of Galen came from Egypt and the Plague of Justinian came from the Mediterranean most probably from Constantinople. Learned about this in my Cultural Anthropology courses....then I vetted what the professor taught.

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Apr 3, 2020 02:56:06   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Good article... Not sure where they came up with the assumption that it was first detected in Mexico... But even the articles only states that it probably originated in Mexico...

The CDC appearance to disagree...

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/information_h1n1_v***s_qa.htm


Who you gonna believe? Can we absolutely trust what the WHO says, the CDC, or any government? History gets revised as more is revealed and learned. I don't know which is the most accurate.

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Apr 3, 2020 03:05:19   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Good article... Not sure where they came up with the assumption that it was first detected in Mexico... But even the articles only states that it probably originated in Mexico...

The CDC appearance to disagree...

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/information_h1n1_v***s_qa.htm


CDC information is from 2009, long before the 2016 investigation by Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. Here is a link to what I pasted in my response https://www.mountsinai.org/about/newsroom/2016/researchers-discover-the-2009-swine-flu-p******c-originated-in-mexico

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Apr 3, 2020 03:07:37   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Who you gonna believe? Can we absolutely trust what the WHO says, the CDC, or any government? History gets revised as more is revealed and learned. I don't know which is the most accurate.


On the other hand, one independent article should invoke our trust?

For the record, I like to take information with a grain of salt an try to independently verify what I am told...

Social media makes that both easier and more difficult... I can connect to people all over the world, but have no power to cettify that what they say is true...

Historically, no plague or epidemic has ever been truly contained... It's the precautions we take during them that define us...

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Apr 3, 2020 03:08:47   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Pennylynn wrote:
CDC information is from 2009, long before the 2016 investigation by Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. Here is a link to what I pasted in my response https://www.mountsinai.org/about/newsroom/2016/researchers-discover-the-2009-swine-flu-p******c-originated-in-mexico


I read the link... It is the first one that came up on my search... The CDC one was the second...

And the link doesn't give a source as to why it describes Mexico as having the first cases...

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Apr 3, 2020 04:00:26   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I read the link... It is the first one that came up on my search... The CDC one was the second...

And the link doesn't give a source as to why it describes Mexico as having the first cases...


They are the source, they went to Mexico and California (where the patients zero were identified) and took samples, ran the labs, grew the bug, pulled apart its DNA....The study was funded by the NIH’s Centers of Excellence for Influenza Research and Surveillance and NIH’s Fogarty International Center. And it is the most up-to-date information. Apparently you did not like that foundation's finding.

But, since their investigation is substandard to what you are used to, then go ahead....blame the USA for H1N1....

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Apr 3, 2020 04:30:39   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Pennylynn wrote:
They are the source, they went to Mexico and California (where the patients zero were identified) and took samples, ran the labs, grew the bug, pulled apart its DNA....The study was funded by the NIH’s Centers of Excellence for Influenza Research and Surveillance and NIH’s Fogarty International Center. And it is the most up-to-date information. Apparently you did not like that foundation's finding.

But, since their investigation is substandard to what you are used to, then go ahead....blame the USA for H1N1....
They are the source, they went to Mexico and Calif... (show quote)


The investigation is not substandard.... They appear to have done an admirable job.. But they do use qualifiers for their findings...

And regardless, America did fail to contain the v***s...

My point is not to cast blame... But to highlight the difficulties involved in containing an outbreak...

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Apr 3, 2020 06:10:34   #
Tug484
 
rumitoid wrote:
Arkansas, Iowa, South Carolina! What are you thinking? Shut down now! You do not see a single Democrat acting this Recklessly.

I’ve got some words for the governors of Alabama, Arkansas, Missouri and the eight other states that have yet to adopt statewide stay-at-home orders to stop the spread of the c****av***s p******c. And they’re not nice words.

What the #@*& are you waiting for?

As I was writing this, the confirmed cases of C****-** across the globe topped 1 million. Nearly a quarter of them in the United States. Every state has cases. Every. State.

So far, 39 U.S. states have followed the recommendations of public health experts and told all their residents to stay at home and shut down nonessential businesses to make it harder for the v***s to spread. A few states have localized shutdowns and way too many have no restrictions at all. That's dangerous for their residents and for all of us. V***ses don't respect borders. All states need to take the same measures to create an effective barrier against community spread.

And do so immediately.

In this p******c, time matters. There's mounting evidence that the SARS-CoV-2 v***s can be spread by people without symptoms, which makes early intervention important. Waiting until hospitals are overrun is costly and deadly.

Those states that took steps early will probably fare better than those that waited until just the last few days to take action. California and Washington were among the first wave, and there are signs that their social distancing measures are working.

States that moved slowly, such as Florida and Georgia, might not be so fortunate. It wasn't until his state had about 8,000 confirmed cases that Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Wednesday finally relented to pressure to issue a statewide order. He had resisted doing so, he said, because President Trump hadn't told him to. Way to show leadership, governor! Who knows how many people have been or will be hurt by this foot-d**gging.

Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp wasn't just boneheadly stubborn, his staff went to far as to chastise local governments for issuing their own stay-at-home orders to quell surges in C****-** cases. On Wednesday he, too, gave in and ordered statewide social distancing measures.

