Trump Having Secret Conversations With Putin Is A Threat To National Security...PERIOD
The topic has come up, that there are protocols for p**********l discussions with foreign entities, especially adversaries. When Trump was criticized early on for insisting on secrecy, the only defense in his favor was that Obama talked to Putin alone for a few minutes so it was okay.
There are dozens of good reasons why every minute of discussions between the president and adversarial leaders need to be 100% monitored and t***scribed, which they are supposed to be. This prevents a foreign leader from claiming our president said something he did not, promises, commitments, threats, bribes, wh**ever, he needs witnesses.
Trump has had multiple conversations with Putin that he didn't even disclose, we have no idea what was said. Then we have found out about them through Russian press, which is Putin's propaganda machine, Putin says what he wants to say. Trump says conversations were meaningless when we find out about one, then the Russian press makes claims about conversations and involvements that are definitely more than nothing. We can assume that conversations with dictators are conversations with liars who could easily be believed to lie about what the president says. But then we have a president that quite frankly can't be believed for a second when he tries to relay his side of a conversation, which leaves us with a dire need for 100% monitored conversations.
Now we have a whistle blower complaint that is marked urgent, must be dealt with as soon as possible. National security is not a time for obstructing serious complaints that involve national security, disturbing promises made. It is ridiculous to think someone is going to jeopardize their career over something silly, and impossible to believe that the Intelligence Inspector General is going to validate something as urgent that is not. Laws are there for a reason, and those involving national security and the intelligence community are more serious than most.
woodguru wrote:
The topic has come up, that there are protocols for p**********l discussions with foreign entities, especially adversaries. When Trump was criticized early on for insisting on secrecy, the only defense in his favor was that Obama talked to Putin alone for a few minutes so it was okay.
There are dozens of good reasons why every minute of discussions between the president and adversarial leaders need to be 100% monitored and t***scribed, which they are supposed to be. This prevents a foreign leader from claiming our president said something he did not, promises, commitments, threats, bribes, wh**ever, he needs witnesses.
Trump has had multiple conversations with Putin that he didn't even disclose, we have no idea what was said. Then we have found out about them through Russian press, which is Putin's propaganda machine, Putin says what he wants to say. Trump says conversations were meaningless when we find out about one, then the Russian press makes claims about conversations and involvements that are definitely more than nothing. We can assume that conversations with dictators are conversations with liars who could easily be believed to lie about what the president says. But then we have a president that quite frankly can't be believed for a second when he tries to relay his side of a conversation, which leaves us with a dire need for 100% monitored conversations.
Now we have a whistle blower complaint that is marked urgent, must be dealt with as soon as possible. National security is not a time for obstructing serious complaints that involve national security, disturbing promises made. It is ridiculous to think someone is going to jeopardize their career over something silly, and impossible to believe that the Intelligence Inspector General is going to validate something as urgent that is not. Laws are there for a reason, and those involving national security and the intelligence community are more serious than most.
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Said Obama to Medvedev, not knowing his mic was hot: "Tell Vladimir that I'll have more flexibility after the e******n."
How is it that you folks over there on the left seem to have no trouble rationalizing that little exchange, yet find six ways from Sunday to accuse Trump of all manner of Russian collusion without any evidence even remotely approaching that Obama-Medvedev "I'll let Vladimir know" tete a tete?
If I didn't know better (ahem!), I'd think there was either some sort of hypocrisy or political partisanship afoot. 😁
woodguru wrote:
The topic has come up, that there are protocols for p**********l discussions with foreign entities, especially adversaries. When Trump was criticized early on for insisting on secrecy, the only defense in his favor was that Obama talked to Putin alone for a few minutes so it was okay.
There are dozens of good reasons why every minute of discussions between the president and adversarial leaders need to be 100% monitored and t***scribed, which they are supposed to be. This prevents a foreign leader from claiming our president said something he did not, promises, commitments, threats, bribes, wh**ever, he needs witnesses.
