JoyV

The whistle blower who says Trump made a secret promise regarding we don't know what to an unknown person over the phone?

JoyV

What policies of Obama was destroying their economy? Obama's foreign policies were mostly focused around which unallied country should get the biggest concessions.

His Russian sanctions were a joke which only hurt Americans. That's why Trump replaced it with sanctions that had teeth.

Navigator

Don't be so stupid. Every President has had dozens of private conversations with foreign leaders. In point of fact, there are many things talked about behind closed doors between the leaders of different countries that would not be talked about at all if it was known that others were listening.

Navigator

I hope you realize that every thing you just posted is a complete fantasy.

Seth

Excellent observation.

straightUp Loc: California

Very well stated... I agree that the president should be more t***sparent especially when communicating with foreign dignitaries especially when they have a record of American opposition. Of course there are at times, valid reason for a president being secretive... the confidentiality of a court trial being one and war being another. That's it. Everything else should be open.

Trump spent an hour in secrecy with the dictator who is constantly threatening us with warheads. WTF could he have possibly said that we shouldn't know about? I bet no one here can answer that question. I can... NOTHING!

Judging by his blatant character I would say there is a very good chance Trump's secretive communication with foreign leaders is about s**mming. Obviously stuff he can't let the American people know about.

Seth

Funny, Obama had all sorts of private communications with foreign leaders, and I never heard any lefties wondering what he and Vladimir Putin had to discuss after the e******n, when Obama could be more "flexible."

-- "Hypocrisy strikes again!"

straightUp Loc: California

Does it matter? We KNOW he talked to Kim Jong-un in secrecy. I don't think it matter as much who he talked in secrecy, as much as it matters that he does.


Are you really asking that question? The CIA and the FBI are both part of Trump's administration. Why would a whistleblower report to the same organization that he's blowing the whistle on?

I know you're in love with Donald but sweetheart - you gotta let go. He's a very, very bad person. He tortures children for crying out loud.

Seth

JoyV

I wouldn't use the word "secret" to describe confidential conversations with foreign leaders.

So should I assume you spoke out against the Iran nuclear deal? Or does your outrage at "secretive communication with foreign leaders who are threatening us with warheads" only extend to Trump?

Russia is not about to fire its missiles at us as they are not suicidal and know we would fire back. But fundamentalist leaders who don't care if their country is destroyed so long as they take out us and Israel, is a far greater worry. And if they can send up a space launch, and the they have been enriching uranium during the treaty (which actually allowed it at 10+ times the level needed for nuclear power plants), and have been testing long range ICBM missiles for several years which was also allowed by the treaty; then they are very close to being able to launch nukes into mainland America.

straightUp Loc: California

Seth - before you start shooting your mouth - make sure you can actually back it up. As far as I know there is ZERO evidence that Obama tried to hide communications with foreign leaders. He might have had a moment or two alone with a few of them but he wasn't hiding it. That means one of two things... Either he didn't or if he did, it didn't involve any concern that would cause anyone to blow a whistle.

Maybe you just wish Obama was as bad as Trump. Well, this is going to piss off the r****ts on this site but he isn't. In fact, Obama is ten times the man Trump could ever be. The vast majority of the people in the world admire and respect Obama while they look at Trump with utter disgust. I know you know this seth.

Don't you get tired of always trying to justify what Trump does by pretending that Obama did it too in an effort to pull the hypocrisy card on liberals? It's such and old and ineffective stunt. As my mom used to say... "I don't care of so-and-so does it too." The moral there is to stop pushing blame on others.

Trump lies, c***ts and steals and even if Obama did those things too, it still wouldn't validate the behavior or lessen the consequences and besides, Obama isn't the sitting president right now - Trump is.

JoyV

Talking out of the spotlight confidentially is the norm during early negotiations. Unless the parties involved have already come to some understanding, public negotiations are unlikely to accomplish anything. Once an agreement is reached in private, that is the time for the fine details and especially the publishng of the deal is done in the spotlight.

JoyV

Did Obama publicly communicate with Iran before pulling out of the international court over the several lawsuits and countersuits which were underway? Did he publicly agree to plead America as guilty and would pay billions of dollars because the arms the Shah bought were only 80+% delivered, as well as dropping the suit over what they owed for breaking their contract? Did he publicly make the deal to deliver a planeload of cash?

Of course Obama did not only confidential negotiations with a nation who promised to destroy us, and who has repeatedly taken American hostages, and was holding hostages at the time; but even the fact he was talking to them was not revealed. So the fact that he gave them billions of dollars, a planeload of cash, and they had most of the hostages ready to go when the plane landed; IS evidence he tried to hide communications with a foreign leader.

Which of the two is the better man is a matter of opinion. What we can look at is what they accomplish. And what does it have to do with r****m?

And though you repeat the constant assertion that Trump lies, c***ts, and steal; like always with the Trump h**ers, you provide no details or evidence of when he did so.

As for my comparing Trump with Obama, YOU brought up the comparison yourself.

straightUp Loc: California

Perhaps I should point out the difference... when someone says "I'm going to need a minute alone with this gentleman" it's confidential. When someone hides the fact that he even HAD a conversation... THAT is secret.

See the difference?


As far as I know, the Iran nuclear deal didn't involve any secret communications. In fact it was a tremendously, visible and t***sparent, multilateral agreement. You know the kind that takes a true leader to assemble.


That's a pretty cocky attitude. Fact is, it works both ways. We don't fire our missiles either because we know they would fire back and WE aren't that suicidal. That's why they called it the Cold War.

But that was like... 40 years ago. Seriously, why is the right so stuck in the mid-20th century? Russia is a different place now. The Soviet systems were pillaged by a new breed of Russian oligarchs and there is considerable evidence to suggest they are interested in doing the same thing to the American progressive systems.

I can give you an example...

The 2017 Tax Cuts, drastically reduced the revenue feeding our progressive systems (welfare, disability, medicare, unemployment, veterans benefits, etc...) A lot of the money that WAS going to these systems to help Americans in need are now being invested in the stock market where all that diverted money is available to anyone in the world - including Russian oligarchs.


There is no such threat Joy. That's just the Kool-Aid talking. There are no leaders capable of taking us out that have any interest in doing so. Sure there are angry mobs out there burning f**gs and on occasion taking hostages, but these people are not capable of taking us out.

The question you need to ask is why would anyone want to go through the trouble of attacking a nation that is up for sale?


That's a lie.


Yeah, maybe NOW since Trump pulled us out of the treaty so he could replace it with his own then failed to do so because he's an incapable i***t. Now, with no deal at all, Iran has resumed it's program at full throttle with ANY limits OR monitors AND the Persian hatred for America is growing because Trumps r****ded policy is literally starving the people there.

The only thing that could possibly be more i***tic is saying that the limits imposed on Iran's nuclear program were too relaxed so it's better to have no limits at all. Yeah - that makes a lotta sense Joy.

straightUp Loc: California

Indeed, that is the norm. But don't confuse the spotlight for t***sparency. Just because early negotiations aren't in the spotlight doesn't mean they're secret or even confidential. In fact, early negotiations are often handled by teams that report their progress with great detail. The spotlight is just the media rolling in to cover the celebratory signing of the deal, which is what most people wait for.

Something else you're not taking into account (maybe you just don't want to) is the fact that Trump is building a significant reputation for deceit. His constant lies and obstructions from hiding his tax returns onward have left people in a state where they just don't trust him and that plays a lot into this reaction to the whistle-blower.

And that's just one more stone on the pile that makes him unfit for presidency.