Why had it taken him so long to reach this sensible conclusion? Kemp explained that he didn't realize until then that people without symptoms could spread the v***s. Despite the fact that health officials have been making that very point practically since the day the outbreak reached the United States in January.

Well, now he knows. And so do the holdout governors of Alabama, Arkansas, Iowa, Missouri, North Dakota, Nebraska, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah and Wyoming.

Stop stalling. Do the right thing. Protect your people and tell them to stay at home.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-arkansas-kansas-south-carolina-221529187.html
Arkansas, Iowa, South Carolina! What are you think... (show quote)


Then your dear old Pelosi went to China town and told everybody to come at the end if February.
Now she wants to go after Trump for not taking it seriously.
I won't even mention that dumb governor in michigan that Biden seems to want for VP.

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Apr 3, 2020 06:21:21   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
rumitoid wrote:
Arkansas, Iowa, South Carolina! What are you thinking? Shut down now! You do not see a single Democrat acting this Recklessly.

I’ve got some words for the governors of Alabama, Arkansas, Missouri and the eight other states that have yet to adopt statewide stay-at-home orders to stop the spread of the c****av***s p******c. And they’re not nice words.

What the #@*& are you waiting for?

As I was writing this, the confirmed cases of C****-** across the globe topped 1 million. Nearly a quarter of them in the United States. Every state has cases. Every. State.

So far, 39 U.S. states have followed the recommendations of public health experts and told all their residents to stay at home and shut down nonessential businesses to make it harder for the v***s to spread. A few states have localized shutdowns and way too many have no restrictions at all. That's dangerous for their residents and for all of us. V***ses don't respect borders. All states need to take the same measures to create an effective barrier against community spread.

And do so immediately.

In this p******c, time matters. There's mounting evidence that the SARS-CoV-2 v***s can be spread by people without symptoms, which makes early intervention important. Waiting until hospitals are overrun is costly and deadly.

Those states that took steps early will probably fare better than those that waited until just the last few days to take action. California and Washington were among the first wave, and there are signs that their social distancing measures are working.

States that moved slowly, such as Florida and Georgia, might not be so fortunate. It wasn't until his state had about 8,000 confirmed cases that Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Wednesday finally relented to pressure to issue a statewide order. He had resisted doing so, he said, because President Trump hadn't told him to. Way to show leadership, governor! Who knows how many people have been or will be hurt by this foot-d**gging.

Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp wasn't just boneheadly stubborn, his staff went to far as to chastise local governments for issuing their own stay-at-home orders to quell surges in C****-** cases. On Wednesday he, too, gave in and ordered statewide social distancing measures.

Why had it taken him so long to reach this sensible conclusion? Kemp explained that he didn't realize until then that people without symptoms could spread the v***s. Despite the fact that health officials have been making that very point practically since the day the outbreak reached the United States in January.

Well, now he knows. And so do the holdout governors of Alabama, Arkansas, Iowa, Missouri, North Dakota, Nebraska, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah and Wyoming.

Stop stalling. Do the right thing. Protect your people and tell them to stay at home.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-arkansas-kansas-south-carolina-221529187.html
Arkansas, Iowa, South Carolina! What are you think... (show quote)



Arkansas
The outbreak has shuttered schools, closed restaurant dining rooms and forced many Arkansans out of work or to work from home. In the United States, more than 1,000 people have died and more than 100,000 people have confirmed cases of the v***s (more than any other country).
https://www.baxterbulletin.com/story/news/2020/03/31/c****av***s-arkansas-updates-governor-hutchinson-press-conference-c****-**/2932111001/

Iowa
Gov. Reynolds signs new proclamation continuing State Public Health Emergency Declaration
https://governor.iowa.gov/press-release/gov-reynolds-signs-new-proclamation-continuing-state-public-health-emergency-1

South Carolina
By Ray Rivera | March 31, 2020 at 1:24 PM EDT - Updated March 31 at 10:23 PM
CHARLESTON, S.C. (WCSC) - Gov. Henry McMaster has ordered the closure of all non-essential business in South Carolina in order to combat the spread of C****-**.
https://www.live5news.com/2020/03/31/gov-mcmaster-hold-news-briefing-thursday-afternoon/

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Apr 3, 2020 07:01:33   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Pennylynn wrote:
We, my family and friends, are HORRIFIED by the way China handled THEIR v***s and subsequent outbreak. We are HORRIFIED that they held a celebration inviting over 1,000 people to the epic center of THEIR v***s and then allowed them to fly to all parts of the world.

Whist it is true, we Americans should have acted much sooner to refuse to allow planes and ships coming from China to land or disembark on our soil. But, I suspect even had we closed down international flights in December, it would have been too late. Yes, we should have hoarded medical equipment and supplies rather than sending plane loads to China to combat THEIR v***s. Yes, we should have abridged the rights of our citizens with full lock downs to homes after China enabled THEIR v***s to spread globally. We mishandled this p******c.....but, my bet we will survive this, become more self sustainable, and we will be prepared the next time a new v***s escapes China.
We, my family and friends, are HORRIFIED by the wa... (show quote)



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