Trump has had multiple conversations with Putin that he didn't even disclose, we have no idea what was said. Then we have found out about them through Russian press, which is Putin's propaganda machine, Putin says what he wants to say. Trump says conversations were meaningless when we find out about one, then the Russian press makes claims about conversations and involvements that are definitely more than nothing. We can assume that conversations with dictators are conversations with liars who could easily be believed to lie about what the president says. But then we have a president that quite frankly can't be believed for a second when he tries to relay his side of a conversation, which leaves us with a dire need for 100% monitored conversations.
Now we have a whistle blower complaint that is marked urgent, must be dealt with as soon as possible. National security is not a time for obstructing serious complaints that involve national security, disturbing promises made. It is ridiculous to think someone is going to jeopardize their career over something silly, and impossible to believe that the Intelligence Inspector General is going to validate something as urgent that is not. Laws are there for a reason, and those involving national security and the intelligence community are more serious than most.
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What makes you think he was talking to Putin???...And why if he thought it was so "urgent" he didn't go to CIA or FBI???
woodguru wrote:
The topic has come up, that there are protocols for p**********l discussions with foreign entities, especially adversaries. When Trump was criticized early on for insisting on secrecy, the only defense in his favor was that Obama talked to Putin alone for a few minutes so it was okay.
There are dozens of good reasons why every minute of discussions between the president and adversarial leaders need to be 100% monitored and t***scribed, which they are supposed to be. This prevents a foreign leader from claiming our president said something he did not, promises, commitments, threats, bribes, wh**ever, he needs witnesses.
Trump has had multiple conversations with Putin that he didn't even disclose, we have no idea what was said. Then we have found out about them through Russian press, which is Putin's propaganda machine, Putin says what he wants to say. Trump says conversations were meaningless when we find out about one, then the Russian press makes claims about conversations and involvements that are definitely more than nothing. We can assume that conversations with dictators are conversations with liars who could easily be believed to lie about what the president says. But then we have a president that quite frankly can't be believed for a second when he tries to relay his side of a conversation, which leaves us with a dire need for 100% monitored conversations.
Now we have a whistle blower complaint that is marked urgent, must be dealt with as soon as possible. National security is not a time for obstructing serious complaints that involve national security, disturbing promises made. It is ridiculous to think someone is going to jeopardize their career over something silly, and impossible to believe that the Intelligence Inspector General is going to validate something as urgent that is not. Laws are there for a reason, and those involving national security and the intelligence community are more serious than most.
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Sooner or later the t***h will prevail the trunks were growing broke after one bad deal after another Trump not being the sharpest tack in the Box. Trump was loser until you discovered money laundering. That's when the money started to flow in great quantities into the Trump family coffers. Seems they could buy a condo for a million dollars in a couple of weeks later sell it to a Russian or three or four million these were amazing real estate people.
Just before Justice Kennedy announced his retirement Trump jr Was given a billion dollar loan buy a big German Bank Long suspected money laundering and lo and behold Justice Kennedy's son was the loan officer in that bank I know it's just a coincidence.
I believed the Russians have a whole list of things that could topple the Trump Empire and calls Trump presidency to come to a screeching halt that's why it's dangerous!
I have no problem with our President talking with other leaders as long as binding deals are not made. Free wheeling private conversation can be a good thing to get issues resolved.
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Lonewolf wrote:
Sooner or later the t***h will prevail the trunks were growing broke after one bad deal after another Trump not being the sharpest tack in the Box. Trump was loser until you discovered money laundering. That's when the money started to flow in great quantities into the Trump family coffers. Seems they could buy a condo for a million dollars in a couple of weeks later sell it to a Russian or three or four million these were amazing real estate people.
Just before Justice Kennedy announced his retirement Trump jr Was given a billion dollar loan buy a big German Bank Long suspected money laundering and lo and behold Justice Kennedy's son was the loan officer in that bank I know it's just a coincidence.
I believed the Russians have a whole list of things that could topple the Trump Empire and calls Trump presidency to come to a screeching halt that's why it's dangerous!
Sooner or later the t***h will prevail the trunks ... (
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Boy you need some mental health evaluation asap you're going over the deep end !
Since you're such a great power to know who makes loans to which people tell me what bank has been loaning me my money over the last 50 plus years and have they been known to launder money ?
From what you say I'm sure you have the ability to know all about my finances I'd like to know just how good you are at making these claims !
woodguru wrote:
The topic has come up, that there are protocols for p**********l discussions with foreign entities, especially adversaries. When Trump was criticized early on for insisting on secrecy, the only defense in his favor was that Obama talked to Putin alone for a few minutes so it was okay.
There are dozens of good reasons why every minute of discussions between the president and adversarial leaders need to be 100% monitored and t***scribed, which they are supposed to be. This prevents a foreign leader from claiming our president said something he did not, promises, commitments, threats, bribes, wh**ever, he needs witnesses.
Trump has had multiple conversations with Putin that he didn't even disclose, we have no idea what was said. Then we have found out about them through Russian press, which is Putin's propaganda machine, Putin says what he wants to say. Trump says conversations were meaningless when we find out about one, then the Russian press makes claims about conversations and involvements that are definitely more than nothing. We can assume that conversations with dictators are conversations with liars who could easily be believed to lie about what the president says. But then we have a president that quite frankly can't be believed for a second when he tries to relay his side of a conversation, which leaves us with a dire need for 100% monitored conversations.
Now we have a whistle blower complaint that is marked urgent, must be dealt with as soon as possible. National security is not a time for obstructing serious complaints that involve national security, disturbing promises made. It is ridiculous to think someone is going to jeopardize their career over something silly, and impossible to believe that the Intelligence Inspector General is going to validate something as urgent that is not. Laws are there for a reason, and those involving national security and the intelligence community are more serious than most.
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"Trump Having Secret Conversations With Putin Is A Threat To National Security...PERIOD"
Not yours my friend or mine...
...but Brennan's national security...
...McCabe's, Comey's, Strzok's, Clapper's, Page's, Ohrs' *, Bidens', Frankenfeinstein's, Pelosi's, Newsome's...
…Klintons', Bushs', Obama's…They're right in a way...Trump having conversations with ANY people they had conversations with is a DIRE threat to THEIR national security!
*note plural possessives
Lonewolf wrote:
Sooner or later the t***h will prevail the trunks were growing broke after one bad deal after another Trump not being the sharpest tack in the Box. Trump was loser until you discovered money laundering. That's when the money started to flow in great quantities into the Trump family coffers. Seems they could buy a condo for a million dollars in a couple of weeks later sell it to a Russian or three or four million these were amazing real estate people.
Just before Justice Kennedy announced his retirement Trump jr Was given a billion dollar loan buy a big German Bank Long suspected money laundering and lo and behold Justice Kennedy's son was the loan officer in that bank I know it's just a coincidence.
I believed the Russians have a whole list of things that could topple the Trump Empire and calls Trump presidency to come to a screeching halt that's why it's dangerous!
Sooner or later the t***h will prevail the trunks ... (
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You need some of what
I'm smokin'!
It'll logic you right up.
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
I have no problem with our President talking with other leaders as long as binding deals are not made. Free wheeling private conversation can be a good thing to get issues resolved.
Sorry, Pal, but Democrats don't see it that way, unless of course it is they who are doing the talking to the world leaders.
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
I have no problem with our President talking with other leaders as long as binding deals are not made. Free wheeling private conversation can be a good thing to get issues resolved.
Indeed...and since it's unavoidable unless the job description is changed everyone who doesn't like it needs to go...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_PoTOzrYEk
woodguru wrote:
The topic has come up, that there are protocols for p**********l discussions with foreign entities, especially adversaries. When Trump was criticized early on for insisting on secrecy, the only defense in his favor was that Obama talked to Putin alone for a few minutes so it was okay.
There are dozens of good reasons why every minute of discussions between the president and adversarial leaders need to be 100% monitored and t***scribed, which they are supposed to be. This prevents a foreign leader from claiming our president said something he did not, promises, commitments, threats, bribes, wh**ever, he needs witnesses.
Trump has had multiple conversations with Putin that he didn't even disclose, we have no idea what was said. Then we have found out about them through Russian press, which is Putin's propaganda machine, Putin says what he wants to say. Trump says conversations were meaningless when we find out about one, then the Russian press makes claims about conversations and involvements that are definitely more than nothing. We can assume that conversations with dictators are conversations with liars who could easily be believed to lie about what the president says. But then we have a president that quite frankly can't be believed for a second when he tries to relay his side of a conversation, which leaves us with a dire need for 100% monitored conversations.
Now we have a whistle blower complaint that is marked urgent, must be dealt with as soon as possible. National security is not a time for obstructing serious complaints that involve national security, disturbing promises made. It is ridiculous to think someone is going to jeopardize their career over something silly, and impossible to believe that the Intelligence Inspector General is going to validate something as urgent that is not. Laws are there for a reason, and those involving national security and the intelligence community are more serious than most.
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Foreign leaders can and do claim anything they think will serve their purpose. Why do you think a witness would stop the c****es from claiming wh**ever they wanted? Obama's short but revealing conversation with Medvedev led nowhere even though it was overheard by millions of people.
woodguru wrote:
The topic has come up, that there are protocols for p**********l discussions with foreign entities, especially adversaries. When Trump was criticized early on for insisting on secrecy, the only defense in his favor was that Obama talked to Putin alone for a few minutes so it was okay.
There are dozens of good reasons why every minute of discussions between the president and adversarial leaders need to be 100% monitored and t***scribed, which they are supposed to be. This prevents a foreign leader from claiming our president said something he did not, promises, commitments, threats, bribes, wh**ever, he needs witnesses.
Trump has had multiple conversations with Putin that he didn't even disclose, we have no idea what was said. Then we have found out about them through Russian press, which is Putin's propaganda machine, Putin says what he wants to say. Trump says conversations were meaningless when we find out about one, then the Russian press makes claims about conversations and involvements that are definitely more than nothing. We can assume that conversations with dictators are conversations with liars who could easily be believed to lie about what the president says. But then we have a president that quite frankly can't be believed for a second when he tries to relay his side of a conversation, which leaves us with a dire need for 100% monitored conversations.
Now we have a whistle blower complaint that is marked urgent, must be dealt with as soon as possible. National security is not a time for obstructing serious complaints that involve national security, disturbing promises made. It is ridiculous to think someone is going to jeopardize their career over something silly, and impossible to believe that the Intelligence Inspector General is going to validate something as urgent that is not. Laws are there for a reason, and those involving national security and the intelligence community are more serious than most.
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If that's true then it's true for any other country PERIOD.
Seth wrote:
Said Obama to Medvedev, not knowing his mic was hot: "Tell Vladimir that I'll have more flexibility after the e******n."
How is it that you folks over there on the left seem to have no trouble rationalizing that little exchange, yet find six ways from Sunday to accuse Trump of all manner of Russian collusion without any evidence even remotely approaching that Obama-Medvedev "I'll let Vladimir know" tete a tete?
If I didn't know better (ahem!), I'd think there was either some sort of hypocrisy or political partisanship afoot. 😁
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Obama was not friends with Putin, in fact it is really safe to say that Obama policies were destroying Russia's economy. focus on what Trump is doing, Obama is past history and there is no comparing Obama to Trump. Mr "Putin strongly denies it" Donald.
crazylibertarian wrote:
If that's true then it's true for any other country PERIOD.
You are right, I happen to think neither Trump, Kushner, or Ivanka can be trusted not to work banana republic deals like Kushner did when he pressured Qatar into a loan on an "investment" that was way over leveraged to where Qatar was right to refuse it twice before being pressured by political blockades with the Saudi's. Or providing the Prince with intelligence on those allied with the Prince in succession for a c**p on the prince apparent.
Yes, Trump and any of the people involved in state business should have envoys of the ambassadors and state officials involved.
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